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[TruGr1t]

Listening to the D&D Mason interview I don't see anyway that this doesn't end with both JT and EP out the door. Certainly looks like they were given every opportunity to work things out for the good of the team and failed badly. Having one guy "win" by staying has to cause continuing problems in the room.

I think it depends on what happens after the initial trade (whoever that ends up being), the other will likely be put off until the summer, and a lot can happen in the meantime. If you trade Miller and Pettersson goes back to an 80-100 point pace ... I doubt they move him, for example.

 

[Jyrki]

I really don't like to use Benning as some sort of boogeyman. To me, it diminishes the years of massive incompetence and total organizational dysfunction that was unique to his and Weisbrod's megalomania.

This is a different kind of incompetence and dysfunction.

Granted you could blame Jimbo for leaving behind the OEL stinker and a bare cupboard that limited the options, but we did have the core pieces in place and this management had already shown they had enough in hand to make things work. They had the option of retaining Zadarov and spending more money on the blueline instead of signing JDB/Heinen. And of course no one told them to early extend Petey, Hoglander, Joshua, etc. - that now really handcuffs future roster moves.

Jim/Allvin are well in control of the team's destiny, so as awful as the Jimbo years were, they have to own up to the current failures.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

While this whole thing has been poorly handled by management, I don't buy the "they've ruined their leverage!" argument. Teams knew what's been up with these two and the situation the Canucks were in. Very little has changed on that front IMO.

 

[TruGr1t]

While this whole thing has been poorly handled by management, I don't buy the "they've ruined their leverage!" argument. Teams knew what's been up with these two and the situation the Canucks were in. Very little has changed on that front IMO.

Mason made this exact point in both his press appearances today, for what that's worth.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

Watch Miller and Pete both be traded but to the same team for maximum chaos.

 

[dez]

Any one wanting Pavel Buchnevich didn’t watch last nights game.

 

[Diversification]

 

[supercanuck]

I wonder what QH and his (and EP's) agent would think about JR/Allvin reneging on their handshake agreement with EP to not trade/move him this year.

 

[geebster]

Back in my day, if you said something that stupid someone would punch you in the throat. Hope JR steps on a Lego everyday for the rest of his life.

What an insane unforced error. How does commenting on it help anyone at all? The media is going to be so much worse now. They won 2 in a row and played well...why now?

 

[xtr3m]

I do think they should only trade one right now and unless the team becomes alive, trade the other in the offseason.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Granted you could blame Jimbo for leaving behind the OEL stinker and a bare cupboard that limited the options, but we did have the core pieces in place and this management had already shown they had enough in hand to make things work. They had the option of retaining Zadarov and spending more money on the blueline instead of signing JDB/Heinen. And of course no one told them to early extend Petey, Hoglander, Joshua, etc. - that now really handcuffs future roster moves.

Jim/Allvin are well in control of the team's destiny, so as awful as the Jimbo years were, they have to own up to the current failures.

Disagree with this framing entirely. NIkita Zadorov over Desharnais/Myers wasn't going to save the Canucks season. There was never a winning core here, and management took too long to identify that, and that is the biggest screwup.

Revisionist history on the Petey/Joshua - Those contracts were universally praised, and the fanbase was clamoring for Petey especially to get locked up. Yes, Hoglander's extension looked bad at the time and worse in hindsight, but again, not a huge issue, and I bet they can move him if they really want to.

 

[valkynax]

Is this team's PR ran by a bunch of tapeworms?

 

[Nucker101]

Any one wanting Pavel Buchnevich didn’t watch last nights game.

I used to love the guy, but it seems like injuries have slowed him down. Either that or he's quit on the Blues which is exactly the type of personality we're trying to avoid.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

I hate to say it, but if the whole Byram++ conversation is on the table for Pettersson, you have to strongly consider moving him over Miller. Our defense is abysmal and the Miller offers are somehow worse. If we're going to have any chance of turning things around in the gaming years, we need to move the player who can net us a better return. Not to mention, freeing up that much cap space pretty much negates OEL.

I don't like it, but a package of Byram/Power + Cozens/Peterka or however the pieces fall does so much more for us despite Miller's age.

 

[ManVanFan]

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Yesterday was such a positive day and a nice break from the circus.

Then I opened my big mouth and said "hadn't heard from JR in awhile".

Idiot.

 

[Bgav]

Trading the 26 year old over the 32 year old would be the dumbest shit ever

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Saad has been a vanilla winger who now totally blows.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Yesterday was such a positive day and a nice break from the circus.

Then I opened my big mouth and said "hadn't heard from JR in awhile".

Idiot.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Yesterday was such a positive day and a nice break from the circus.

Then I opened my big mouth and said "hadn't heard from JR in awhile".

Idiot.

Why can't we have a masterclass GM for just a couple seasons? Is that really too much to ask?

 

[ManVanFan]

one for one i would take buch for miller in a heartbeat

That would be a difficult deal to work out. I don't think you could go 1 for 1 there.

 

[Nucker101]

Trading the 26 year old over the 32 year old would be the dumbest shit ever

If they trade JT and decide to keep Petey, I wonder if moving on from Tocchet(just say it was a mutual split) is the way to go.

Gary Mason saying that he thinks both might go is pretty telling though

 

[Tinhorn1]

I don’t see the big deal. Everyone already knows there’s a rift. Rutherford’s interview doesn’t really change his negotiating power at all imo.

The issue for me isn't about the negotiating power, it's about contributing immeasurably to a toxic story that is already making the team miserable. For no reason. As the leader of the team he should be calming the punters, not firing up the circus music and hiring a bunch of clowns.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

All this talent and millionaire players can't come together as a team.

Just pisses me off.

Money doesn’t solve problems, just makes them worse. Rock bands split all the time for that reason.

 

[Blue and Green]

Listening to the D&D Mason interview I don't see anyway that this doesn't end with both JT and EP out the door. Certainly looks like they were given every opportunity to work things out for the good of the team and failed badly. Having one guy "win" by staying has to cause continuing problems in the room.

I think it depends on what happens after the initial trade (whoever that ends up being), the other will likely be put off until the summer, and a lot can happen in the meantime. If you trade Miller and Pettersson goes back to an 80-100 point pace ... I doubt they move him, for example.

I think you both make good points here. We don't really know how the other players might react to the continuing presence of the guy who isn't initially traded. If they feel as though he's not a problem once freed from the presence of the other guy, the matter then would seem resolved. But if there's a lot of lingering resentment toward him from everything that's gone on, then a second trade would seem likely even if the remaining guy's play rebounds.