Confirmed with Link: Canucks Re-Sign W Nils Hoglander to 3y/3m AAV Contract
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kanucks25
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He's essentially the same player he was last season.
Being in great shape doesn't magically make the warts and inconsistencies in his game disappear.
It's clear Tocchet does not trust him to play high leverage minutes or PK minutes. So you have a guy playing bottom-6 minutes (and some PP, which is almost negligible given how little time the 2nd unit gets) that the coach doesn't trust defensively.
So usage wise you pretty much have another Sprong but at 3M instead of 900k. Management and coaches must really believe he has another gear, or at least will eventually play a more mature and well-rounded game.
Being in great shape doesn't magically make the warts and inconsistencies in his game disappear.
It's clear Tocchet does not trust him to play high leverage minutes or PK minutes. So you have a guy playing bottom-6 minutes (and some PP, which is almost negligible given how little time the 2nd unit gets) that the coach doesn't trust defensively.
So usage wise you pretty much have another Sprong but at 3M instead of 900k. Management and coaches must really believe he has another gear, or at least will eventually play a more mature and well-rounded game.
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Really thought that when Hoglander had his breakthrough 24 goal season and then signed a three year contract, that he'd be a Canuck for years.
But now I'm just not sure......hasn't been the best start to the season for Hoglnder, and his $3m contract doesn't cut in until next season. So any team acquiring him, is getting him for the rest of this season at just over $1m a season.
With Canucks having more holes in their blueline that Swiss cheese, Hoglander may have to sacrificed to shore it up.
I knew he wouldn’t match his shooting percentage from last year, but I thought he’d get more opportunity in the top 9 and with it more shots to maybe have a 20-20 season even at a 13-14% shooting percentage. But more than that I think he just hasn’t been quite the consistent buzz saw we saw last year
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It's 14 games. Whether he fits or not is a different conversation. He's 24, by all accounts, a bundle of energy and a popular teammate that has a decent play level as a kid and works his ass off. He scored 24 goals last year at ES. He has averaged 17 per 82 at 12 min TOI, and no PP time. His takeaways to giveaways is solid. Yet you have people who want to run him out of town. Same outfit hates Pettersson because he's a bit chilly.
Bring back Loui Eriksson.
Bring back Loui Eriksson.
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I will take any player who can score 24 goals with no pp time, as Hoglander did last year! Seems to get little respect from the fans, just like many wanted Garland traded last year...hard to understand the Rodney Dangerfield "lack of respect". Thank goodness management did not follow the fans desire to trade Garland last year and I trust they will not follow the fans desire in this case.
Hoglander is a fairly typical middle 6 player. Inconsistent and as a result streaky. His contract is perfectly in line to what he brings in the end. It's a mid to low level value contract in todays NHL. Likely puts him around 200th or so for forwards.
His ES goals last year and reasonable contract I think makes him an attractive trade piece to get something for the backend.
His ES goals last year and reasonable contract I think makes him an attractive trade piece to get something for the backend.
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right now, he is playing with 2 AHL level players with minimal ice time.
He looked much better when he was playing with Suter and Sprong on the 4rth line
He looked much better when he was playing with Suter and Sprong on the 4rth line
When Hoglander signed that extension it was pretty clear that he was going to be a project for the coaching staff. They are betting they can sand off the rough edges to his game by next season when his new deal kicks in. While he might have hit a new level with his fitness he still doesn't think the game the way we need him to. Just last game he was on his own in the neutral zone after his line had defended for a stint, and he slowed up looking for someone to pass the puck to and you could hear someone yelling at him to get the puck deep. He's great from below the faceoff dots but he needs to soilify his game over the rest of the ice.
One the one hand he'll be a great bargain deal if he can figure out how to play in Tocchet's system and take on the role of one of our more expensive wingers, but I don't think he has much time to get there before he'll be shipped out.
One the one hand he'll be a great bargain deal if he can figure out how to play in Tocchet's system and take on the role of one of our more expensive wingers, but I don't think he has much time to get there before he'll be shipped out.
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I get that he doesn't always play defensively the way Tocchet wants, but I don't think I've ever seen Tocchet as publicly angry with a player as he seems to get with Hogs.
kanucks25
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By most accounts management actually tried quite a bit to trade Garland but nobody would take him without bad salary coming back.
FWIW I always liked Garland. He's like Hoglander in that he's primarily an ES producer but his game is a lot more rounded out when it comes to details.
He is older than Hoglander; of course management is hoping with age and maturity Hog can round out his game as well. I wouldn't be surprised if he does, and I'm rooting for him, but until he does that it's going to be difficult for him to get any quality ice time.
It’s way too early to say whether the extension will work out. I think, the Canucks believe he has very good character and is very driven, and obviously has decent talent, so he’s a guy they can work with and continue to improve over the next almost four years.
This extension was a very bad idea.
2 goals in 17 games after the most predictable SH% regression in history kicked in, on the 4th line (justifiably), still has major problems defensively. We probably gave away $1 million by signing him early and tanked the value of the trade chip. Ugh.
2 goals in 17 games after the most predictable SH% regression in history kicked in, on the 4th line (justifiably), still has major problems defensively. We probably gave away $1 million by signing him early and tanked the value of the trade chip. Ugh.
That's why I was bearish on the extension... with Hogs I don't think it's a problem of "figuring out" a system but that he just struggles to read how a play develops overall. This isn't the NFL where you memorize a tome of set plays, hockey is just too fluid and requires players to have a baseline ability to read what's going on given the information right in front of them. And he's consistently the forward who makes you go "wtf where he's going".
He's a low-IQ player who can have stretches of effectiveness due to his motor and compete level but he's a freelancer of a player who doesn't fit well into structured systems and is never going to be able to be trusted defensively.
Hoglander is the type of player who'll always be of interest to other teams. His motor and compete-level, and his pay-grade, mean he's attractive.
But at the end of the day he's a winger......and wingers are 'replaceable'. And if there's a trade out there for a serviceable d-men, then the Canucks have to pull the trigger.
But at the end of the day he's a winger......and wingers are 'replaceable'. And if there's a trade out there for a serviceable d-men, then the Canucks have to pull the trigger.
Not sure why he’s not getting PP2 time? He’s a capable 5-on-5 scorer and should be on the top line and swapping with Lekkerimaki. Lekk is decent on PP1 but still needs to strengthen up for 5 on 5 hockey, gets pushed off the puck too easily and Hoglander is a good forchecker that would work better well with Miller & Suter.
