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sting101
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It's actually gonna be funny seeing how the perception of Cozens will change
Senators made a great trade getting another C/RW in behind Stutzle to help insulate him and keep them fast and strong down the spine
Us on the other hand went from people taking notice with Horvat Miller Pettersson to now a team stuck in purgatory until they change it
Senators made a great trade getting another C/RW in behind Stutzle to help insulate him and keep them fast and strong down the spine
Us on the other hand went from people taking notice with Horvat Miller Pettersson to now a team stuck in purgatory until they change it
As far as we know, management has done the following re Boeser:
-offered him an objectively reasonable 5 x 8 contract
-tested the trade market and declined to sell the player at below fair value
-publicly disclosed that the trade market was not offering fair value (which is actually complimenting the player if anything, not denigrating him), signaling to the player that he is potentially over-valuing himself
-continues to discuss re-signing with Boeser's camp
I don't get what's so offensive about any of this. Everybody here seems to either want Boeser back on a fair contract or moved for a good return, but we aren't getting cooperation from the player or the trade market to make these things happen. What is PA supposed to do?
-offered him an objectively reasonable 5 x 8 contract
-tested the trade market and declined to sell the player at below fair value
-publicly disclosed that the trade market was not offering fair value (which is actually complimenting the player if anything, not denigrating him), signaling to the player that he is potentially over-valuing himself
-continues to discuss re-signing with Boeser's camp
I don't get what's so offensive about any of this. Everybody here seems to either want Boeser back on a fair contract or moved for a good return, but we aren't getting cooperation from the player or the trade market to make these things happen. What is PA supposed to do?
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i'm not a boeser fan but he legitimately might be the best player available to vancouver on the market
at center they're either going to have to convince bennett to sign here or settle for someone like nelson, tavares, gourde or giroux
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I’d feel better about yesterday if they come out with just a single addition.
Like if they add Norris… then they end the season with Chytil, Norris, and Lekkerimaki in your top nine replacing Miller, Heinen, Sprong from what we started with.
Suter - Norris - Brock
DeBrusk - Petey - Lekkerimaki
Joshua - Chytil - Garland
Sherwood - Blueger - Hogs
And they’ve added a guy who makes QH happy and used some of the cap they’ve banked. Obviously it doesn’t make up for the loss of Miller, but at least youre looking at something that’s… something.
And then you factor in M Petey, D Petey, Willander all replacing Soucy, Desharnais, Forbort… it’s a pretty understandable outcome given the stupidity of what we went through.
But doing nothing just sucks man. Im not here to say oh well we could/should have outbid Buffalo. Im just saying they picked a certain path when they could have hard pivoted beginning at the 21-22 deadline and we ALL said that path requires them to work miracles frequently.
They did that in 23-24. They didn’t do that in 22-23. They didn’t do that this year. It’s a results business. I gave them a big break for the bs miller stuff that happened this year and EP’s falling off, Soucy, Demko’s body over the past year.. how could they have predicted all that? But regardless, doing more was necessary and they know that.
You give them until the end of 2025, 4 years for rutherford, to see where they’re at. Is Hughes happy? Have they made meaningful changes?
It’s simply a results business. I don’t see how that’s angry or emotional. Average management or slightly above average management wasn’t going to ever turn around this team. We all knew that. It’s a cope to now shift the bar.
Like if they add Norris… then they end the season with Chytil, Norris, and Lekkerimaki in your top nine replacing Miller, Heinen, Sprong from what we started with.
Suter - Norris - Brock
DeBrusk - Petey - Lekkerimaki
Joshua - Chytil - Garland
Sherwood - Blueger - Hogs
And they’ve added a guy who makes QH happy and used some of the cap they’ve banked. Obviously it doesn’t make up for the loss of Miller, but at least youre looking at something that’s… something.
And then you factor in M Petey, D Petey, Willander all replacing Soucy, Desharnais, Forbort… it’s a pretty understandable outcome given the stupidity of what we went through.
But doing nothing just sucks man. Im not here to say oh well we could/should have outbid Buffalo. Im just saying they picked a certain path when they could have hard pivoted beginning at the 21-22 deadline and we ALL said that path requires them to work miracles frequently.
They did that in 23-24. They didn’t do that in 22-23. They didn’t do that this year. It’s a results business. I gave them a big break for the bs miller stuff that happened this year and EP’s falling off, Soucy, Demko’s body over the past year.. how could they have predicted all that? But regardless, doing more was necessary and they know that.
You give them until the end of 2025, 4 years for rutherford, to see where they’re at. Is Hughes happy? Have they made meaningful changes?
It’s simply a results business. I don’t see how that’s angry or emotional. Average management or slightly above average management wasn’t going to ever turn around this team. We all knew that. It’s a cope to now shift the bar.
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But the truth is, having spoken with sources, that there were good teams interested in Boeser. Teams like the Florida Panthers and Carolina Hurricanes.
Florida’s interest waned once they discovered they could get Brad Marchand for just a conditional first round pick — it becomes a second rounder if the currently injured Marchand plays in less than 50 per cent of Florida’s playoff games.*
The Carolina talks were surely hampered by the reality that Hurricanes GM Eric Tulsky laid out during his post deadline press conference, that the Dallas Stars dragging their feet on the Mikko Rantanen trade ended up limiting Carolina’s ability to make subsequent deals.
Carolina, a source said, had been trying to move Jesperi Kotkaniemi for some time. And obviously adding a centre like Logan Stankoven made Kotkaniemi even more tradable. We know he’s been offered to Vancouver before and Vancouver does need to improve its centre depth after the departure of J.T. Miller. He was involved in this offer, as was a first-round pick.
The hang up it would seem may have come down to a prospect. Carolina was after one of Vancouver’s, even though Canucks have a mountain of their own. And whoever it was, it seems like Vancouver didn’t want to part with him.
*Florida also has to win 2 rounds for it to become a 1st
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There is no advantage for Brock to sign in Van without testing the waters. If he’s not getting a max term deal then there isn’t really a negative in hitting the market.
If the market says he a 6 year max at $8 mill then that’s The market for him.
They are obviously trying to resign him at a number that makes sense for the team. Negotiations sometimes take time. It is a calculated risk that may or may not play out.
I disagree that "if the number is too high, it is going to stay too high." The point of negotiating is to try and get him at a better number. I guess we'll see if he gets less than $8m x 5/6 or not.
I agree that the PR and Comms in general this year has been terrible, but I'm not surprised by Alvin's messaging. He's a stoic Swede and similar to Rutherford, tells it like it is.
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passing on this deal (if the info is legit) seems like an incredible misstep. even if it was like the dallas 2026 1st and kk for boeser and willander i would have been all over this. kk isn't the top 6 c they need but his deal is great for a 3c and the 1st would have given them ammo to go after another center in the summer. kk would have been a nice piece to have for the playoff drive too
losing a prospect would hurt but willander seems much less important with hughes, marcus pettersson, hronek and myers all signed for the next two years and elias nils pettersson, kudryavtsev and mynio all tracking well and there's no one else that comes close to the value of that 1st
I guess this is where we disagree because I think this is a bad deal for us
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You’d have to be 10 shades of mental to have accepted KK and a late 2026 for Boeser and Willander.
Jesus Christ.
I wanted Boeser traded because I don’t want to re-sign him for what it will take.
But I’d rather him walk for nothing than accept that deal.
Even Benning wouldn’t make it.
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I wouldn’t do a 2026 1st and KK for Willander alone. Hell you could throw a random third asset in and it’s still a no.
Yup. If we made that deal, this forum would be a f***ing warzone right now hahahahaha.
LMAO.
Absolutely hilarious "analysis" from you.
Every management team makes mistakes. You sign or trade for a player and you hope it works out but it doesn't always work out. Last year, things went swimmingly and they nailed almost every transaction. Identifying the mistakes that they made (Kuzmenko, Mikheyev, Heinen, Desharnais) and quickly moving on from them is not taking accountability?
What world do you live in? Do you expect management to be perfect and bat 100%? The fact that there's people liking your posts too... oh my. What kind of parallel universe are we in?
Boeser: "I got to play better" *Continues to suck*
ACCOUNTABILITY!
Management: Makes mistakes and then remediates them as soon as possible.
NOT ACCOUNTABILITY!
Make it make sense man - please.
Re Contract: Boeser was reportedly disrespected and insulted by the initial offer of $8M x 5 years, for someone who is on pace for 55 points/82 games this year. It's been reported that his camp hasn't been willing to negotiate and extension talks have gotten nowhere. I can't tell you exactly what the numbers are obviously, but $8M x 5 years is hardly a disrespectful first offer - it's more than fair for his current performance. Dhaliwal also reported that Canucks touchbased couple days ago with Boeser's camp, again with no progress or willingness to engage from their camp. Hey man, if you're not following the news cycle - that's on you. Go do some reading.
Absolutely. They are just doing their jobs.
People are are so soft on the players it's ridiculous. I don't know why they feel the need to coddle the players. I guess for some fans, it's easier to just point at the management as an outlet to release their emotions instead of doing some analysis or deep dive into the situation.
The fact is that if Boeser was playing well this year, the extension would have been signed months ago and this wouldn't have been an issue.
It’s crazy how you can talk yourself so hard into believing Willander is a nothing prospect to the point you think giving him away is the thing we should do. wtf
I'm not arguing that there is no risk in him signing elsewhere. Obviously there is.
What I am saying is that the risk could be worth it if we can sign him at a reasonable number.
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Nice work by Peej to get the scoop!
You get the sense Carolina always tries to fleece teams. KK is a negative value asset - him and a 1st for Boeser would have enraged me, let alone throwing in another prospect.
You get the sense Carolina always tries to fleece teams. KK is a negative value asset - him and a 1st for Boeser would have enraged me, let alone throwing in another prospect.
The next important step is we don’t fall into sunk cost fallacy and spend $11-12M on Boeser and Suter. Suter in particular if he’s asking for 3M+ should be thanked for his services and moved on from. Under no circumstance should we re sign Boeser.
Forbort I have no issues re signing for depth at $1.5M.
Forbort I have no issues re signing for depth at $1.5M.
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Oh it's a garbage deal for us. If we are trading Willander not that we should it has to be for a young center with top six upside (Mctavish, Sillinger, Wright, Kulich). Or in a bigger package for someone like Byfield, Thomas or someone in that regard.
Under no circumstance should we resign Boeser? Seriously?
ephmrl
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This is your craziest post since you compared Hronek to Tyler Myers when we traded for him
I’m not a KK fan but I think he’s probably neutral to slightly positive value now with expected cap inflation and only being tied to him until he’s 29.
I’d have done it if the prospect was someone like Raty, but not for any of the team’s top four defensive prospects or Lekkerimaki.
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