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[SopelFanThe3rd]

He's also a life long Bruin and despite not having a full NMC, they probably traded him under those parameters.

Bruh I'm just trying to be positive :*(

 

[SopelFanThe3rd]

I for one am happy Suter and Forbort are still here. If we want any success this year our PK is gonna be a big part of that.

I haven't decided what to think about Boeser.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

It’s more like you shouldn’t do it if the assets you get back is crap.

Without knowing what was offered that's pretty hard to say.

If the best offer is a 3rd, then sure the "self-rental" make sense.
If the offer was a 1st and a B prospect, but Allvin wanted a young, cost control center, then he blew it big time.

What do you think was more likely on a day that Beauvillier, Brandon Tanev, and Luke Schenn gets 2nd round picks, that not a single team offered more for Boeser? I think that's impossible.

 

[SopelFanThe3rd]

Also I'm gonna try and do my best to enjoy the last 20 games cuz I know in the summer I'll be pining for hockey to be back for months.

Excited to see Lekkerimaki, EP2 and Willander hopefully.

 

[arttk]

Without knowing what was offered that's pretty hard to say.

If the best offer is a 3rd, then sure the "self-rental" make sense.
If the offer was a 1st and a B prospect, but Allvin wanted a young, cost control center, then he blew it big time.

What do you think was more likely on a day that Beauvillier, Brandon Tanev, and Luke Schenn gets 2nd round picks, that not a single team offered more for Boeser? I think that's impossible.

I mean it doesn’t sound like we got offered even a 1st.

I’ve repeated this, no winger outside of Ratanen got a 1st in return. Rakell was the better winger available and nobody pony up to pay for him as well. The only thing I gleam from all the trades is, 2nd rounders are worth crap this year so GMs spent it as such and nobody wanted to trade 1sts unless it’s a premium position.

 

[StreetHawk]

It doesn’t matter if nobody is willing to pay up.

I don’t get you guys arguing that we should ask for a price that nobody is willing to pay. That doesn’t do anything, that doesn’t change the fact nobody wants to pay. That’s the damn point.

Of the PO seeded teams only win, Wash, car, LA and CBJ held onto their first. Cal would owe theirs to Mon. NYR to Pitt via Van.
6 clubs in Edm, Col, Dallas, Tor, TB, Fla already moved their ‘26 first.

If you are not in a PO now you are not moving your ‘26 first. So down to Min, LV, NJ and the borderline WC teams. Clubs would move their 25 over 26 pick.

 

[ProviesGhost]

Also I'm gonna try and do my best to enjoy the last 20 games cuz I know in the summer I'll be pining for hockey to be back for months.

Excited to see Lekkerimaki, EP2 and Willander hopefully.

Your positivity is *sexy*

 

[arttk]

Of the PO seeded teams only win, Wash, car, LA and CBJ held onto their first. Cal would owe theirs to Mon. NYR to Pitt via Van.
6 clubs in Edm, Col, Dallas, Tor, TB, Fla already moved their ‘26 first.

If you are not in a PO now you are not moving your ‘26 first. So down to Min, LV, NJ and the borderline WC teams. Clubs would move their 25 over 26 pick.

That doesn’t change the fact the teams that moved their 1st moved it for a premium position or did it earlier to save their seasons.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canucks-trade-deadline-approach-benning-short-term

 

[Diablo2020]

I just want to call it today.

Lafreniere for everything we have at the draft

Then Boeser goes to NYR as a UFA.

Rags turn Laf and his 7 mill into Boeser at 7 plus Mynio/Kudryatsev and all our picks.

This is the way.

 

[StreetHawk]

That doesn’t change the fact the teams that moved their 1st moved it for a premium position or did it earlier to save their seasons.

I agree. Just pointing out the remaining clubs and it does take 2 to make a deal. And Brock didn’t fit what they wanted. Brock isn’t having a great season either.

 

[JT Milker]

i didn't want them to move soucy. i wanted them to add. it's a weak draft year so tanking is pointless

if they'd sold i would have been surprised but not really unhappy pending seeing what they do at the draft and over the summer. if they turned those assets into a couple good forwards then it would have been worth it

what's intolerable is them continuing to refuse to pick a direction. either get aggressive about competing or get smart about hoarding assets to do it later. this middle road thing is just mediocrity

Ok man.

 

[krutovsdonut]

I don't care what side you're on but Allvin saying essentially that Boeser sucks and noone wanted him doesn't do anyone any favors. Just a super odd thing to say...

i think he is feeling the burn hard for him to throw boeser under the bus multiple ways. he was embarrassed not to make any deals and maybe mad at boeser over something or he'd have kept his cool and taken the high road.

 

[credulous]

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Ok man.

you got me. what a hypocrite i am

oh what's that? want doesn't mean should?

 

[BluesyShoes]

I don't care what side you're on but Allvin saying essentially that Boeser sucks and noone wanted him doesn't do anyone any favors. Just a super odd thing to say...

It is the truth, though. This is how I imagine it went down:

Allvin offered a contract Boeser's camp probably found too low, maybe even insulting.

They couldn't find common ground, so Allvin said "we'll deal you then, but we need to get value back if we are going to hurt our chances of competing this year, the price is a pick and a prospect, that's where we value you" That all sounds hunky dory to Boeser's camp, pick and prospect is likely in proportion or maybe less than where they think their salary demands are.


Then, no offers around the league come close, Allvin returns "no one wanted you for a pick and a prospect, the best we got is low pick, which at best is a player 4-5 years away from helping the team. We value your next 20 games more than that, which is apparently more than the rest of the league thinks of you. Our offer remains the same. It might not be there in the summer, depending how your next 20 go, but I think we both know where we value you and where the league values you."

He's basically saying the same thing to the media. Why should he take the fall for Boeser's camp over-valueing him and rejecting the Canucks offer?

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Throwing Boeser under the bus, previously telling his agent he can look for a trade themselves, lowballing him in contract negotiations, trying to trade him but not getting what you want to try and go back to re-sign him.

Is like signing EP, throwing him under the bus for his play when he’s clearly injured, have your other star forward berate him to play better when you know that doesn’t work, try to trade EP, change their mind, change their mind again only to be left with no option but to keep him and hope he turns things around.

What a f***ing gong show.

Who’s next on the list?

 

[SopelFanThe3rd]

Your positivity is *sexy*

I'm shedding my clothes with the negativity.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I'm shedding my clothes with the negativity.

Careful. It’s cold outside.

 

[RealGudbranson]

I simply don’t understand the outrage over Alvin’s comments on the offers for Boeser. Seems forced.

His value in trade for a non-futures deal does not equate in any manner with to what teams could offer him as a UFA.

Essentially Allvin is saying Boeser is worth more than what was being offered, by a limited number of teams.

Seems like a lot of people are trying to create a story where the only story actually available is that the Nucks didnt want to sell for futures.

 

[Rick Rocket]

I mean it doesn’t sound like we got offered even a 1st.

I’ve repeated this, no winger outside of Ratanen got a 1st in return. Rakell was the better winger available and nobody pony up to pay for him as well. The only thing I gleam from all the trades is, 2nd rounders are worth crap this year so GMs spent it as such and nobody wanted to trade 1sts unless it’s a premium position.

I think you are saying that wingers aren't a valued position.

Your example of a winger in Rantanen got a package of 1st, 1st, 3rd, 3rd and a stud in Stankoven.

Wingers with significantly less value than Boeser fetched a 2nd.

Defensemen of Boeser's value fetched a 1st/1st+.

However you believe this indicates that Boeser wouldn't fetch a 1st?

Just because a deal doesn't get done doesn't mean a 1st wasn't offered. You don't know that a 1st wasn't offered for Rakell, just like you don't know that for Boeser.

I'd say it's far more likely that Allvin did not want to trade Brock unless it was for something substantially more than a 1st. I trust what I see far more than what someone in his position who was unsuccessful today would say in a presser.

 

[Michael Dal Swolle]

Wonder if this result makes Boeser think twice about turning down that 8 x 5. Doesn't exactly suggest that the demand for his services will be huge come July 1

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Wonder if this result makes Boeser think twice about turning down that 8 x 5. Doesn't exactly suggest that the demand for his services will be huge come July 1

Very doubtful.

Teams just didn’t want to pay anything of substance when they can get him for free in the summer.

Plus, everyone will have lots more cap to work with.

Teams go crazy July 1.

He will get $8M for 7yrs.

 

[alternate]

Irritating TDL but I'm over it. Would have been more pissed if they had dealt Boeser for anything less than a 1st + prospect or equivalent with 2 prospects. If Boeser got dealt, I would have been ok with a 2nd for Suter, but with Boeser still here, rather self-rent Suter for a playoff push.

But then I'd liked to have added something. A RHC or at least some who is good on the dot would have been nice. But no interest in giving up a 1st for a rental, or a 2nd for Beaulivier or whatever, so not really mad.

Optics of BB still here + tons of cap space + a retention spot is bad, but making trades because optics is worse.

I do get the frustration about how today went, but the "rudderless" type laments i don't really get. For next year, we will have $13m or whatever it ultimately is to spend on 2 forwards. Defense is set and should be strong. Question marks in goal, but potentially very good, and worst case Lankinen is a good start towards a good pairing. Forward depth looks good, especially if Joshua and Hoglander get back to last year's level.

Just need to build a top 6. Obviously this starts and ends with EP getting his game back. I think he'll have a big bounce back season, so I can be optimistic about this forward group.

Need Lekkerimaki to be able to contribute in a top 6 role, even if not game in, game out over 82 games. Then that $13ish million needs to fill a C spot (top 6/9 to complement Chytil in the middle 6) and a top line W.

Obviously these aren't easy pieces to acquire, but f0r the first time in a minute, we've actually got the cap space to take advantage of opportunities that present themselves. Now I want to see this team have their best 20 game stretch of the season and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

I mean it doesn’t sound like we got offered even a 1st.

I’ve repeated this, no winger outside of Ratanen got a 1st in return. Rakell was the better winger available and nobody pony up to pay for him as well. The only thing I gleam from all the trades is, 2nd rounders are worth crap this year so GMs spent it as such and nobody wanted to trade 1sts unless it’s a premium position.

Rantanen went for 2 x 1st, 2x 2nd and Stankoven. Beauvillier went for a 2nd. If you assume Boeser is a mid point between the 2, then logic dictate he should've return a 1st +.

Just because no other wingers moved for a 1st today, doesn't mean Boeser shouldn't fetch one. Washington really rather spend a 2nd on Beauvillier instead of a 1st for Boeser? Or Allvin overplayed his hand, or insist on a young cost control center, thus killing his market?

 

[TruGr1t]

The more I think about this, and especially following Allvin's broadside idiotic comments basically all day, the more pissed off I'm becoming.

They are literally working against themselves here. They have substantially narrowed their available window to keep Hughes on both a time and asset basis, have basically shit-talked Boeser out of town by saying the league views him as having little value and they AGREE since they have broadly hinted he is not worth the contract he is requesting (despite somehow trying to argue keeping him for this shit 20-game window somehow has some value ... actually they haven't really even argued this now I think about it ... this is more a talking point of people defending this BS on this board), and have now manuevered themselves into a window where they have to rely fully on free agency to try and ice a moderatly competitive team next year (given their obvious refusal to move any top prospects in a deal whatsoever and lack of any trade pieces that have any value ... which is something they have outright admitted in press conferences).

These guys need to take a class on negotiation or something because they have suceeded mightly in tanking the value of bascially every asset they have outside of Hughes, the assets they have traded they've gotten broadly shit returns for, and they have repeatedly stated they will not move any assets other teams view as having value. Like what are you doing here outside of outright negotiating against yourself in public.

They are going to continue to get taken to the woodshed on trades because every time they speak they seem to be functionally Pejorative Slured. Allvin is also in the process of getting absolutely taken to the woodshed by Sat of all people on his ass-backward talking points, who has historically been one of the biggest apologists in the market.