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[wonton15]

He doesn’t even make sense half the time and makes contradicting statements in the same interview.

He just loves to put the blame around on others.

I honestly don’t think Allvin is an idiot and legitimately dumb like Jim Benning was. I think Aquilini was legitimately meddling here which is why Allvin is talking in circles.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Because this draft sucks and non 1st rounder has little value.

Players of value have been acquired at the draft utilizing 2nd round picks many times. Acquiring pick(s) for Boeser also could make it easier to move our own 1st for something of value.

Instead we’re self renting a player they have little interest in keeping in a season we have less than 50% chance of making the playoffs and ultimately getting killed at best.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I honestly don’t think Allvin is an idiot and legitimately dumb like Jim Benning was. I think Aquilini was legitimately meddling here which is why Allvin is talking in circles.

People need to stop going to games.

f*** Aqua.

I want rows and rows of empty seats next year.

 

[Diablo2020]

I can’t wait to miss out on Ehlers, sign Nyquist and Donato, have Boeser and Suter walk, miss the playoffs again, have Hughes walk, and hire the next retool GM -> repeat!

The 25 year retool

We wont lose Quinn Hughes he's going to Buffalo for Rasmus Dahlin this offseason.

Hughes and Josh Norris will change the culture in Buffalo while they wait for Brady to be a UFA.

Canucks will pay Rasmus and Elias 22.6 million dollars to wilt under the Vancouver pressure.

Then we start the next 25 yr rebuild.

 

[LemonSauceD]

I honestly don’t think Allvin is an idiot and legitimately dumb like Jim Benning was. I think Aquilini was legitimately meddling here which is why Allvin is talking in circles.

I mean I get that in regards to selling our UFA’s.

But to not at least make a move that aligns with the “bigger picture” is crazy to me ie a top 6 player like Kyrou or something as an example. If you’re gonna retain your UFA’s and try and compete, you need to at least make a move or something the help the team now.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I don't care what side you're on but Allvin saying essentially that Boeser sucks and noone wanted him doesn't do anyone any favors. Just a super odd thing to say...

The only time I would have applauded that is if the goal was now to re-sign him after this year, which is more consistently the player he has been throughout his career. But who knows for sure I don’t, I don’t think anyone posting here does.

 

[arttk]

There was never any chance we sold at this deadline.

However, the idea that we "couldn't have sold, no other franchise in all of sports would have done anything other than exactly what we did and it's all video games to think otherwise " nonsense is as stupid now as it always has been. I hate Carolina for how cheap and annoying they are, and if I were a fan I'd be really annoyed how they won't commit to a run and they're content being a 2nd round exit every year forever instead of loading up, but they've been doing all the "video game" things for almost a decade and are one of the most successful teams in that time span.

The idea that every team ever would be as short sighted as us is just verifiably wrong.

Carolina saw that Necas was 90% leaving and converted him into Stank and two 1sts and they probably would have flipped some of their voluminous prospects and non-1sts for upgrades if they had more time. They sucked up all Necas' cheap RFA years and then sold him right before his massive UFA payday for a player delivering value on his ELC and two firsts.

Nothing has changed about Boeser's situation since mgmt got here 3 years ago, they clearly don't want to extend him and if they end up doing it that's not their first choice which speaks volumes, and we're going to watch him walk for nothing.

Carolina in our shoes would have traded him at least two years ago and had new young players or assets in the bank to flip.

Canucks in their shoes would have hung on to Necas until next year and then let him walk.

I think Carolina is a different case, they need a superstar to uplevel and they took that chance probably thinking they would be able to extend him. I don’t think they would’ve done the trade over again if they knew they couldn’t extend him. They just gambled and lost and decided to get some value back at the very least.

Also Necas was super certain to leave, like he did not want to stay at all. That changes things knowing you have a guy that is going to leave 100%z

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

You keep Boeser if it’s like the Jets and Ehlers.

Legit SC contenders.

This team likely doesn’t even make the playoffs.

Absolute donkeys.

 

[dwarf]

Well todays inactivity tells me a lot about where this team is at. Obviously little francis has to have his playoff money if he can get it, and that is all that matters.

We are hoping for Demko to get healthy and hot for the playoffs, and try to recover enough at the draft and UFA to get bums into the seats next year.

Deadline fails like this is why the team in not in contention today.

 

[David71]

what a joke of an organization. could have traded boeser for a 1st and prospect. carolina was interested when they offloaded mika rantanen. fire everyone. new coach new gm new owner too f***ing aquallini. 2 playoff dates If they make it to get stomped by winnipeg? suter/forbert/boeser gonna walk.

 

[ephmrl]

There is zero incentive, other than purely financial, for any FA to come here.

That ship has sailed.

having one of the best players in the NHL pass them pucks, a popular coaching staff amongst players, and being one of the most beautiful cities in the world are pretty solid incentives besides the money.

 

[Rick Rocket]

Problem is what happened today doesn’t support that. No teams payed a 1st for a winger outside of Rantanen. Even Marchand is like conditional and pushed out to like 2028.

While there wasn't strictly "one player for one 1st" outside of Marchand, I think you can easily decipher that many trades indicate his trade value is that of a 1st.

In a different deadline, maybe not.

 

[arttk]

Players of value have been acquired at the draft utilizing 2nd round picks many times. Acquiring pick(s) for Boeser also could make it easier to move our own 1st for something of value.

Instead we’re self renting a player they have little interest in keeping in a season we have less than 50% chance of making the playoffs and ultimately getting killed at best.

Like I said, in previous years yeah. But looking at the TDL this year, 2nd rounders don’t have as much value.

Iprevious years’ 2nd rounders have 15% or whatever chance to get a NHLer.
If a player in previous years cost you 2 2nd rounders with each 2nd rounder give you 15%, the value is not the 2 2nd rounders, it’s the 2 x 15%.

This year it’s suppose to be so weak that the 1st round is like 12 deep and everything after is like good f***ing luck. If GMs sees this years 2nd round having less than 5% chance of turning out NHLers, then giving up 2 2nd rounders aren’t going to get you the same player this year because you are essentially giving 2x <5% vs 2x 15%.

 

[D0ctorCool]

having one of the best players in the NHL pass them pucks, a popular coaching staff amongst players, and being one of the most beautiful cities in the world are pretty solid incentives besides the money.

Going back 20 years, the list of notable free agents to sign here is extremely underwhelming.

 

[ephmrl]

what a joke of an organization. could have traded boeser for a 1st and prospect. carolina was interested when they offloaded mika rantanen. fire everyone. new coach new gm new owner too f***ing aquallini. 2 playoff dates If they make it to get stomped by winnipeg? suter/forbert/boeser gonna walk.

People keep mentioning this but has this been confirmed by a single insider?

I get being frustrated, but people are making up imaginary scenarios in their minds and are getting mad that the team never made a deal that was potentially not even on the table.

 

[mriswith]

I think Carolina is a different case, they need a superstar to uplevel and they took that chance probably thinking they would be able to extend him. I don’t think they would’ve done the trade over again if they knew they couldn’t extend him. They just gambled and lost and decided to get some value back at the very least.

Also Necas was super certain to leave, like he did not want to stay at all. That changes things knowing you have a guy that is going to leave 100%z

He was super certain to leave because he wants to get paid max value, Carolina are the biggest misers in the league, and both sides knew the others position on money made the relationship untenable.

We'll never know what Carolina's #1 choice would have been but at the end of the day they didn't let either Necas or Rant go for free and walked away with a contributing ELC and two 1sts.

There's absolutely zero chance that Carolina would have gotten cornered into either paying Boeser a UFA contract they don't want or watching him walk for free.

 

[Diablo2020]

Bruins traded RHD Carlo for Minten, 1st, 4th then traded a 4th for RHD Jokiharju.


Jokiharju, Minten, 1st for Carlo

I dont believe for a second we couldnt have gotten that for Brock Boeser from one of 31 NHL teams at 3,325,000 after salary retained.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

having one of the best players in the NHL pass them pucks, a popular coaching staff amongst players, and being one of the most beautiful cities in the world are pretty solid incentives besides the money.

Team is in Canada.
Vancouver is expensive.
Hughes is the only good player.
Tocchet plays boring as shit hockey.
Team sucks.
Owner is a donkey.

All reasons why players won’t come here.

 

[Bubbles]

I like how this organization is always going with the Lloyd Christmas argument, "you're saying there's a chance? Yeaaaahh!"

A declining Pettersson, a Hughes with multiple injuries and a missing Demko can somehow pull a St. Louis Blues.

Nothing will change unless Aqua sells the team. He will never rebuild and lives in that dream.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

The idea that we should forego any assets for Boeser because "giving up on the season might piss off Hughes" is pretty short sighted.

What do you thinking is more important to Quinn in 28 months? A narrowly missing the playoff 2025 season, or barely making it only to be swept in round 1?
Or how good the team is in 2025-26 and 2026-27?

If the team is good in the next 2 seasons, nobody will remember what happen this year when Hughes is weighing his option. But if you run back the same team and get smoked the next 2 seasons, Hughes is definitely leaving.

What Allvin did today is "not helping the present and also not helping the future" but somehow that is supposed to "keep Hughes happy"? What a failure.

 

[David71]

People keep mentioning this but has this been confirmed by a single insider?

I get being frustrated, but people are making up imaginary scenarios in their minds and are getting mad that the team never made a deal that was potentially not even on the table.

insiders probbaly think that would be the price even hfers knew. maybe at 50 percent.

 

[arttk]

He was super certain to leave because he wants to get paid max value, Carolina are the biggest misers in the league, and both sides knew the others position on money made the relationship untenable.

We'll never know what Carolina's #1 choice would have been but at the end of the day they didn't let either Necas or Rant go for free and walked away with a contributing ELC and two 1sts.

There's absolutely zero chance that Carolina would have gotten cornered into either paying Boeser a UFA contract they don't want or watching him walk for free.

Well I think also Carolina did what they did because they did give up significant value for Rantanen and it would hurt to let Rantanen walk. It wasn’t just Necas, it was Drury and a pick as well.

I think the equivalent would be us letting MP and DoC both walk for nothing.

 

[Donuts]

33 yr old Nelson got 1st and a top prospect
Bunch of past their primes fetched picks

While prime boeser has little to no value

Suuuure Allvin

And suter is still here for the push to 9th in the west

 

[David71]

Well todays inactivity tells me a lot about where this team is at. Obviously little francis has to have his playoff money if he can get it, and that is all that matters.

We are hoping for Demko to get healthy and hot for the playoffs, and try to recover enough at the draft and UFA to get bums into the seats next year.

Deadline fails like this is why the team in not in contention today.

no plan, no blueprint. quinn hughes is outta here next year.

 

[arttk]

The idea that we should forego any assets for Boeser because "giving up on the season might piss off Hughes" is pretty short sighted.

It’s more like you shouldn’t do it if the assets you get back is crap.