He is pumping Jimbo;s tires for getting Dickinson. It's obvious what he is doing.
Confirmed with Link: Canucks sign F Jason Dickinson to 3-Year, $7.95M Deal ($2.65M AAV)
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Dickinson is basically what we hoped Gaunce could have been if he wasn't going to develop into a 2nd line C. And we had hoped Gaudette could be that 3rd line scoring C. Those Gs...
Generally speaking, those high quality 3rd line Cs are usually drafted in the first three rounds (not that you couldn't draft them later). Dickinson himself is a former 1st round pick. So is Dallas' 3C - Faksa. Heck, McCann, who would look really good as the team's 3C right now is a former 1st round pick. Previously, we had Madden projected there and he was a 3rd round pick. So ya, the Canucks need to first draft Cs. Drafting Tyler Madden types in the 3rd round is exactly what the Canucks should be looking at. Heck, even Carson Focht types in the late rounds.
Should bookmark predictions like this and circle back and see how accurate predictions are with support/opposition of management.
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Who are his wingers listed as for those games at C? Because if it's Benn, Benn was taking faceoffs and at best Dickinson could be described as a semi-C for those games. I don't know if Benn was fully at C in open play or they were switching up.
As I've said, he spent a surprising amount of time (relative to his production) next to Benn and Pavelski. He was basically never used in a shutdown role - that was Faksa's line and Dickinson almost never played on the wing with Faksa.
According to this website here's Dickinson's various line combos last season.
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| 1 | 140:57 | 19.2 | JAMIE BENN - JASON DICKINSON - DENIS GURIANOV | 7 | 3 | 4 | 71 | 57 | 55.5 | 143 | 111 | 56.3 |
| 2 | 106:59 | 14.6 | ANDREW COGLIANO - BLAKE COMEAU - JASON DICKINSON | 2 | 2 | 0 | 68 | 33 | 67.3 | 111 | 75 | 59.7 |
| 3 | 49:19 | 6.7 | JOE PAVELSKI - JASON DICKINSON - JASON ROBERTSON | 4 | 3 | 1 | 32 | 11 | 74.4 | 61 | 26 | 70.1 |
| 4 | 35:09 | 4.8 | JASON DICKINSON - DENIS GURIANOV - ROOPE HINTZ | 0 | 3 | -3 | 9 | 17 | 34.6 | 30 | 30 | 50.0 |
| 5 | 34:27 | 4.7 | JASON DICKINSON - DENIS GURIANOV - JASON ROBERTSON | 0 | 3 | -3 | 20 | 17 | 54.1 | 32 | 24 | 57.1 |
| 6 | 32:43 | 4.5 | JOE PAVELSKI - JASON DICKINSON - JOEL KIVIRANTA | 0 | 3 | -3 | 16 | 20 | 44.4 | 30 | 31 | 49.2 |
| 7 | 22:46 | 3.1 | JOE PAVELSKI - JAMIE BENN - JASON DICKINSON | 1 | 0 | 1 | 8 | 3 | 72.7 | 24 | 9 | 72.7 |
| 8 | 21:55 | 3.0 | JASON DICKINSON - JUSTIN DOWLING - DENIS GURIANOV | 2 | 0 | 2 | 11 | 5 | 68.8 | 19 | 11 | 63.3 |
| 9 | 15:38 | 2.1 | RADEK FAKSA - JASON DICKINSON - TY DELLANDREA | 1 | 0 | 1 | 7 | 7 | 50.0 | 15 | 13 | 53.6 |
| 10 | 14:53 | 2.0 | JASON DICKINSON - NICK CAAMANO - TY DELLANDREA | 1 | 0 | 1 | 7 | 3 | 70.0 | 11 | 11 | 50.0 |
To go further, here's the faceoff stats for the Stars.
Faksa - 760
Pavelski - 696
Benn - 478
Hintz - 469
Dickinson - 297
Dickinson took, by far, the least amount of faceoffs for a regular centre. Whether that's because he's bad at faceoffs and deferred, like Miller and Pettersson, or he was really a winger and Benn played centre. No real way to know that without going back watching the actual games.
Faksa - 760
Pavelski - 696
Benn - 478
Hintz - 469
Dickinson - 297
Dickinson took, by far, the least amount of faceoffs for a regular centre. Whether that's because he's bad at faceoffs and deferred, like Miller and Pettersson, or he was really a winger and Benn played centre. No real way to know that without going back watching the actual games.
It's a great resource, but a lot of those seem positionally off.
For (1), Benn was taking the faceoffs if not fully playing C at all times. For (2), Comeau is primarily a winger and I'd be surprised if he was playing C over Dickinson on that line. Reverse is true with (3) and Pavelski and definitely with (9) and Faksa.
Yeah that's why I followed up with the actual faceoff stats. Basically, Dickinson took the 5th most faceoffs but people he was frequently linemates with (Benn and Pavelski) took far more faceoffs than he did. The only way to know if this is a Miller-Pettersson situation or his most common position was as a winger is by watching game tapes.
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For sure.
Pavelski is a C and has always been a C and is their top player and appears to be playing fully C for his other line combos, so I'd be surprised if Dickinson was shifting in for him. Benn has always been more of a hybrid so that's possible.
Regardless, back to the main thrust of the issue : Dickinson was not playing shutdown C minutes for that team. That was Faksa and Faksa's line.
This reminds me of the discussion when we first acquired Bonino except we were talking about Bonino's ability to be a 2C.
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I know Dickinson was picked up for his defensive zone work, penalty killing and faceoffs. But if he's going to play third line center for the Canucks, he has to find a way to generate more offense than he has so far in his career.
Frankly, it's tiring to watch a team with two decent lines, and then see the offense just fall off a cliff once the third and fourth lines are out there.
It's almost enough to make you wish the Canucks would go 'all in' on goals and points, by playing Horvat, Pettersson, Miller and maybe even Petan down the middle with a variety of wingers. Go for it, with four lines that are least capable of putting up points.
I get the fact that you'd probably bleed scoring chances in your own zone....but damn it would be more entertaining.
Frankly, it's tiring to watch a team with two decent lines, and then see the offense just fall off a cliff once the third and fourth lines are out there.
It's almost enough to make you wish the Canucks would go 'all in' on goals and points, by playing Horvat, Pettersson, Miller and maybe even Petan down the middle with a variety of wingers. Go for it, with four lines that are least capable of putting up points.
I get the fact that you'd probably bleed scoring chances in your own zone....but damn it would be more entertaining.
It will be the same thing as Sutter.
If you're playing 3rd line wing, you can get away with being offensively limited if you're with a quality #3 C. But if you're the 3rd line C and the offensive production of that line revolves around you, it becomes a major issue if you can't carry production for that line.
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8 game sample size for his whole career.
Dickinson didn't even take most faceoffs (6-7/game in most games).
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It's amazing to see people still ok with having offensive blackholes centering the bottom 2 lines when we've seen multiple cup winners in the past decade have gone with skill across 4 lines.
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Absolutely.
Although to be fair to the team, they appear to be leaving Miller at C and Dickinson will be playing 3rd line wing or 4th line C.
That said, that now creates a different issue where we're paying $2.7 million for a 4th line C and this is basically just a younger overpaid Beagle in that role.
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Good game by Dickenson last night...good rangy skater, and had some abrasiveness to his game...
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