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[Isi]

That’s the point, it’s not enough assets to get is what we want.

How do we know that? For example, there was this guy playing defence for Team Canada the other week who in 2020, as a 25yo RFA, was traded for a couple of 2nd round draft picks. That trade basically helped his team win a stanley cup a couple of years later. So some 2nd round draft picks were enough to get Colorado something they needed.

2nd round draft picks can be useful trade assets! they can be used at trade deadlines to acquire rentals. they can be used to acquire players on teams who are perhaps low on players that they shouldn't be low on. they can be used to help larger trades be more equal.

they are certainly more useful than nothing at all. we are a team that has bled assets for over a decade now. hasn't worked out too well for us.

 

[andora]

Quadrelli made a great point today ... if your stated goal is keeping Hughes in Vancouver, you have failed today. The goal should be to ice the most competitive team possible next year, and you've done nothing to move in that direction after today. You have at best kept your head slightly above water during a sinking playoff race, in a dysfunctional season where the number of games Hughes even plays in moving forward is highly in question.

Bingo

I find this short sighted however like most things with this stuff both sides can argue until they are blue and it comes down to different directions

I personally believe they would have spoke with hughes and kept him in the loop.

All I know is that whatever they did(didn't) do today didn't help achieve either of those strategies. It didn't help set this team up better just for next year or long term.

I dont think this makes sense
This year outaide of rantanen was generally a big bag of crap and not in our MO

There are still several points to go including the draft

 

[arttk]

The whole point was to get some assets for an asset they clearly don't have real interest in keeping. Maybe there wasn't an offer of a 1st but there was for 2 2nds? Those can be utilized to acquire someone they actually want to keep long term. Instead we have a player that really isn't contributing since his center was moved, and a less than 50% shot at making the playoffs and almost certainly getting shit kicked. If the goal is to build a contender and not just try to squeak into the playoffs, then they failed today.

We’ve seen this management group time and time flip assets almost right away to get guys they want.

Based on that history, I assume they know how much assets they need to to make the trades they want and if they didn’t make those trades, I assume the return from Brock and Suter was not enough.
If it’s not enough and you make those trades anyways, the likely results is we just use the draft picks in the draft and that probably won’t help us in retaining Quinn and the loss of Brock and Suter for the rest of the season probably sets in the “management has given up vibe”. I am pretty sure that is the attitude they want to communicate to Quinn.

 

[Rick Rocket]

Taking the next best deal that doesn’t include a 1st doesn’t do shit for us. The whole point is to get a 1st ++ and combine that with our 1st and maybe more to get a player signed to term.

So if nobody is willing to give us a 1st for Brock and he walks, it’s not like we gave up a 1st rounder for nothing, like he never had that value in the 1st place. We lose a good player, yes but we did not lose the value he never had.

OEL had to go regardless of us extending Kuz or not. There is no way to justify a 8M 2nd pairing LD, we can’t build a f***ing D around that type of cap allotment. The outcome for OEL was always going to be a buyout or eat like 50% to trade him away.

I just don't see it. I think Brock could have easily fetched at least a 1st.

Maybe Allvin just sucks at deals. Maybe he was told he has to make the playoffs. Maybe he thinks Brock is the best option to make the playoffs.

Regardless, now the ball is in Brocks court, he can either get exactly the contract he wants or he walks.

Personally, he sounds like great dude and bleeds canuck colors but I hope we don't resign him to an 8x6.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Sounds like they think Boeser is too slow and they are going to let him walk. Either way, disaster class.

Our GM is an idiot.

 

[iceburg]

Alvin probably had three options:

1. Trade Boeser for inferior assets. Lower end roster players plus higher risk picks (i.e. 2nd round or lower)
2. Sign Boeser to a contract that was not good for the organization long term.
3. Do nothing, hope he can sign Boeser to a team friendly (or friendlier) contract before July 1st and, if not, trade his rights. And use the full cap space to sign a free agent in the offseason.

While I would have preferred that he trade Boeser for a premium package that included a top 6 forward, it doesn't sound like that was an option.

So, of the options, it's arguable that#3 is best. It seems most here want #1 but I'm not sure they are losing much by waiting and trading his rights, if necessary. Trade his rights for picks and sign a FA.

 

[thecupismine]

People are entitled to vent, even if I think everything today was completely predictable. Very few teams in this spot ever sell, regardless of whether we as fans think it's right or wrong to do.

I'm more upset about how everything was handled until this point than the actual deadline day itself. Mismanaging the Petey/Miller feud, not getting d help earlier, getting a mediocre return for Miller (Laughton got a 1st for being a tough center lol), etc. That's the kind of stuff that's set the team back more than anything that was (not) done today.

The real question on my mind is how do they fill the holes up front to maximize their title odds before Hughes’ contract is up. I think the defense is fine, but there’s some glaring holes in the top 6 that desperately need to be addressed, and with the free agent pool being what it is, I’m stumped.

 

[StreetHawk]

I just don't see it. I think Brock could have easily fetched at least a 1st.

Maybe Allvin just sucks at deals. Maybe he was told he has to make the playoffs. Maybe he thinks Brock is the best option to make the playoffs.

Regardless, now the ball is in Brocks court, he can either get exactly the contract he wants or he walks.

Personally, he sounds like great dude and bleeds canuck colors but I hope we don't resign him to an 8x6.

If Win can get Zetterlund for a 2nd, I think I'd do that over Brock.

If I'm Wash, I'd probably upgrade from rd 2 pick to rd 1 pick to get Brock over Beauv.

Carolina, always asset concerned so kind of not surprised by them not doing anything rental wise.

LA is the last PO team really to still have their 1st after the TDL for 2025 draft. Were not going to go big.

Of course the rest of the clubs could move out a 26 pick. but, a lot of them have been moved. TB, Col, Tor, Fla, Dal, etc. So, even those were going off the shelves.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

I don't care what side you're on but Allvin saying essentially that Boeser sucks and noone wanted him doesn't do anyone any favors. Just a super odd thing to say...

 

[Bobby9]

Man some these posts are AMAZING!

I can laugh at the rage and appreciate it at the same time. Don’t let Sigmund make you feel bad for having real feelings.

 

[Peter Griffin]

We’ve seen this management group time and time flip assets almost right away to get guys they want.

Based on that history, I assume they know how much assets they need to to make the trades they want and if they didn’t make those trades, I assume the return from Brock and Suter was not enough.
If it’s not enough and you make those trades anyways, the likely results is we just use the draft picks in the draft and that probably won’t help us in retaining Quinn and the loss of Brock and Suter for the rest of the season probably sets in the “management has given up vibe”. I am pretty sure that is the attitude they want to communicate to Quinn.

Teams make trades involving draft picks at the draft all the time, why couldn't that have been an option? Draft pick values are at the lowest at the trade deadline and at their highest at the draft. Smart teams sell high and buy low.

 

[iFan]

Sutter and Boeser should’ve been moved, both will be too expensive to re-sign.

 

[arttk]

How do we know that? For example, there was this guy playing defence for Team Canada the other week who in 2020, as a 25yo RFA, was traded for a couple of 2nd round draft picks. That trade basically helped his team win a salary cap a couple of years later. So some 2nd round draft picks were enough to get Colorado something they needed.

2nd round draft picks can be useful trade assets! they can be used at trade deadlines to acquire rentals. they can be used to acquire players on teams who are perhaps low on players that they shouldn't be low on. they can be used to help larger trades be more equal.

they are certainly more useful than nothing at all. we are a team that has bled assets for over a decade now. hasn't worked out too well for us.

2nd rounders this year don’t have the same value as 2nd rounders previous years.

This is a crap draft, from the way how GMs are treating draft picks, this year’s 2nd has the equivalent value of last years’ 3rd, that’s why you see GMs throwing them around like that.

In previous years when the draft is not crap, 2 2nd is equivalent to a 1st. I very much doubt that is the case this year so even if you get like multiple 2nds, it’s not going to be enough for us to get what we want.

 

[arttk]

Teams make trades involving draft picks at the draft all the time, why couldn't that have been an option? Draft pick values are at the lowest at the trade deadline and at their highest at the draft. Smart teams sell high and buy low.

Because this draft sucks and non 1st rounder has little value.

 

[DiggerDan]

Thing is, I don't see Brock getting a huge deal in the offseason - he's had many setbacks and has had one great season. I could see him being offered $7.5 x 4 or maybe 5 years at most, at which point Vancouver looks a lot more attractive. Maybe Brock needs to see the market for himself.

I agree with this. While it's disappointing that we couldn't get a solid return before the TDL (Alvin pretty much confirmed he tried to package him w/Soucy), this does have implications as it relates to his next deal. The market has spoken, and those who think Alvin is lying are likely wrong. Let's not forget that Boeser's agent also likely has insight into what other teams were offering.

Alvin is right that not trading him is a risk. But he's also likely thinking it's a worthwhile one if we can resign him for a fair deal. As much as his year has been poor, we know his potential - and all-star 40 goal scoring locker room leaders that can be relied on defensively do not grow on trees.

 

[arttk]

I just don't see it. I think Brock could have easily fetched at least a 1st.

Maybe Allvin just sucks at deals. Maybe he was told he has to make the playoffs. Maybe he thinks Brock is the best option to make the playoffs.

Regardless, now the ball is in Brocks court, he can either get exactly the contract he wants or he walks.

Personally, he sounds like great dude and bleeds canuck colors but I hope we don't resign him to an 8x6.

Problem is what happened today doesn’t support that. No teams payed a 1st for a winger outside of Rantanen. Even Marchand is like conditional and pushed out to like 2028.

 

[Quinning]

Because this draft sucks and non 1st rounder has little value.

Should have pushed for a 2026 1st. Much better top end.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

People are entitled to vent, even if I think everything today was completely predictable. Very few teams in this spot ever sell, regardless of whether we as fans think it's right or wrong to do.

I'm more upset about how everything was handled until this point than the actual deadline day itself. Mismanaging the Petey/Miller feud, not getting d help earlier, getting a mediocre return for Miller (Laughton got a 1st for being a tough center lol), etc. That's the kind of stuff that's set the team back more than anything that was (not) done today.

The real question on my mind is how do they fill the holes up front to maximize their title odds before Hughes’ contract is up. I think the defense is fine, but there’s some glaring holes in the top 6 that desperately need to be addressed, and with the free agent pool being what it is, I’m stumped.

There is no fixing the Top 6.

At best, they might get another DeBrusk the in FA but that won’t move the needle.

They don’t have the assets to acquire anyone of value.

So the team is f***ed.

 

[wonton15]

I can’t wait to miss out on Ehlers, sign Nyquist and Donato, have Boeser and Suter walk, miss the playoffs again, have Hughes walk, and hire the next retool GM -> repeat!

The 25 year retool

 

[D0ctorCool]

There is no fixing the Top 6.

At best, they might get another DeBrusk the in FA but that won’t move the needle.

They don’t have the assets to acquire anyone of value.

So the team is f***ed.

Sooner or later, we need to use those draft pick thingies to create our own top 6.

 

[arttk]

Should have pushed for a 2026 1st. Much better top end.

It doesn’t matter if nobody is willing to pay up.

I don’t get you guys arguing that we should ask for a price that nobody is willing to pay. That doesn’t do anything, that doesn’t change the fact nobody wants to pay. That’s the damn point.

 

[DiggerDan]

I don't care what side you're on but Allvin saying essentially that Boeser sucks and noone wanted him doesn't do anyone any favors. Just a super odd thing to say...

I think he's just being honest and if it's true, it does potentially decrease his contract value.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I can’t wait to miss out on Ehlers, sign Nyquist and Donato, have Boeser and Suter walk, miss the playoffs again, have Hughes walk, and hire the next retool GM -> repeat!

The 25 year retool

There is zero incentive, other than purely financial, for any FA to come here.

That ship has sailed.

 

[mriswith]

There was never any chance we sold at this deadline.

However, the idea that we "couldn't have sold, no other franchise in all of sports would have done anything other than exactly what we did and it's all video games to think otherwise " nonsense is as stupid now as it always has been. I hate Carolina for how cheap and annoying they are, and if I were a fan I'd be really annoyed how they won't commit to a run and they're content being a 2nd round exit every year forever instead of loading up, but they've been doing all the "video game" things for almost a decade and are one of the most successful teams in that time span.

The idea that every team ever would be as short sighted as us is just verifiably wrong.

Carolina saw that Necas was 90% leaving and converted him into Stank and two 1sts and they probably would have flipped some of their voluminous prospects and non-1sts for upgrades if they had more time. They sucked up all Necas' cheap RFA years and when he signalled he was either going to walk or demand more than they wanted to pay they sold him right before his massive UFA payday for a player delivering value on his ELC and two firsts.

Nothing has changed about Boeser's situation since mgmt got here 3 years ago, they clearly don't want to extend him and if they end up doing it that's not their first choice which speaks volumes, and we're going to watch him walk for nothing or sign him to a deal that mgmt clearly doesn't want to sign.

Carolina in our shoes would have traded him at least two years ago and had new young players and assets in the bank to keep or flip or both.

Canucks in their shoes would have hung on to Necas until next year and then let him walk.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Sounds like they think Boeser is too slow and they are going to let him walk. Either way, disaster class.

He doesn’t even make sense half the time and makes contradicting statements in the same interview.

He just loves to put the blame around on others.