Rumor: Canucks on the verge of signing Elias Pettersson for eight years!

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

I watched this clip on youtube, man is Don Taylor out of touch. He's trying to compare the Pettersson contract to deals like the McDavid one that were signed 6 freakin years ago or to the J.T. Miller deal, comparing signing a 25 year old to a 29 year old.

Imagine going to a realtor selling a house listed for $2M and telling them that you feel like it's an overpay because the nicer house next door sold for $1.6M 6 years ago. They'd laugh in your face.

Guys like Taylor will be praising the Petey deal 2-3 years from now when Dylan Larkin caliber players start demanding $12M deals.

I actually find him very witty/ funny, ..Right up till November, he was claiming that the Canucks should blow the team up ...Clearly a bit off these days.

 

[MS]

Don Taylor has never been ‘in touch’.

He’s always been a highlights reader whose opinions are bad populist fan takes.

 

[Jerry the great]

The Pagnotta tweet, specifically, has been directly refuted by Serravelli. He said the Canucks were in the 11m~ range in the summer. They were in a 'show me' position.

But following your logic, can I ask you: Why wasn't the 12/8yr information and management's frustration leaked to Pagnotta in November/December? If the goal was to create a media frenzy, why wait to the deadline? To my knowledge, they met Pettersson and tabled an offer at that time. Wouldn't it have helped them get to an agreement then instead of being left on red?

Oh, so the "insider" that didn't get the original scoop says the original scoop is wrong. maybe it is, maybe it isn't...obviously we'll never know the whole story. I absolutely do not believe for a microsecond that the Canucks management was in a "show me" position dealing with their biggest asset. News of them offering a "blank cheque" was everywhere.

Because more deals get done at/near the trade deadline than any other time during the year and our place atop the league standing is certainly on firmer ground now than it was in November. If you wanted to plant the seed in Pettersson's mind that he could be traded.....right before what could be an exciting playoff run, the TDL frenzy is a great time for these stories to be swirling. And it worked.

 

[Nucker101]

I actually find him very witty/ funny, ..Right up till November, he was claiming that the Canucks should blow the team up ...Clearly a bit off these days.

I like him from his SN days, he’s out to lunch here though.

 

[Vector]

Don Taylor has never been ‘in touch’.

He’s always been a highlights reader whose opinions are bad populist fan takes.

He's a man of the people!

Problem is most people are quite dumb.

 

[MS]

He's a man of the people!

Problem is most people are quite dumb.

He’s the voice of the 50-something ‘sports dude’ who played hockey as a teenager and watches 10 games/year now and who is still stuck in 1994 in his takes and has no clue about modern hockey/salary cap etc.

Even during the 1990s he had no ability to think outside the box and just parroted the most generic talking points.

 

[EpochLink]

I watched this clip on youtube, man is Don Taylor out of touch. He's trying to compare the Pettersson contract to deals like the McDavid one that were signed 6 freakin years ago or to the J.T. Miller deal, comparing signing a 25 year old to a 29 year old.

Imagine going to a realtor selling a house listed for $2M and telling them that you feel like it's an overpay because the nicer house next door sold for $1.6M 6 years ago. They'd laugh in your face.

Guys like Taylor will be praising the Petey deal 2-3 years from now when Dylan Larkin caliber players start demanding $12M deals.

Don Taylor still hasn't called his garbage sources about Zadorov not being a mesh with the Canucks, I swear this guy just talks out of his pie hole because he's just miserable. The Canucks are one of the top teams in the league yet he called 'blow it up' early.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

We're currently getting insane surplus value out of the Miller and Hughes contracts. Both of those guys should rightfully be well into double digits. We can afford to pay the other guy market rate.

this is the big thing

we have hughes, demko, and miller under contract for a combined $20,850,000 cap hit. that’s slightly less than 25% of the cap with the number going up and none of them needing new contracts for the next two years.

yes OEL but petey taking a discount, while obviously welcome, isn’t make or break. with myers coming off the books our only inefficiencies are mik and garland, and garland at least this year has played his contract to a standstill. yes we’re top heavy but the top four guys are all franchise players so it is what it is.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

He’s the voice of the 50-something ‘sports dude’ who played hockey as a teenager and watches 10 games/year now and who is still stuck in 1994 in his takes and has no clue about modern hockey/salary cap etc.

Even during the 1990s he had no ability to think outside the box and just parroted the most generic talking points.

Hey now, I was 13-14 years old and would get a kick out of his takes on CKNW sports talk. He would get so easily rattled on sports talk when callers question him.

I absolutely loathed Dan Russell, but found Don Taylor more annoying on radio.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Don Taylor has never been ‘in touch’.

He’s always been a highlights reader whose opinions are bad populist fan takes.

still have a soft spot for him because randorf was tucker carlson before tucker carlson and always rubbed me the wrong way

but yeah taylor is not where i go for insight

 

[StreetHawk]

this is the big thing

we have hughes, demko, and miller under contract for a combined $20,850,000 cap hit. that’s slightly less than 25% of the cap with the number going up and none of them needing new contracts for the next two years.

yes OEL but petey taking a discount, while obviously welcome, isn’t make or break. with myers coming off the books our only inefficiencies are mik and garland, and garland at least this year has played his contract to a standstill. yes we’re too heavy but the top four guys are all franchise players so it is what it is.

It's the reality of the NHL. Top players get paid and you have to manage the rest of the roster.

There is a balance of being aggressive to go for it to win and giving yourself a window of a few years to try to win. As you need some cheaper talent to offset the big money players. Signing vets who turn over every year or two, you can't expect them all to hit.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

this is the big thing

we have hughes, demko, and miller under contract for a combined $20,850,000 cap hit. that’s slightly less than 25% of the cap with the number going up and none of them needing new contracts for the next two years.

yes OEL but petey taking a discount, while obviously welcome, isn’t make or break. with myers coming off the books our only inefficiencies are mik and garland, and garland at least this year has played his contract to a standstill. yes we’re top heavy but the top four guys are all franchise players so it is what it is.

If you compare that to Toronto's core four, ours are so much better value it's ridiculous. They are paying at or above market for everyone. It could be said we're paying under for three of four.

 

[I am toxic]

That's not correct. Serravelli specifically states that 12m AAV was not there for Pettersson in the summer. This, I think, was the main sticking point for the Pettersson camp. The team took a 'show me' stance and when Pettersson did, the team rushed back to the table where Pettersson decided to delay, needlessly.

It is was an eye opener to me to listen in on an agent talking to a gm - i was surprised at how often they spoke, but more so the areas and metrics they were focused on - or what the agent wanted to be focused on.

If Petey has indeed changed his stance, then I agree he delayed in doing so.

However, I am not as certain he did so needlessly - while there has been smoke the past few weeks, he may have things going on that made him believe delaying would make sense. Maybe a nagging injury was hoped to end, maybe the Lindholm acquisition would increase his production.

Clearly the latter has not panned out, maybe the fomer as well. The agent is no doubt pushing to sign sooner rather than later.

So yeah, if Petey signs in the next week or so for money that was on the table a month ago, from my outsider perspective the delay was needless - term and money the same, could have avoided some drama.

But from Petey's perspective, there may very well be other things going on which we are not privy* to.

*I expect a lot of likes for this post, because I included privy, like an outhouse**, but not in this case.

**that's an outdoor toilet to you millenials. grow up and learn somethng, ffs, like how to spell check

 

[mriswith]

I think it’s going to be less than what people expect. Pettersson wants to win, so I can see him signing for less than 12 if it helps the team.

I think the opposite. Pettersson has always struck me as being all about the money.

I remember an interview from his rookie year where he was asked about what it was like playing in the NHL and he basically said "everyone is so good, it's awesome. And you can make A TON of money" like money was brought into the conversation by him when asking about his impressions of the nhl. That stuck with me.

Luckily for us, no one can offer more than we can because of the 8th year.

 

[LemonSauceD]

what pisses me off is the amount of times Taylor cuts Dhaliwal off who’s already unbearably hard to listen to as he struggles to form a coherent sentence…

 

[supercanuck]

It is was an eye opener to me to listen in on an agent talking to a gm - i was surprised at how often they spoke, but more so the areas and metrics they were focused on - or what the agent wanted to be focused on.

If Petey has indeed changed his stance, then I agree he delayed in doing so.

However, I am not as certain he did so needlessly - while there has been smoke the past few weeks, he may have things going on that made him believe delaying would make sense. Maybe a nagging injury was hoped to end, maybe the Lindholm acquisition would increase his production.

Clearly the latter has not panned out, maybe the fomer as well. The agent is no doubt pushing to sign sooner rather than later.

So yeah, if Petey signs in the next week or so for money that was on the table a month ago, from my outsider perspective the delay was needless - term and money the same, could have avoided some drama.

But from Petey's perspective, there may very well be other things going on which we are not privy* to.

*I expect a lot of likes for this post, because I included privy, like an outhouse**, but not in this case.

**that's an outdoor toilet to you millenials. grow up and learn somethng, ffs, like how to spell check

I liked because outhouse always reminds me of this

 

[EpochLink]

what pisses me off is the amount of times Taylor cuts Dhaliwal off who’s already unbearably hard to listen to as he struggles to form a coherent sentence…

That's the Crown Royal talking, also I think Don Taylor just wakes up miserable.

 

[calnuck]

what pisses me off is the amount of times Taylor cuts Dhaliwal off who’s already unbearably hard to listen to as he struggles to form a coherent sentence…

Taylor has become literally unlistenable. Sad to see what he's become

 

[Bleach Clean]

Oh, so the "insider" that didn't get the original scoop says the original scoop is wrong. maybe it is, maybe it isn't...obviously we'll never know the whole story. I absolutely do not believe for a microsecond that the Canucks management was in a "show me" position dealing with their biggest asset. News of them offering a "blank cheque" was everywhere.

Because more deals get done at/near the trade deadline than any other time during the year and our place atop the league standing is certainly on firmer ground now than it was in November. If you wanted to plant the seed in Pettersson's mind that he could be traded.....right before what could be an exciting playoff run, the TDL frenzy is a great time for these stories to be swirling. And it worked.

So now we dismiss Serravelli because his information contradicts... Pagnotta??? Ok.... Are we ignoring the report that they are working on a contract with Pettersson too? (Seravelli is the original source)

The disconnect here is how we each view the impact of trade chatter on Pettersson. You think it spurred him on and I think he knows there's a 0% chance he was going to be dealt. There was no chance. Period. Therefore, the impetus must come from somewhere else.

IMO, it was the media/fans isolating him as a distraction, and that was going to hang over his head while he plays the most important games of his career. Really, they should have put this to bed in the offseason. They didn't. It festered and blew up in their faces to the point they had to address it now.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Well, the Vancouver sports media did their job..Look at all the PANIC they created...?

 

[I am toxic]

I liked because outhouse always reminds me of this

Here is an example in Tweedsmuir of an actual* one in the Rainbow Range that I have had the pleasure of taking a massive dump in - truly an outhouse:

The one in the Rainbow range is above treeline and the view goes on literally forever, sorta like this but different:

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*I say actual as in person-made - I have taken lots of dumps in even more spectacular settings, and no, I do not include Ipoo Mountain even though the views are as spectacular as the smells are bad.

 

[Vector]

According to multiple sources, the Vancouver Canucks and Carolina Hurricanes had discussions about Elias Pettersson that advanced to a stage where both the Canucks and the player needed to make serious decisions about where their relationship was headed.

The Canucks ultimately decided in favour of another attempt at extending Pettersson, and he, facing the possibility Vancouver could move him, allowed agents Pat Brisson and JP Barry to resume negotiations. Previously, the talented forward indicated he preferred to wait until after the season.

No extension is complete at this time, but there certainly is momentum in that direction, as Daily Faceoff's Frank Seravalli reported Wednesday. Should it be completed, it will allow the Canucks a very clear picture of their future cap situation heading into next week’s trade deadline.

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

 

[Jerry the great]

So now we dismiss Serravelli because his information contradicts... Pagnotta??? Ok.... Are we ignoring the report that they are working on a contract with Pettersson too? (Seravelli is the original source)

The disconnect here is how we each view the impact of trade chatter on Pettersson. You think it spurred him on and I think he knows there's a 0% chance he was going to be dealt. There was no chance. Period. Therefore, the impetus must come from somewhere else.

IMO, it was the media/fans isolating him as a distraction, and that was going to hang over his head while he plays the most important games of his career. Really, they should have put this to bed in the offseason. They didn't. It festered and blew up in their faces to the point they had to address it now.

I think the whole media shitstorm spurred him. Trade speculation was just part of it (if he had always intended to leave, this shit storm may well have resulted in a trade rather than what appears to be an extension in the works). I think stories out there that contributed to/started a feedback loop that became deafening and resulted in the player finally sitting down were likely started by management.

 

[calnuck]

According to multiple sources, the Vancouver Canucks and Carolina Hurricanes had discussions about Elias Pettersson that advanced to a stage where both the Canucks and the player needed to make serious decisions about where their relationship was headed.

The Canucks ultimately decided in favour of another attempt at extending Pettersson, and he, facing the possibility Vancouver could move him, allowed agents Pat Brisson and JP Barry to resume negotiations. Previously, the talented forward indicated he preferred to wait until after the season.

No extension is complete at this time, but there certainly is momentum in that direction, as Daily Faceoff's Frank Seravalli reported Wednesday. Should it be completed, it will allow the Canucks a very clear picture of their future cap situation heading into next week’s trade deadline.

Who would've been coming back I wonder