Confirmed with Link: Canucks sign F Jason Dickinson to 3-Year, $7.95M Deal ($2.65M AAV)

[BrilliantBroReferee]

Uhhhhhhh ....

Dickinson has averaged 9.84 goals/season in his 3 years as an NHL regular.

He's going to get zero PP time so you're projecting 15-20 ES goals for him from bottom-6 minutes. As a point of comparison, Bo Horvat has averaged 14 ES goals/82 GP over his career. JT Miller has scored at an 18 ESG/82 GP pace as a Vancouver Canuck.

Last year, Brock Boeser easily led the team by scoring at a 20 ESG/82 GP pace.

He is pumping Jimbo;s tires for getting Dickinson. It's obvious what he is doing.

 

[Nucker101]

He is pumping Jimbo;s tires for getting Dickinson. It's obvious what he is doing.

At least do it realistically then lol

 

[F A N]

This guy is a pretty vanilla/safe player, I think you can find those types at lesser cap hits with some good pro scouting and/or by having a deeper prospect pool, sadly the Canucks fall flat on their face in both areas. He's not going to be an albatross contract by any means, but I feel like it's another one of those small overpays that end up adding up, especially when you do have albatross contracts like OEL/Myers and other overpays like Pearson already to deal with.

Dickinson is basically what we hoped Gaunce could have been if he wasn't going to develop into a 2nd line C. And we had hoped Gaudette could be that 3rd line scoring C. Those Gs...

Generally speaking, those high quality 3rd line Cs are usually drafted in the first three rounds (not that you couldn't draft them later). Dickinson himself is a former 1st round pick. So is Dallas' 3C - Faksa. Heck, McCann, who would look really good as the team's 3C right now is a former 1st round pick. Previously, we had Madden projected there and he was a 3rd round pick. So ya, the Canucks need to first draft Cs. Drafting Tyler Madden types in the 3rd round is exactly what the Canucks should be looking at. Heck, even Carson Focht types in the late rounds.

 

[MarkMM]

I would have a better idea if I saw him play as a Canuck in a competitive game. Maybe end of pre-season so I can see potential linemates. He's good for 15-20 goals though I bet by end of 82 games.

Should bookmark predictions like this and circle back and see how accurate predictions are with support/opposition of management.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

His faceoff #s are very low and his TOIs with linemates have been presented here many pages back.

He played a huge chunk of time with Benn or Pavelski and wasn't playing C with those guys.

Faksa is their #3C who is the team's faceoffs leader and plays the high-leverage defensive minutes with huge D-zone starts. He's about the most locked-in, stereotypical #3C in the NHL in terms of usage.

Looking through Dallas' GDT's from last season ..out of the 26 games where the lineups are listed pre game..Dickenson plays C on 17 of those...9 on the wing.

He only played 3C four times..and 1 C eight times...It also appears that he played more in the top 6 than the bottom 6.

 

[MS]

Looking through Dallas' GDT's from last season ..out of the 26 games where the lineups are listed pre game..Dickenson plays C on 17 of those...9 on the wing.

He only played 3C four times..and 1 C eight times...It also appears that he played more in the top 6 than the bottom 6.

Who are his wingers listed as for those games at C? Because if it's Benn, Benn was taking faceoffs and at best Dickinson could be described as a semi-C for those games. I don't know if Benn was fully at C in open play or they were switching up.

As I've said, he spent a surprising amount of time (relative to his production) next to Benn and Pavelski. He was basically never used in a shutdown role - that was Faksa's line and Dickinson almost never played on the wing with Faksa.

 

[Vector]

According to this website here's Dickinson's various line combos last season.

1	140:57	19.2	JAMIE BENN - JASON DICKINSON - DENIS GURIANOV	7	3	4	71	57	55.5	143	111	56.3
2	106:59	14.6	ANDREW COGLIANO - BLAKE COMEAU - JASON DICKINSON	2	2	0	68	33	67.3	111	75	59.7
3	49:19	6.7	JOE PAVELSKI - JASON DICKINSON - JASON ROBERTSON	4	3	1	32	11	74.4	61	26	70.1
4	35:09	4.8	JASON DICKINSON - DENIS GURIANOV - ROOPE HINTZ	0	3	-3	9	17	34.6	30	30	50.0
5	34:27	4.7	JASON DICKINSON - DENIS GURIANOV - JASON ROBERTSON	0	3	-3	20	17	54.1	32	24	57.1
6	32:43	4.5	JOE PAVELSKI - JASON DICKINSON - JOEL KIVIRANTA	0	3	-3	16	20	44.4	30	31	49.2
7	22:46	3.1	JOE PAVELSKI - JAMIE BENN - JASON DICKINSON	1	0	1	8	3	72.7	24	9	72.7
8	21:55	3.0	JASON DICKINSON - JUSTIN DOWLING - DENIS GURIANOV	2	0	2	11	5	68.8	19	11	63.3
9	15:38	2.1	RADEK FAKSA - JASON DICKINSON - TY DELLANDREA	1	0	1	7	7	50.0	15	13	53.6
10	14:53	2.0	JASON DICKINSON - NICK CAAMANO - TY DELLANDREA	1	0	1	7	3	70.0	11	11	50.0

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[Vector]

To go further, here's the faceoff stats for the Stars.

Faksa - 760
Pavelski - 696
Benn - 478
Hintz - 469
Dickinson - 297

Dickinson took, by far, the least amount of faceoffs for a regular centre. Whether that's because he's bad at faceoffs and deferred, like Miller and Pettersson, or he was really a winger and Benn played centre. No real way to know that without going back watching the actual games.

 

[MS]

According to this website here's Dickinson's various line combos last season.

1	140:57	19.2	JAMIE BENN - JASON DICKINSON - DENIS GURIANOV	7	3	4	71	57	55.5	143	111	56.3
2	106:59	14.6	ANDREW COGLIANO - BLAKE COMEAU - JASON DICKINSON	2	2	0	68	33	67.3	111	75	59.7
3	49:19	6.7	JOE PAVELSKI - JASON DICKINSON - JASON ROBERTSON	4	3	1	32	11	74.4	61	26	70.1
4	35:09	4.8	JASON DICKINSON - DENIS GURIANOV - ROOPE HINTZ	0	3	-3	9	17	34.6	30	30	50.0
5	34:27	4.7	JASON DICKINSON - DENIS GURIANOV - JASON ROBERTSON	0	3	-3	20	17	54.1	32	24	57.1
6	32:43	4.5	JOE PAVELSKI - JASON DICKINSON - JOEL KIVIRANTA	0	3	-3	16	20	44.4	30	31	49.2
7	22:46	3.1	JOE PAVELSKI - JAMIE BENN - JASON DICKINSON	1	0	1	8	3	72.7	24	9	72.7
8	21:55	3.0	JASON DICKINSON - JUSTIN DOWLING - DENIS GURIANOV	2	0	2	11	5	68.8	19	11	63.3
9	15:38	2.1	RADEK FAKSA - JASON DICKINSON - TY DELLANDREA	1	0	1	7	7	50.0	15	13	53.6
10	14:53	2.0	JASON DICKINSON - NICK CAAMANO - TY DELLANDREA	1	0	1	7	3	70.0	11	11	50.0

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It's a great resource, but a lot of those seem positionally off.

For (1), Benn was taking the faceoffs if not fully playing C at all times. For (2), Comeau is primarily a winger and I'd be surprised if he was playing C over Dickinson on that line. Reverse is true with (3) and Pavelski and definitely with (9) and Faksa.

 

[Vector]

It's a great resource, but a lot of those seem positionally off.

For (1), Benn was taking the faceoffs if not fully playing C at all times. For (2), Comeau is primarily a winger and I'd be surprised if he was playing C over Dickinson on that line. Reverse is true with (3) and Pavelski and definitely with (9) and Faksa.

Yeah that's why I followed up with the actual faceoff stats. Basically, Dickinson took the 5th most faceoffs but people he was frequently linemates with (Benn and Pavelski) took far more faceoffs than he did. The only way to know if this is a Miller-Pettersson situation or his most common position was as a winger is by watching game tapes.

 

[Hit the post]

Yeah that's why I followed up with the actual faceoff stats. Basically, Dickinson took the 5th most faceoffs but people he was frequently linemates with (Benn and Pavelski) took far more faceoffs than he did. The only way to know if this is a Miller-Pettersson situation or his most common position was as a winger is by watching game tapes.

I'd rather even listen to St Anger a million times.

 

[MS]

Yeah that's why I followed up with the actual faceoff stats. Basically, Dickinson took the 5th most faceoffs but people he was frequently linemates with (Benn and Pavelski) took far more faceoffs than he did. The only way to know if this is a Miller-Pettersson situation or his most common position was as a winger is by watching game tapes.

For sure.

Pavelski is a C and has always been a C and is their top player and appears to be playing fully C for his other line combos, so I'd be surprised if Dickinson was shifting in for him. Benn has always been more of a hybrid so that's possible.

Regardless, back to the main thrust of the issue : Dickinson was not playing shutdown C minutes for that team. That was Faksa and Faksa's line.

 

[F A N]

This reminds me of the discussion when we first acquired Bonino except we were talking about Bonino's ability to be a 2C.

 

[Melvin]

It's a great resource, but a lot of those seem positionally off.

For (1), Benn was taking the faceoffs if not fully playing C at all times. For (2), Comeau is primarily a winger and I'd be surprised if he was playing C over Dickinson on that line. Reverse is true with (3) and Pavelski and definitely with (9) and Faksa.

i don’t think that site claims that the combo is in any particular “order” (l-c-r.)

I don’t even know how to get that from the nhl API, if it’s even possible.

 

[bandwagonesque]

For sure.

Pavelski is a C and has always been a C and is their top player and appears to be playing fully C for his other line combos, so I'd be surprised if Dickinson was shifting in for him. Benn has always been more of a hybrid so that's possible.

Regardless, back to the main thrust of the issue : Dickinson was not playing shutdown C minutes for that team. That was Faksa and Faksa's line.

Dickinson did play 3rd line shutdown C minutes in the highest-leverage games the Stars played in 2019-2020, beginning in game 4 of the WCF, and was universally praised for his play in that role.

 

[MS]

Dickinson did play 3rd line shutdown C minutes in the highest-leverage games the Stars played in 2019-2020, beginning in game 4 of the WCF, and was universally praised for his play in that role.

Small sample size song - YouTube

 

[VanJack]

I know Dickinson was picked up for his defensive zone work, penalty killing and faceoffs. But if he's going to play third line center for the Canucks, he has to find a way to generate more offense than he has so far in his career.

Frankly, it's tiring to watch a team with two decent lines, and then see the offense just fall off a cliff once the third and fourth lines are out there.

It's almost enough to make you wish the Canucks would go 'all in' on goals and points, by playing Horvat, Pettersson, Miller and maybe even Petan down the middle with a variety of wingers. Go for it, with four lines that are least capable of putting up points.

I get the fact that you'd probably bleed scoring chances in your own zone....but damn it would be more entertaining.

 

[MS]

I know Dickinson was picked up for his defensive zone work, penalty killing and faceoffs. But if he's going to play third line center for the Canucks, he has to find a way to generate more offense than he has so far in his career.

Frankly, it's tiring to watch a team with two decent lines, and then see the offense just fall off a cliff once the third and fourth lines are out there.

It's almost enough to make you wish the Canucks would go 'all in' on goals and points, by playing Horvat, Pettersson, Miller and maybe even Petan down the middle with a variety of wingers. Go for it, with four lines that are least capable of putting up points.

I get the fact that you'd probably bleed scoring chances in your own zone....but damn it would be more entertaining.

It will be the same thing as Sutter.

If you're playing 3rd line wing, you can get away with being offensively limited if you're with a quality #3 C. But if you're the 3rd line C and the offensive production of that line revolves around you, it becomes a major issue if you can't carry production for that line.

 

[bandwagonesque]

Small sample size song - YouTube

There's no equivalent song on Youtube for selectively excluding or dismissing details that undermine your argument, so we'll have to leave it here.

 

[bandwagonesque]

Small sample size song - YouTube

Oh wait -- it was in the bubble too. Never mind, his play wasn't characteristic of him.

 

[MS]

There's no equivalent song on Youtube for selectively excluding or dismissing details that undermine your argument, so we'll have to leave it here.

Oh wait -- it was in the bubble too. Never mind, his play wasn't characteristic of him.

8 game sample size for his whole career.

Dickinson didn't even take most faceoffs (6-7/game in most games).

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

It's amazing to see people still ok with having offensive blackholes centering the bottom 2 lines when we've seen multiple cup winners in the past decade have gone with skill across 4 lines.

 

[MS]

It's amazing to see people still ok with having offensive blackholes centering the bottom 2 lines when we've seen multiple cup winners in the past decade have gone with skill across 4 lines.

Absolutely.

Although to be fair to the team, they appear to be leaving Miller at C and Dickinson will be playing 3rd line wing or 4th line C.

That said, that now creates a different issue where we're paying $2.7 million for a 4th line C and this is basically just a younger overpaid Beagle in that role.

 

[Hit the post]

Absolutely.

Although to be fair to the team, they appear to be leaving Miller at C and Dickinson will be playing 3rd line wing or 4th line C.

That said, that now creates a different issue where we're paying $2.7 million for a 4th line C and this is basically just a younger overpaid Beagle in that role.

How a 4th liner got a NTC bewildered me. I mean he was paid a premium AND got term.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Good game by Dickenson last night...good rangy skater, and had some abrasiveness to his game...