Confirmed with Link: Canucks sign D Tyler Myers to 5-Year, $30m Deal ($6m AAV)

[Zippgunn]

'Another' is not the same word as 'anything'. Why twist it to this, then complain about something you fabricated?

I'm betting there isn't a move Benning has made that old Bobby likes...

 

[Hit the post]

Benn is a bottom pairing dmen.

He's alright in that role. Sure as heck better than giving up a top six forward + high 2nd round pick for a #6 D (and pay him $4 million on a multi-year deal) like Guds. Hey, Benning is improving! He's learning on the job!

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

IF Aquilini is actually micro-managing, then this would explain why the Canuck front shop is so small..."we spend to the cap and we do not need more costs for extra hockey execs." It probably took a lot of lobbying for an analytics position to be approved. Recently, Scott Walker and 3 scouts left the organization. If they are not replaced, then it also implies that they are cutting costs there too.

Cost-saving probably has something to do with it but I think for the most part what we are witnessing is Mr Aquilini feeling confident in his own hockey management proficiency. As he masters the roles formerly occupied by Gilman, Henning, Linden etc he continues to expand his hockey department portfolio taking on the responsibilities of Walker and others. The expert opinion of his confidant Benning and certain key senior alumni that he feels comfortable with like Delorme and Smyl is all the hockey department that a polymath like Mr Aquilini requires.

God help us.

 

[Bobby Digital]

Right so basically in your opinion anything Benning does is horrible...

So because I disliked the Myers signing and Miller trades you come to that conclusion?

Benning is a terrible GM but I don't blindly hate him. Check my post history. Pettersson, Podkolzin, Hughes, Boeser picks I applauded as soon as they were made. Trading Bieksa and Burrows when he did I applauded.

Sadly there just haven't been that many good moves to cheer about. That's why we're in the mess we're in.

 

[Hit the post]

So because I disliked the Myers and Miller trades you come to that conclusion?

Benning is a terrible GM but I don't blindly hate him. Check my post history. Pettersson, Podkolzin, Hughes, Boeser picks I applauded as soon as they were made. Trading Bieksa and Burrows when he did I applauded.

Sadly there just haven't been that many good moves to cheer about. That's why we're in the mess we're in.

Getting a 2nd for Garrison was pretty solid (as he had a NTC and a bad groin). You can debate what he did with that asset acquired (or the cap space free'd up - eg., Pizza man!) but that's another issue.

 

[tyhee]

Right so basically in your opinion anything Benning does is horrible...

This followed Bobby Digital criticizing two Benning moves, Myers and Miller. Those criticisms of two moves caused you to conclude that he thinks anything Benning does is horrible.

By that "reasoning" anyone who criticizes two Benning moves-say, the Eriksson signing and the trade for Gudbranson-thinks anything Benning does is horrible. Your reasoning makes no sense and pretty much destroys your credibility.

If you want to accuse him of thinking everything Benning does is horrible you need to look at a lot more than two moves, because your statement fails if there is even one Benning move that you can't show BD considered horrible.

Do you have anything showing he considered the Pettersson and Boeser picks or the Benn signing horrible?

I didn't think so.

 

[Askel]

Myers isnt being paid $11.5 M,and he's not even a first pairing defensemen...I wasn't saying that Myers was equal to EK, just stating that a lot of offensive D-men have defensive issues.

You dont like the contract....Which always begs the question..Who would you have signed /traded to improve the Canucks defence this season?

But 6 million is first pairing money, Myers is overpaid. Karlsson is one of the best players in the league. I would rather pay Karlsson 12 million than Myers 6. You pay for good players not for crap. This team is tight to the cap because they overpay for bad/mediocre players.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

But 6 million is first pairing money, Myers is overpaid. Karlsson is one of the best players in the league. I would rather pay Karlsson 12 million than Myers 6. You pay for good players not for crap. This team is tight to the cap because they overpay for bad/mediocre players.

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[PuckMunchkin]

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Dont sign him then.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

He's alright in that role. Sure as heck better than giving up a top six forward + high 2nd round pick for a #6 D (and pay him $4 million on a multi-year deal) like Guds. Hey, Benning is improving! He's learning on the job!

If Jared McCann is your 2C..you're not going very far.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Dont sign him then.

Inactivity isn't the answer (unless you're expecting the same results), and neither are the players you listed a while back..Playing the left side, having no offensive ability, or being a marginal NHL player does not improve this defence (which is starved for offence).

Has Jim Benning improved the D over last season.?...yes....

 

[F A N]

But 6 million is first pairing money, Myers is overpaid. Karlsson is one of the best players in the league. I would rather pay Karlsson 12 million than Myers 6. You pay for good players not for crap. This team is tight to the cap because they overpay for bad/mediocre players.

You don't want to overpay for players but you also need players. That's the balance.

I would rather pay $12.5M for McDavid than whatever the Canucks will end up paying Boeser. But it isn't a choice is it?

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Inactivity isn't the answer (unless you're expecting the same results), and neither are the players you listed a while back..Playing the left side, having no offensive ability, or being a marginal NHL player does not improve this defence (which is starved for offence).

Has Jim Benning improved the D over last season.?...yes....

What will it take for you to admit that the Myers signing was a mistake?

Im sure you are able to now admit that Loui Eriksson signing was a mistake and set us back long term, right?

edit. Activity for the sake of activity is not constructive.

 

[Askel]

You don't want to overpay for players but you also need players. That's the balance.

I would rather pay $12.5M for McDavid than whatever the Canucks will end up paying Boeser. But it isn't a choice is it?

There was other options than signing Myers for 6 millions, Miller, Jokiharju, Subban, Barrie where moved. Both Buffalo and Columbus has more d-men than they need. There were better options. Signing Myers is bad. So was signing Eriksson. You need players but not mediocre ones paid like elite players. Is that so hard to understand?

Last season it was Beagle the elite 4th liner who you defended untill you were Blue in the face. How did that turn out again?

This is the same argument, it is not good to overpay for bad players. This is how you get in to cap problems. its better to do nothing than to do something stupid

PS.
And for the record I have no trouble with the additions of Ferland, Benn and Miller (though I wish the pick could have been a 2nd rounder instead). These 3 are good players that are paid at a good level.

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

Myers has stepped up whenever there were injuries on the Jets. It's not a great deal (maybe 1-1.5M overpaid IMO) but i think you guys will appreciate having him once Tanev/Edler miss time with their annual injuries.

It's depth that gets teams to the playoffs most of the time.

 

[Askel]

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Nonsense as always.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Nonsense as always.

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[F A N]

There was other options than signing Myers for 6 millions, Miller, Jokiharju, Subban, Barrie where moved. Both Buffalo and Columbus has more d-men than they need. There were better options. Signing Myers is bad. So was signing Eriksson. You need players but not mediocre ones paid like elite players. Is that so hard to understand?

Yes there were other options available. Barrie was an option. Who do you suggest the Canucks part with to acquire him? The Subban option was reportedly explored but the Canucks chose to not do a deal where salary was not retained. As for Miller, he's a popular target but he didn't have a good year last season. Just comparing his underlying stats to Myers last season was Miller better? I don't think so. Ultimately, Miller was moved for a 2021 2nd and a 2022 5th. Isn't that weird? Did nobody offer a 2019 or even 2020 2nd for him? Perhaps Vegas wanted to trade him outside of the Conference? I don't think you can classify Jokiharju as a comparable option at this point.

Buffalo has more Dmen than they need? That's after they went out and acquired 2 Dmen no? Who do you suggest the Canucks go after? Ristolainen? I'm under the impression that they defense sucked last season. As for Columbus, I have no idea who you are looking at there. The Canucks have a surplus of forwards as well. Reportedly Eriksson, a two time 30 goal scorer and 3 time 70+ point producer, is available.

And for the record I have no trouble with the additions of Ferland, Benn and Miller (though I wish the pick could have been a 2nd rounder instead). These 3 are good players that are paid at a good level.

So is your argument to never over pay for a player or you only pay "good" players? There's a difference. I don't think Benn is in the same class as Karlsson.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Yes there were other options available. Barrie was an option. Who do you suggest the Canucks part with to acquire him? The Subban option was reportedly explored but the Canucks chose to not do a deal where salary was not retained. As for Miller, he's a popular target but he didn't have a good year last season. Just comparing his underlying stats to Myers last season was Miller better? I don't think so. Ultimately, Miller was moved for a 2021 2nd and a 2022 5th. Isn't that weird? Did nobody offer a 2019 or even 2020 2nd for him? Perhaps Vegas wanted to trade him outside of the Conference? I don't think you can classify Jokiharju as a comparable option at this point.

Buffalo has more Dmen than they need? That's after they went out and acquired 2 Dmen no? Who do you suggest the Canucks go after? Ristolainen? I'm under the impression that they defense sucked last season. As for Columbus, I have no idea who you are looking at there. The Canucks have a surplus of forwards as well. Reportedly Eriksson, a two time 30 goal scorer and 3 time 70+ point producer, is available.



So is your argument to never over pay for a player or you only pay "good" players? There's a difference. I don't think Benn is in the same class as Karlsson.

Subban went for cheap.

 

[Hit the post]

Myers has stepped up whenever there were injuries on the Jets. It's not a great deal (maybe 1-1.5M overpaid IMO) but i think you guys will appreciate having him once Tanev/Edler miss time with their annual injuries.

It's depth that gets teams to the playoffs most of the time.

He can more than pull his weight offensively but that's less of a concern with Hughes. It's our best defensive D that are injury prone. He's no better than Hutton in the defensive side of the game. Will get exposed when Edler and Tanev go down.

 

[forty47seven]

Subban went for cheap.

Subban would've been best case scenario. If only the Canucks took that Arizona trade to move down on day one of the draft. They could've made a decent offer out of 40th, 45th, Beiga and Rathbone while taking Caufield at 14. Although, the Canucks would probably have to sweeten that quite a bit to entice Nashville to keep PK in conference and not take the NJ package.

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

He can more than pull his weight offensively but that's less of a concern with Hughes. It's our best defensive D that are injury prone. He's no better than Hutton in the defensive side of the game. Will get exposed when Edler and Tanev go down.

Maybe, but still with better players you have a better chance to win if it comes to that. Doesn't matter if it's by scoring a ton or how you do it.

 

[Bobby Digital]

Subban would've been best case scenario. If only the Canucks took that Arizona trade to move down on day one of the draft. They could've made a decent offer out of 40th, 45th, Beiga and Rathbone while taking Caufield at 14. Although, the Canucks would probably have to sweeten that quite a bit to entice Nashville to keep PK in conference and not take the NJ package.

Best case scenario would have been someone like DeHaan, Ristolainen or Jokijarju. Someone who comes cheap and/or is young and will actually be with the team when the young core is entering its prime.

Giving up assets for a 30 year old Subban who is declining, has a high cap hit, and won't be here for the long haul just doesn't make sense for us.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Nonsense as always.

Its not nonsense at all...you (and Puckmunchkin) are both whining that Myers is overpaid (which has been conceded, that he is ..by maybe $1M),.... and barking out ridiculous comments like 'I would rather have Karlsson"..problem is,..in UFA..the player makes the choice of his destination(it takes two)..so thats a non starter off of the bat..

Or Barrie and Ristolainen..those acquisitions will hurt a lot more (goodbye Podkolzin) than than the extra $1M you're paying Myers

 

[tyhee]

Myers has stepped up whenever there were injuries on the Jets. It's not a great deal (maybe 1-1.5M overpaid IMO) but i think you guys will appreciate having him once Tanev/Edler miss time with their annual injuries.

It's depth that gets teams to the playoffs most of the time.

1. Ok, if I understand your point, when players are out of the lineup it is good to have other players.

Last season when Edler and Tanev were out it was good that there was somebody-in that case Ben Hutton-to step forward and play big minutes. That doesn't make that horrible contract that Hutton got at the end of his entry level contract a good one.

Now you're referring to "depth" that costs $6 million per season. In a world where cap space is a limited resource, spending that on depth would be a waste of a valuable resource that could have been used to get more and better depth.

A $ 6 million player needs to be more than depth to be a worthwhile investment. I say that not to claim that Myers is just depth (he's more than that) but to make the point that justifying his signing as increasing team depth is a fallacy.

2. Opinions on Myers' worth vary greatly.

Some say he's a defensive slug and worth little.

Some say he's an offensive juggernaut and # 1 defenceman.

I think he's good offensively, only fair defensively and that on balance his value is that of a 2nd pair guy. If he was being paid 2nd pair money for the next three seasons I wouldn't criticize the signing.

Myers is certainly a step up from some of the other defensive acquisitions the team has made through the years and imo there's nothing bad with having Myers on the team. He's likely to do some good things, be the hero occasionally, make mediocre defensive decisions that largely go unnoticed and function at a reasonable level. The issue isn't likely to be whether we got a slug but whether the Canucks have, again, handed out a contract for too long and too much money.

Paying him $6 million values him at the level of his offence contributions and pretty much ignores his mediocre defensive play.

As to term, paying him that for five seasons, until he reaches the age of 34, seems to me to make no allowance whatsoever for the possibility of age-related decline. Some of the decline in value will be offset by inflation, but it seems to me that there must still be some allowance for the risk of decline.

My estimate of the difference between his contract and the value he brings to the team would be higher than yours even without taking into account the risk of age-related decline before the end of the contract.