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[ephmrl]

I’m not a KK fan but I think he’s probably neutral to slightly positive value now with expected cap inflation and only being tied to him until he’s 29.

I’d have done it if the prospect was someone like Raty, but not for any of the team’s top four defensive prospects or Lekkerimaki.

I'd rather just re-sign Suter for 3.5-4m than have KK on the team

 

[Bleach Clean]

As far as we know, management has done the following re Boeser:
-offered him an objectively reasonable 5 x 8 contract
-tested the trade market and declined to sell the player at below fair value
-publicly disclosed that the trade market was not offering fair value (which is actually complimenting the player if anything, not denigrating him), signaling to the player that he is potentially over-valuing himself
-continues to discuss re-signing with Boeser's camp

I don't get what's so offensive about any of this. Everybody here seems to either want Boeser back on a fair contract or moved for a good return, but we aren't getting cooperation from the player or the trade market to make these things happen. What is PA supposed to do?

He's supposed to make a decision amidst a dilemma. (And that's if you even believe Boeser had less value than Beauvillier)

GMs do this all the time by the deadline. Why can't Allvin?

 

[LemonSauceD]

Under no circumstance should we resign Boeser? Seriously?

What are the reasons for re signing him?

 

[kanucks25]

passing on this deal (if the info is legit) seems like an incredible misstep. even if it was like the dallas 2026 1st and kk for boeser and willander i would have been all over this. kk isn't the top 6 c they need but his deal is great for a 3c and the 1st would have given them ammo to go after another center in the summer. kk would have been a nice piece to have for the playoff drive too

losing a prospect would hurt but willander seems much less important with hughes, marcus pettersson, hronek and myers all signed for the next two years and elias nils pettersson, kudryavtsev and mynio all tracking well and there's no one else that comes close to the value of that 1st

@Vector this has to be a violation of the no trolling rule right... Right?

 

[Jerry the great]

I wouldn’t do a 2026 1st and KK for Willander alone. Hell you could throw a random third asset in and it’s still a no.

This is Tulsky channeling his inner Billy Beane, trying to get Alvin to just throw in a prospect they like to get the deal over the finish line.

I don't mind Kotkaniemi as a target, but just leave all the clutter out of the deal. Boeser for Kotkaniemi.

 

[kanucks25]

This is Tulsky channeling his inner Billy Beane, trying to get Alvin to just throw in a prospect they like to get the deal over the finish line.

I don't mind Kotkaniemi as a target, but just leave all the clutter out of the deal. Boeser for Kotkaniemi.

Why on earth do we want a lefty 3C with almost 5m x 5y* left on his deal?

I wouldn't take him for free, rather have the open cap space.

 

[Vector]

@Vector this has to be a violation of the no trolling rule right... Right?

cred has maybe the most out there player evaluations of anyone who posts on this forum. I'll give them a tonne of credit for having unique opinions.

 

[I am toxic]

Rutherford and Alwvin have done some good work, their hits outweighing their misses

But what they truly excel at is . . .

(yeah, that's Cammi on the left)

 

[DiggerDan]

What are the reasons for re signing him?

He is a 28 year old proven 40-goal scoring, defensively reliable locker room leader and all- star. He has had a terrible year, but we know this is his potential. These types of players do not grow on trees.

 

[Kryten]

cred has maybe the most out there player evaluations of anyone who posts on this forum. I'll give them a tonne of credit for having unique opinions.

Its credulous, not credible

 

[David Bruce Banner]

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That gif needs to be updated with Sopel's face.

 

[quat]

passing on this deal (if the info is legit) seems like an incredible misstep. even if it was like the dallas 2026 1st and kk for boeser and willander i would have been all over this. kk isn't the top 6 c they need but his deal is great for a 3c and the 1st would have given them ammo to go after another center in the summer. kk would have been a nice piece to have for the playoff drive too

losing a prospect would hurt but willander seems much less important with hughes, marcus pettersson, hronek and myers all signed for the next two years and elias nils pettersson, kudryavtsev and mynio all tracking well and there's no one else that comes close to the value of that 1st

With Willander tracking reasonably well, along with a first round pick for KK is absurdly poor and is worse than doing nothing with Boeser and he walks.

Maybe the Canucks not trading Boeser will somehow convince him the team wants him, and that he's overvaluing his market value, and he ends up signing a deal the Canucks are comfortable with. This seems unlikely because, it's more likely another team may be a better fit and they can/will offer more. Or maybe they can sign and trade him, but that also seems unlikely.

 

[Bleach Clean]

They are obviously trying to resign him at a number that makes sense for the team. Negotiations sometimes take time. It is a calculated risk that may or may not play out.

I disagree that "if the number is too high, it is going to stay too high." The point of negotiating is to try and get him at a better number. I guess we'll see if he gets less than $8m x 5/6 or not.

I agree that the PR and Comms in general this year has been terrible, but I'm not surprised by Alvin's messaging. He's a stoic Swede and similar to Rutherford, tells it like it is.

Boeser was willing to risk a trade with that tabled offer of $8m AAV over 5 yrs. Why would he take less than this given a stronger position?

More than likely, the team is going to have to increase the term. If so, they should have done it well before the TDL.

Instead, they tried to leverage Brock's love for the market against him in a game of chicken, and they turned first. Now they're chasing.

JR/Allvin are awfully blunt about everything that doesn't concern their own performance.

 

[Jerry the great]

Why on earth do we want a lefty 3C with almost 5m x 3y left on his deal?

I wouldn't take him for free, rather have the open cap space.

well it's 5 years left @ $4.82 and I think he's a good #3 C (2C upside) with size, wheels and grit. He's also young enough that there should be some upside and getting him out of Carolina may unlock that.

 

[arttk]

Nice work by Peej to get the scoop!

You get the sense Carolina always tries to fleece teams. KK is a negative value asset - him and a 1st for Boeser would have enraged me, let alone throwing in another prospect.

That’s why the Canes can go f*** themselves.

Also love how they tried to get Marner for Ratanen. The odds of them retaining Marner is like way lower, that man wants all the money.

 

[DiggerDan]

Boeser was willing to risk a trade with that tabled offer of $8m AAV over 5 yrs. Why would he take less than this given a stronger position?

More than likely, the team is going to have to increase the term. If so, they should have done it well before the TDL.

Instead, they tried to leverage Brock's love for the market against him in a game of chicken, and they turned first. Now they're chasing.

JR/Allvin are awfully blunt about everything that doesn't concern their own performance.

I'm not suggesting he'll take less than that. I do think that there is now a greater chance that he will take that or what management feels is a fair deal for the team. Maybe it is an extra year, I dont honestly know. We also don't know what Brock's agent has asked for.

It's a calculated risk, no doubt, but I understand it from the teams perspective.

 

[Nuckles]

Next year's lower bowl season ticket prices are up over 40% from the 23-24 season

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Looking back with hindsight

Tulsky really f***ed up badly

A contender losing Necas for only Stankoven to show for right now

 

[arttk]

Next year's lower bowl season ticket prices are up over 40% from the 23-24 season

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18k for season tickets is wild

 

[LemonSauceD]

He is a 28 year old proven 40-goal scoring, defensively reliable locker room leader and all- star. He has had a terrible year, but we know this is his potential. These types of players do not grow on trees.

On the contrary, he’s a slow skating forward who’s largely been ineffective away from a play driving power forward who did 80% of the heavy lifting for him at even strength and on his line. He’s unable to create offense on his own. He’s been largely inconsistent in his play, especially in the defensive department where it looked like he seemingly had started to figure it out, and has only really had 1 good year out of the last 4 which includes this season.

Boeser has a special place in my heart because he was truly one of the first players that brought back excitement not only to me but to thousands of us watching him play as a rookie and giving us hope that there was light at the end of the tunnel. That said, I can also understand that his importance to this team 8 years later is very much debateable as it relates to the cap, performance, and overall quality. Allocating $8M to a player with his sort of deficiencies has the potential to cripple any sort of chance to bring in an impact needle mover which this team is in dire need of and is the sort of mushy middle move that hinders this team ability to improve.

 

[thecupismine]

Next year's lower bowl season ticket prices are up over 40% from the 23-24 season

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Even if you look at someone raking in the money at 300k+ per year, I don’t know how you can justify buying a pair of seats for ~20k once you account for taxes.

I love hockey, but f*** that if I was making that I’d rather go on a couple nice vacations and watch on a big screen at home.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Just checked in on what the Canucks did at the deadline and saw they did absolutely nothing except trade Soucy.

I mean, my interest in this team is just evaporating. There's absolutely nothing to cling to. At least during the Benning years I clung to the future when we had Bowser, Pettersson and Hughes as core prospects/young players. Well we know the fate of that core now. And management seems content spinning their wheels...

I'm getting too old for this, man. If this is how it's going to be then whatever. I have a lot of other things I'm interested in.

You are getting too old for this. Quit while your ahead and pick a hobby, as I did during the bleakest years in recent memory.

 

[StreetHawk]

Looking back with hindsight

Tulsky really f***ed up badly

A contender losing Necas for only Stankoven to show for right now

Carolina if you’re going to make the Rant deal you do so with the expectation that you may not extend him. To the flip Necas and drury for Stank thus Po run sends what message to your core group?

 

[andora]

passing on this deal (if the info is legit) seems like an incredible misstep. even if it was like the dallas 2026 1st and kk for boeser and willander i would have been all over this. kk isn't the top 6 c they need but his deal is great for a 3c and the 1st would have given them ammo to go after another center in the summer. kk would have been a nice piece to have for the playoff drive too

losing a prospect would hurt but willander seems much less important with hughes, marcus pettersson, hronek and myers all signed for the next two years and elias nils pettersson, kudryavtsev and mynio all tracking well and there's no one else that comes close to the value of that 1st

No disrespect but that is a directionless trade if i have ever seen one

 

[Bleach Clean]

I'm not suggesting he'll take less than that. I do think that there is now a greater chance that he will take that or what management feels is a fair deal for the team. Maybe it is an extra year, I dont honestly know. We also don't know what Brock's agent has asked for.

It's a calculated risk, no doubt, but I understand it from the teams perspective.

What management feels is a fair deal is likely to lean toward what the Boeser camp wants or has wanted (term).

Allvin will increase the term and sell it as "6/7 years was fair to us".

I am glad though that Boeser has a greater chance at remaining a Canuck.