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I have your gold medal Zippy!
He meshed really well with Tomas Kaberle (that no doubt played a part in how he played).
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sting101
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I viewed that deal as a huge win for the Flames the minute it was made
Hamilton has always been a #1 defenseman on paper but he just never seems to rise to the occasion or fit in with a teams core to the point where he's a difference maker. If he's your guy your not gonna be a legit contender
Fox was never going to sign with the Flames so what do you do when he's about to walk to UFA and what is the expected return?
Ferland was a 3rd liner
Hamilton has always been a #1 defenseman on paper but he just never seems to rise to the occasion or fit in with a teams core to the point where he's a difference maker. If he's your guy your not gonna be a legit contender
Fox was never going to sign with the Flames so what do you do when he's about to walk to UFA and what is the expected return?
Ferland was a 3rd liner
It doesn't work like that. Just look what happened after the bubble season, and then lost Tanev and Marky. Players would quit on the team, then want out.
He would have been a top 4 staple here. We probably would have loved him for many years as long as he was on a good contract.
I would distinguish between wanting out, not wanting to commit long term to the team, and quitting on the team. One does not equal the other.
shottasasa
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I believe it was very widely reported that they were in trade talks right up until draft and possibly for a couple weeks after it. Im not sure why you thought they had stopped trying at the trade deadline. They certainly had a high price for Milker, as they should have.
And the poor market is absolutely relevant for any armchair prognostications about what they should have done. The flat cap has made things tough to trade.
shottasasa
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I like Boeser quite a bit but that previous contract, arb eligibility, and high QO made it tough to extract value in a trade. Especially in the flat cap era where more teams than usual are capped out.
shottasasa
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The problem is that there aren’t many teams in a position to make a good offer for a top line player given that most of the teams are capped out, even though they’re middle of the pack. Supply far out ripped demand, hence the reason Pacioretty gets traded for peanuts. Also, Fiala was coming off of 33goal 85point season and only returned a pick and a prospect.
Horvat and Miller may have gotten that but I’m not sure that’s enough to go in a full rebuild. Management would have to sell a full rebuild to the likes of Pettersson, Hughes, and Demko if they want them to stick around. I suspect they’d need to show a decent haul in return for trading three of their best players to make a convincing argument that they could rebuild reasonably quickly.
Bottom line is that the Canucks are kind of stuck in no man’s land this summer partly if their own making and partly due to circumstances.
I was onboard with trading one or two high end pieces to perhaps take a step back in order to fix glaring issues on blue line, restock the prospect pool, and give them some cap flexibility. But clearly the price wasn’t there to make it all work under the premise that the front office tried to make some trades, which I believe was true through most of the summer.
Hit the post
I have your gold medal Zippy!
Oh to be sure, I'm still a fan of Boeser. You want those type of characters (both on & off the ice). It's just that he's being paid on potential right now (with term). That's a fair amount of risk (JR seemed to be put in a no-win situation with respect to Boeser's QO - another great landmine left by the previous management).
shottasasa
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Yeah, mostly agree here, it was a tough situation which made signing a short term contract one of the only viable solutions, and even that carries risk. If Boeser stays mostly healthy after this surgery he should be a good two way top line winger that scores 30+ goals and 65+ points, which is worth that contract AVV. Staying healthy is the crux of it though and he’s had yet another preseason injury…
krutovsdonut
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it sure hurt to move him, and it was a pretty gutsy call to trade him for two chubby swedish guys that didn't truly pay off until two gms later.
krutovsdonut
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i saw them up close in tshirts and shorts during their draft summer. not saying they were fat but they were carrying a layer of baby fat. when i met them later it was like they had shrunk.
i saw them up close in tshirts and shorts during their draft summer. not saying they were fat but they were carrying a layer of baby fat. when i met them later it was like they had shrunk.
I just don't see it. Hank always had a larger forehead but I've never heard anyone ever refer to them as chubby.
krutovsdonut
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Good trade, got a decent depth defenceman with good size plus some much needed cap space. A little bit of wiggle room is always good as it gives management more options and flexibility.
PuckMunchkin
Very Nice, Very Evil!
PuckMunchkin
Very Nice, Very Evil!
