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[bossram]

getting more than Beau doesn't mean the offer is still crap. Considering the teams left, it could just be a 1st rounder and maybe asking us for a lower round pick back.

The question is, does getting a late 1st in a shitty draft actually help us get the player we need to replace Brock? Keeping the pick doesn't really help us because it will most likely tank the morale and I am sure you want to communicate to the room that you are throwing in the towel.

At least now you can say to the room, we don't trust you guys to go all in but we haven't done anything to downgrade the roster and it's up to you guys to prove that you guys can do it and if you can't then we'll make bigger changes in the offseason.

What Allvin, quite literally communicated to the room today, is that he wanted to trade Brock but didn't get the offer he had mind. At no point have they ever put much real effort into re-signing Brock. Is this supposed to be good for the group morale?

Allvin is almost explicitly saying he doesn't think this group is good enough this season. Is that good for morale?

I mean, yeah, if they got a first round back for Brock earlier in the day, and then were able to turn that into a different asset (Zetterlund), or use it at the draft to acquire a different player, that would be more helpful than playing out the string this season and watching Brock walk.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

He's been a complete non-factor for weeks and we want a 1st and a prospect for him!

Honestly lot of folks need to re-read this.

 

[Felix the Cat Potvin]

Beauvillier got a 2nd.
Schenn got a 2nd and a 4th

Those 2 players are below replacement level players.

Boeser at 50% retained absolutely gets a 1st and a prospect. Its just a fact, but they want him for this playoff run.

From who? The book on Brock is out. He's having an awful year, has health concerns, and the only way for him to be successful is to integrate him onto your top PP and put him with a top centre. What contender is in a position to do that? Otherwise, he'll be a slow and soft player chugging around with little purpose.

The Canucks couldn't give this player away two years for good reason.

 

[bossram]

Honestly lot of folks need to re-read this.

Some of the guys that got traded this deadline have been non-factors for, like, most of the season.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

What Allvin, quite literally communicated to the room today, is that he wanted to trade Brock but didn't get the offer he had mind. At no point have they ever put much real effort into re-signing Brock. Is this supposed to be good for the group morale?

Allvin is almost explicitly saying he doesn't think this group is good enough this season. Is that good for morale?

I mean, yeah, if they got a first round back for Brock earlier in the day, and then were able to turn that into a different asset (Zetterlund), or use it at the draft to acquire a different player, that would be more helpful than playing out the string this season and watching Brock walk.

The answer to every question ending with morale is if the room is full of winners, yeah.

If the room is full of losers, it’ll have the opposite effect.

What motivates people more than knowing their spot next year holds no guarantees? If they don’t like it, kick rocks should have been better during the 82.

 

[Icebreakers]

From who? The book on Brock is out. He's having an awful year, has health concerns, and the only way for him to be successful is to integrate him onto your top PP and put him with a top centre. What contender is in a position to do that?

The Canucks couldn't give this player away two years for good reason.

You are extremely naive if you think Boeser at 3.3m isnt going to fetch a late 1st and a B prospect in this market. Its obvious, Aquallini wants the 2 home game revenue.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Some of the guys that got traded this deadline have been non-factors for, like, most of the season.

Makes you wonder…why make trades for those guys at all? What are they crazy? Only one team wins the Cup - Brian Burke

 

[arttk]

What Allvin, quite literally communicated to the room today, is that he wanted to trade Brock but didn't get the offer he had mind. At no point have they ever put much real effort into re-signing Brock. Is this supposed to be good for the group morale?

Allvin is almost explicitly saying he doesn't think this group is good enough this season. Is that good for morale?

I mean, yeah, if they got a first round back for Brock earlier in the day, and then were able to turn that into a different asset (Zetterlund), or use it at the draft to acquire a different player, that would be more helpful than playing out the string this season and watching Brock walk.

it really depends on how he goes to the room after today. He can say to Brock, yeah everybody thinks you are not worth the assets, up to you to prove everyone wrong. If you prove they are wrong, we can up our offer and maybe you can get a better offer in UFA.

And to the room, I think you just tell the room the same thing, you guys weren't good enough for us to go get rentals (truth) and it's up to them to show whether or not that is true or not.

 

[December5th]

Honestly lot of folks need to re-read this.

hes been a none factor for us, but not for another team where he can gel better

 

[bossram]

The answer to every question ending with morale is if the room is full of winners, yeah.

If the room is full of losers, it’ll have the opposite effect.

What motivates people more than knowing their spot next year holds no guarantees? If they don’t like it, kick rocks should have been better during the 82.

Your response should be to @arttk. I'm not the one arguing decisions should be made with team "morale" at the forefront.

If the team is full of losers, as you said, then it doesn't really matter.

 

[arttk]

You are extremely naive if you think Boeser at 3.3m isnt going to fetch a late 1st and a B prospect in this market. Its obvious, Aquallini wants the 2 home game revenue.

the only players that returned a 1st today is Ratanen (super star), centers, defenseman and Marchand and even that was like a 27/28 1st. There are still wingers available that didn't get moved like Rakell, Rust. Seems like teams just aren't willing to pay a 1st ++ for wingers since it's not a premium position.

 

[arttk]

Your response should be to @arttk. I'm not the one arguing decisions should be made with team "morale" at the forefront.

If the team is full of losers, as you said, then it doesn't really matter.

i don't think it's just morale, it's mentality.

we should not ever communicate to the players that we are throwing in the towel. Even the idea of trading Brock is for the purpose of upgrading and not giving up.

 

[BluesyShoes]

Bummed we didnt make a play for Zetterlund. Exactly what we need on the wings.

 

[Tact]

I think this deadline is worthy of them being fired.

I showed up late today and was super confused why there wasn’t trades - especially if they couldn’t sign Boeser and Suter to deals they were comfortable with.

With Boeser and Suter - there’s still a great chance we miss the playoffs and definitely 100% not win the cup. And you still have the issue of not signing them to deals and they walk.

Trading Boeser and Suter - there’s still a great chance we miss the playoffs - definitely not win the cup. But we gain assets which we could either prioritize our future or flip to get other assets.

The big idea of getting swept in 1st round is kind of sad.

 

[God]

The only thing worse than not selling is buying, and that would have made me officially give up on this team for at least the rest of the season.

They have two years to find a way to keep Quinn Hughes, or I'm finding a new team to cheer for. Honest to God. This franchise doesn't deserve the loyalty we've shown them for so many years. The owners don't give a f*** about the fans, they only care about squeaking into the playoffs for Game 3 and 4.

i rank it like this for a team in our position

1. selling. you basically just give up on the playoffs automatically. horrible message to send to the team.
2. buying. you are dave nonis at the 06 deadline or whatever throwing picks at eric weinrich and mika noronen.
3. staying put.

it's a boring outcome but ultimately the right one. this team has had enough years like what chicago is doing to bedard. no more of that.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

hes been a none factor for us, but not for another team where he can gel better

And what GM was willing to gladly pay that price? Sounds like none, my guy.

 

[Szechwan]

Lame bald soft swede cuck loser needs to grow some balls, nothing but one of the worst returns, in one of the best sellers markets is pathetic and peak cancucks.

Hopefully they miss the playoffs so fat f*** aqua, weak mgmt and 12M cap space can get rekt.

Team full of soft genz bambi p***yes who cant score is going nowhere, especially adding absolutely nothing. (still better than edm)

Sir you bear the name of a beverage that is both personally significant to me, and culturally significant to Millennials at large - I humbly ask that you show more restraint so as not to taint the legacy of such a fantastic drink.

I will summon @Vector if I have to, and he is feeling very ornery at the moment.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Your response should be to @arttk. I'm not the one arguing decisions should be made with team "morale" at the forefront.

If the team is full of losers, as you said, then it doesn't really matter.

I never said the room was full of losers. I’m not in the room, I don’t know what the room is like so I won’t comment.

Beyond that, I’m hopping on your conversation. Get used to it.

 

[Nucky]

Bummed we didnt make a play for Zetterlund. Exactly what we need on the wings.

Meh, I get tweener vibes from him.

Good on the forecheck though.

 

[supercanuck]

Honestly lot of folks need to re-read this.

Yes, Brock has not been great but I still think he is better (and has more upside to be better) than Glass or Beauvillier? If Allvin just came out and said other teams didn't meet our asking prices so we decided to not make any moves as we still believe in them and this team to make the playoffs, then I think that would have been "fair enough". He basically said we tried really hard to trade them, but no one wants our players, especially not Boeser.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Alvin messed up and it had nothing to do with what he did at the deadline. The messaging today was really bad, he just needed to come and be honest. Instead he kind of came up with an excuse that I think he even didn't believe because he felt the need to put a hyperbole behind the statement.

If you believe that Boeser was worth more to you than the packages that were offered because making the playoffs is important to this team and building experience and generating playoff revenue that's fine. I get it but to come out and say these offer were not good enough, and that you would be shocked at the value, was just bad messaging. And rilled up a fan base that was already mad.

 

[andora]

This is simple there were only three outcomes

1. Fans bitch about how little we got in return for players we traded
2. Fans bitch about how much we paid to add players
3. Fans bitch about not doing anything and then make jokes about not being a playoff team or a contending team

It's been a sour mood all year and it was going to be one of these regardless I think the only difference is between the three outcomes is the duration of how long the bitching goes on

 

[Isi]

wait, they actually went after Josh Norris? jesus christ what are they doing

 

[Nuckles]

He's been a complete non-factor for weeks and we want a 1st and a prospect for him!

Management should have had at least some foresight to know Brock's production would dip when they got rid of the 1st line centre he had good chemistry with, especially after seeing him completely struggle with Petey for a number of games this season (before the Miller trade).

They set themselves up for failure. There is no excuse for their mishandling of this entire season.

 

[arttk]

This is simple there were only three outcomes

1. Fans bitch about how little we got in return for players we traded
2. Fans bitch about how much we paid to add players
3. Fans bitch about not doing anything and then make jokes about not being a playoff team or a contending team

It's been a sour mood all year and it was going to be one of these regardless I think the only difference is between the three outcomes is the duration of how long the bitching goes on

also there are a bunch of fans still feel blue balled by Benning for never doing a rebuild so any case where the team is not doing well, they are going to bitch like crazy about selling and rebuilding.