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[Just A Bit Outside]

There's being transparent and there's being stupid.

JR has lost the plot.

 

[xtr3m]

If you give up more goals than you score does it really matter how many points you have?

You have a point but Petey's cap hit is rrrrrrrreally working against him here. That and his impeding NMC.

 

[Flik]

Regardless of how this all goes down I'm so pissed at both Miller and Petey for allowing an immature rift between them to fester and become bigger than the team.

Like jfc, we have two really great players that together, when at the top of their game gives us a fantastic 1-2 punch down the middle and puts us in a spot to focus elsewhere on the roster to make us a serious contender.

But no, they can't keep it professional and focus on the task at hand.

Whatever, man.

That's so f***ing lame, because if they just worked together The Canucks would be stronger for it.

 

[TruGr1t]

There's being transparent and there's being stupid.

JR has lost the plot.

Considering it's Mason, and not for example IMac, also seems to indicate ownership has its fingerprints on this.

 

[Snatcher Demko]

The only explanations for JR's unprecedented interview:

1. There is a deal and one or both are going to be shipped out. My guess is EP.
2. The return will be disappointing.
3. Management are shielding themselves from the blowback by moving in front of it.

 

[bossram]

Rutherford just pouring gas on the fire instead of putting it out.

Great work JR, you’re making Benning proud.

Team finally strings some wins together, puts in strong efforts all-around, maybe can grab a hold of a playoff spot with a little run and quiet some of the external noise.

Rutherford: "Eff that. You all suck! But it's zero percent my fault you all suck!! Also I'm trading some of you ASAP lmaooooo!!!"

There's being transparent and there's being stupid.

JR has lost the plot.

He's a senile old man.

 

[TruGr1t]

The only explanations for JR's unprecedented interview:

1. There is a deal and one or both are going to be shipped out. My guess is EP.
2. The return will be disappointing.
3. Management are shielding themselves from the blowback by moving in front of it.

I don't see why you're getting a particularly disappointing return on Pettersson ... is Cozens + Byram + 2nd or equivalent disappointing? I guess.

Miller yes, if you trade him you're probably getting skunked.

 

[SnapIt]

JR takes for granted that the players he thinks will stay (Hughes, etc) won’t have an issue with his terrible PR moves.

This should rightly piss of Hughes, after he’s essentially put the team on his back to get them towards the post season. Now he has to keep talking about rifts in the locker room, after he already said his piece on it time after time

 

[supercanuck]

Miller his last 16 games: 14 points.

Pettersson his last 16 games: 5 points.

Let’s trade the PPG guy making way less money in hopes that the guy playing at a 50 point pace can hopefully become PPG.

The toxic guy will continue to be toxic and continue to divide the room. It doesn't matter how many points he scores. The chances of EP having a turnaround is much, much higher than JT suddenly becoming a better person.

 

[Soups On]

Team finally strings some wins together, puts in strong efforts all-around, maybe can grab a hold of a playoff spot with a little run and quiet some of the external noise.

Rutherford: "Eff that. You all suck! But it's zero percent my fault you all suck!! Also I'm trading some of you ASAP lmaooooo!!!"


He's a senile old man.

Benning level of stupidity right now. What the f*** are these guys thinking - how do they make the wrong PR moves this often.

 

[supercanuck]

Regardless of how this all goes down I'm so pissed at both Miller and Petey for allowing an immature rift between them to fester and become bigger than the team.

Like jfc, we have two really great players that together, when at the top of their game gives us a fantastic 1-2 punch down the middle and puts us in a spot to focus elsewhere on the roster to make us a serious contender.

But no, they can't keep it professional and focus on the task at hand.

Whatever, man.

That's so f***ing lame, because if they just worked together The Canucks would be stronger for it.

Bullying is not an "immature rift" though. There's an obvious aggressor here who was sent home for a month to see if he can change (obviously did not).

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

JR waddling his way into the dressing room:

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Yes.

He seemed to be well-spoken in 2022. He said all the right things and seemed to intend he was building a competent front office. They mostly had everything under control in the first few months and the moves they made weren't telegraphed.

The first cracks in the armour seemed to develop with the handling of Bruce Boudreau. It was handled so poorly. Then we heard leaks surrounding the Pettersson negotiations where the front office was openly leaking out rumors to the media. This season has totally jumped the shark though.

So there's two potential reasons:
1) JR is senile. Allvin is dumb as hell.

2) Aquilini has stonewalled many prior efforts at making changes/trades and this is basically Jim Rutherford/Allvin trying to ignite fireworks to get the public behind making those moves.

 

[theguardianII]

Boy is my confidence in JR sapped!

Like, I was very weary from seeing how things went for him in PIT post cups and how much they spiralled, and was encouraged from last season which is clearly a bit of a PDO/luck mirage, but man. This just does not seem like a good way to handle things.

It could be a message to Allvin without talking to him face to face, that would be a very serious conversation in person.
JR hired Allvin to run the team and he has supported him for all Allvin's decisions, this might be him being upset.
Maybe there were trades the Tochhet nixed. Allvin has built Tocchet's team.

Yes last year was very encouraging but also a bit of a fluke in first half shooting percentages double the league average, 5 shots 3 goals games.
Getting a top 4 dman for a gift, one that was a monster in the playoffs.
Having Cole with all his playoff experience. A leader without peers on the team.

This year has been all Hughes, so trading away Demko, Boeser, Pettersson and Miller might not make that big a difference or maybe only a one season set back, next season. The #1 next year will be pretty good and it is a deeper draft year too.

Management can't worry if Hughes will stay or go. They can only go by his past statements of wanting to play with his brothers, WITH.
All the owned media is trying to panic the fanbase into thinking all is lost if is traded. Remember Bure, Linden or Nasund trades. All pretty much the same theatrics of doom and gloom.

Management can't know for certainty what Hughes will decide at the last minute but they can plan to not have him or maximize the best benefit to team, TEAM growth. Hughes is one of a kind here but not the team.

IF next year has 8 losses more than now they are almost a lottery team. With one more year at a peanut cap hit he could possibly get the #1 overall and IF the Canucks are a lottery team and they fluke out and get the #1 with their own pick then the #2 and many AAA prospects and another top 4 defence prospect.

IMO it is possible to rebuild the players in one more season with three or four firsts, young defence prospects and having 10's of millions for FA's.

BUT IMO Tocchet has to be replaced. Some coaches just get old fast.
He has stated he won't train players in the NHL, that the AHL is for that.
His system smothers skill creativity.
He apparently rubs players the wrong way.
He makes playing the game into a really hard joyless job with severe penalties.
He also has a history of player trade demands and skilled players not performing to peak levels

 

[Vector]

I kind of think there's an overreaction to these comments. Not that he made the comments, that part seems bizarre and unnecessary. No idea why anyone would think this interview was a good idea. Once again, Jim Rutherford is exactly like my Dad; extremely entertaining guy that should really just keep his mouth shut.

What I think is an overreaction is this part:

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“So yeah, if a centre goes out of here we have to get some kind of centre back but it’s not going to be the same as the centre going out. It might not even be a No. 2 centre, but you’d have to do the best with what we have until we figure out how to fill that spot back in.

“And then, of course, you have to get extra things [in any trade] that you can either use in the future to flip for NHL players now or for other positions or things like that.”

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I don't read this as an indication that the return will be subpar but that they are aiming to get a centre back but not a direct replacement. Indicates they are okay with getting a bunch of future pieces, holding the fort, then flipping those for NHL players at a later date.

 

[Jyrki]

The only explanations for JR's unprecedented interview:

1. There is a deal and one or both are going to be shipped out. My guess is EP.
2. The return will be disappointing.
3. Management are shielding themselves from the blowback by moving in front of it.

This is exactly what I think as well.

Buckle up.

 

[krutovsdonut]

I think it’s just rotten and there is no solution. I was worried back after the bubble playoffs when the team came out a disaster and looked like they could care less. Then Edler had enough, a guy who looked like he would be a lifer - red flag number 2 with this core. And two different management groups have brought in veterans over and over and some of those players looked like they couldn’t wait to get out of dodge.

Bruce said on multiple occasions that it was a quiet room. If there are cliques that don’t get along, then it becomes hard to get through tough times and turn things around. And all good teams are gonna go through rough times. Whenever this team has a rough patch, they just seem to spiral.

It sucks. But it is better to shed the denial and move on.

this is where i am at. this has been going on since at least the bubble season and the fact it came back after the season they had last year pretty much makes it terminal. i think management have been extremely patient and i also will assume they put out a lot of fires before finally saying f*** it and letting it burn and now just throwing gasoline.

three coaches, two captains and many veteran team mates have had a crack at solving it and there has been a lot of personnel in and out of the room to mix things up. rutherford is making it crystal clear it's two guys who cannot work it out despite trying. i do believe both have made an effort. people blaming miller need to consider that teammates have made it crystal clear they love miller despite the fact he has been too hard on pettersson and also that miller is clearly the emotional leader of the team. it is also clear enough that pettersson is in no way shape or form the emotional engine of the team. his nickname is or was "alien". it was also miller, not pettersson, who had some kind of mental break this fall and who is rumoured to want to leave, whereas pettersson wants to stay. none of that is consistent with a classic bully running amok and terrorizing the team. there is some nuance here.

i hate where this puts the team, and i hate to lose either of these players, but, make of all that what you will, it's not hard to come up with a scenario in which this situation is not the fault of anyone but those two guys letting aspects of their character take precedence over holding the team together.

 

[TruGr1t]

I kind of think there's an overreaction to these comments. Not that he made the comments, that part seems bizarre and unnecessary. No idea why anyone would think this interview was a good idea. Once again, Jim Rutherford is exactly like my Dad; extremely entertaining guy that should really just keep his mouth shut.

What I think is an overreaction is this part:

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“So yeah, if a centre goes out of here we have to get some kind of centre back but it’s not going to be the same as the centre going out. It might not even be a No. 2 centre, but you’d have to do the best with what we have until we figure out how to fill that spot back in.

“And then, of course, you have to get extra things [in any trade] that you can either use in the future to flip for NHL players now or for other positions or things like that.”

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I don't read this as an indication that the return will be subpar but that they are aiming to get a centre back but not a direct replacement. Indicates they are okay with getting a bunch of future pieces, holding the fort, then flipping those for NHL players at a later date.

Good read on those comments. In terms of timing, it's hard not to conclude this means a trade is very close.

 

[ManVanFan]

I don't see why you're getting a particularly disappointing return on Pettersson ... is Cozens + Byram + 2nd or equivalent disappointing? I guess.

Miller yes, if you trade him you're probably getting skunked.

The packages would be vastly different and with Miller's you would get a lot less certainty.

 

[dez]

Maybe JimRu wants to embarrass the two stars by putting this out in the open.

 

[ManVanFan]

I kind of think there's an overreaction to these comments. Not that he made the comments, that part seems bizarre and unnecessary. No idea why anyone would think this interview was a good idea. Once again, Jim Rutherford is exactly like my Dad; extremely entertaining guy that should really just keep his mouth shut.

What I think is an overreaction is this part:

---

“So yeah, if a centre goes out of here we have to get some kind of centre back but it’s not going to be the same as the centre going out. It might not even be a No. 2 centre, but you’d have to do the best with what we have until we figure out how to fill that spot back in.

“And then, of course, you have to get extra things [in any trade] that you can either use in the future to flip for NHL players now or for other positions or things like that.”

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I don't read this as an indication that the return will be subpar but that they are aiming to get a centre back but not a direct replacement. Indicates they are okay with getting a bunch of future pieces, holding the fort, then flipping those for NHL players at a later date.

It sounds like Chytil, a prospect and a pick.

 

[F A N]

Welcome back @Grub. Just in time too.

I keep seeing clips of Jordan talking about how he has no issues with Rodman and I suppose that Jordan's presence allows him to keep teammates in check. Regardless, even with NBA's often outsized personalities they can work together well enough to win a championship and we're talking about guys who need to be on the court at the same time and sharing the ball. Meanwhile, Petey and Miller can't co-exist on the same team when they play on different lines (aside from the PP) and in a room full of other guys?

I kind of think there's an overreaction to these comments. Not that he made the comments, that part seems bizarre and unnecessary. No idea why anyone would think this interview was a good idea. Once again, Jim Rutherford is exactly like my Dad; extremely entertaining guy that should really just keep his mouth shut.

Because there are people who think "accountability" and "PR 101" means going out there to address the big elephant in the room when many others could have predicted how it would go.

 

[krutovsdonut]

I don't see why you're getting a particularly disappointing return on Pettersson ... is Cozens + Byram + 2nd or equivalent disappointing? I guess.

Miller yes, if you trade him you're probably getting skunked.

i am skeptical of the optimistic returns for pettersson from buffalo that are out there. rutherford is signalling a lesser centre plus trade pieces. that makes sense for miller but if he is talking about pettersson, that is not a trade that includes someone like byram or power plus plus. they don't need to manage fan expectations for a trade like that.

 

[SillyRabbit]

I kind of think there's an overreaction to these comments. Not that he made the comments, that part seems bizarre and unnecessary. No idea why anyone would think this interview was a good idea. Once again, Jim Rutherford is exactly like my Dad; extremely entertaining guy that should really just keep his mouth shut.

What I think is an overreaction is this part:

---

“So yeah, if a centre goes out of here we have to get some kind of centre back but it’s not going to be the same as the centre going out. It might not even be a No. 2 centre, but you’d have to do the best with what we have until we figure out how to fill that spot back in.

“And then, of course, you have to get extra things [in any trade] that you can either use in the future to flip for NHL players now or for other positions or things like that.”

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I don't read this as an indication that the return will be subpar but that they are aiming to get a centre back but not a direct replacement. Indicates they are okay with getting a bunch of future pieces, holding the fort, then flipping those for NHL players at a later date.

Why would he have to state any of this publicly?

Does he know he can… just tell the other GM on the phone what he’s open to in terms of return?

He absolutely destroyed any leverage he possibly had.

He could’ve easily told other GM’s “we just won two straight, we might just play out this season and see where it gets us since the offers are not enticing enough.”

This is a Benning level blunder by Rutherford.

 

[Tinhorn1]

Points for honesty. Negative one thousand points for stupidity.