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[canuckking1]

I'd target Timothy Liljegren seems to be getting the short end of the stick in Toronto.

Hoglander or Pod for Liljegren

 

[vancityluongo]

Note** I edited down your post so it was easier to respond to the part I was interested in.

OEL is a clear buyout candidate IMO. The formula I use to make most of the decision is simple. OEL cap - buyout cap - replacement player cap must be greater than zero. So the question is can you find a player that is equivalent or better than OEL at a number that makes the formula work. In the 2 years you mentioned as concerning we're talking roughly 2.4M. I think it is very reasonable that we can find a player that is as good or better at that cap. Especially if we are talking about what OEL might look like 2 years from now. As it is we're on the hook for 7.2M in those same years you are worried about. I think that a buyout offers us a better opportunity to make use of that 7.2M. One way or another we've got 5M in dead cap because an underperforming player is dead cap relative to their underperformance.

Only if you think that OEL will refuse to sit out as I highlighted, or that the league cracks down on his injuries and forces him into the lineup after ignoring the same situation for dozens of players over the past many years. Given the precedence of the NHL-Canucks relationship, the latter isn't an invalid concern.

But conspiracies aside, there are numerous examples of players in their mid-30s with long injury histories making supposed attempts to play, but being unable to do so at an NHL level, end up sitting out for the rest of their career on LTIR without directly retiring. My point is not that they couldn't better utilize the savings or that OEL is going to be playable in any way, just that there's another way around it that isn't even all that detrimental to the player.

If they really want the savings for this season, a much less painful (but still ill advised) move would be to buyout Poolman, who could in theory come back and play as a (likely) underperforming player. But he's also looking like an LTIRetire candidate so they're getting the cap accrual anyways.

 

[bandwagonesque]

Canucks: A summer like no other with heavy emphasis on improving fitness

'I have a tough time when guys take off for four months, don’t talk to a teammate, and show up two days before camp.' — Rick Tocchet

theprovince.com

No more ‘Da Beauty League’ for Boeser I guess

The 2011 team were constantly challenging each other to become fitter, and spent a lot of spare time working out. A lot of that was due to the Sedins' leadership and to the fact that the team expected to win and knew they had to give themselves the best chance to do so, but that team was way older than this one and managed to be one of the most physically fit teams in the league.

 

[krutovsdonut]

so is there such a thing as ahl ltir? if a player on a buriable one way deal is in the minors and gets a longterm injury do they just disappear off the books of the team if the ltir situation carries on to the next season or do they revert to the nhl roster the following season?

could you circumvent the cap by signing a 33 year old player to a 8x $1.1m year deal then waive the guy after a season or two after which he gets "injured" and disappears. if the contract is all signing bonus then the player is protected from a buyout.

 

[credulous]

so is there such a thing as ahl ltir? if a player on a buriable one way deal is in the minors and gets a longterm injury do they just disappear off the books of the team if the ltir situation carries on to the next season or do they revert to the nhl roster the following season?

could you circumvent the cap by signing a 33 year old player to a 8x $1.1m year deal then waive the guy after a season or two after which he gets "injured" and disappears. if the contract is all signing bonus then the player is protected from a buyout.

the nhl would probably call this circumvention and punish any team that did it but even if you could two things prevent any serious abuse: the 50 contract limit and the offseason salary cap. you could eliminate the cap charge during the season but you'd use up a contract and you'd (slightly) reduce your offseason cap space

 

[Vector]

-expects the Canucks to go looking for a 3rd line centre this summer
-need a centre who's good in the faceoff circle
-names Ivan Barbashev, Alex Kerfoot, Oscar Sundqvist, Pius Suter, Tyson Jost, and Sam Steel
-mentions Sundqvist was an Allvin draft pick with the Penguins and that the Canucks called Steel during free agency last offseason
-says all these guys are in the 2.7-3.5m range
-Canucks will be under pressure to move a contract
-brings up Myers bonus
-says to keep an eye on a buyout
-no interest in Tryamkin
-Canucks want Lekkerimaki back in Sweden with the same team; Giants no longer have his WHL rights
-Jurmo has an ankle injury and is out another week; some think he's going to stay in Finland for another year
-Dhaliwal doesn't think there's a spot in Abbotsford Jurmo
-mentions the Canucks possibly signing Jake Livingstone or Sam Malinski

 

[MS]

-expects the Canucks to go looking for a 3rd line centre this summer
-need a centre who's good in the faceoff circle
-names Ivan Barbashev, Alex Kerfoot, Oscar Sundqvist, Pius Suter, Tyson Jost, and Sam Steel
-mentions Sundqvist was an Allvin draft pick with the Penguins and that the Canucks called Steel during free agency last offseason
-says all these guys are in the 2.7-3.5m range

Barbashev and Kerfoot are not Cs and Jost isn't really either. Not sure why names like this keep coming up for the 3C position.

Also guys like Jost and Steel are definitely NOT in the $2.7-3.5 range and should both be way below that.

 

[604]

Why blow $3.7m on a 3rd line centre?

Just lose a bunch and get Bedard for 2C and use Miller as 3C.

Done.

 

[Vector]

-expects the Canucks to go looking for a 3rd line centre this summer
-need a centre who's good in the faceoff circle
-names Ivan Barbashev, Alex Kerfoot, Oscar Sundqvist, Pius Suter, Tyson Jost, and Sam Steel
-mentions Sundqvist was an Allvin draft pick with the Penguins and that the Canucks called Steel during free agency last offseason
-says all these guys are in the 2.7-3.5m range
-Canucks will be under pressure to move a contract
-brings up Myers bonus
-says to keep an eye on a buyout
-no interest in Tryamkin
-Canucks want Lekkerimaki back in Sweden with the same team; Giants no longer have his WHL rights
-Jurmo has an ankle injury and is out another week; some think he's going to stay in Finland for another year
-Dhaliwal doesn't think there's a spot in Abbotsford Jurmo
-mentions the Canucks possibly signing Jake Livingstone or Sam Malinski

Forgot to mention he also said they’d look to add another defenseman. Also said the Canucks have liked Suter in the past but I don't know if he meant this management group or the previous one.

 

[Vector]

Barbashev and Kerfoot are not Cs and Jost isn't really either. Not sure why names like this keep coming up for the 3C position.

Also guys like Jost and Steel are definitely NOT in the $2.7-3.5 range and should both be way below that.

Neither is Sundqvist. Of all the guys he mentioned, Suter is the only one who you could point at and call a third-line centre.

 

[MS]

Neither is Sundqvist. Of all the guys he mentioned, Suter is the only one who you could point at and call a third-line centre.

I feel like it's a bit of a tell that this is speculation coming from dumb media instead of information from the team when all these guys who are listed as Cs on the summer UFA lists but don't actually play C are the names being brought up.

 

[StickShift]

I’ve been so impressed with Åman this last month—that I’d be more comfortable with him auditioning for 3C next year than spending on a UFA.

The UFA market is not the place to fill out your bottom-six. That’s how you end up with Beagle or Roussel. Any of those players listed above will be paid millions more with term for what they’ve accomplished in the past—with no certain guarantee that they’ll be any better than a replacement player in the future.

 

[geebaan]

I feel like it's a bit of a tell that this is speculation coming from dumb media instead of information from the team when all these guys who are listed as Cs on the summer UFA lists but don't actually play C are the names being brought up.

Yea but they all play centre in NHL 22

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

Why blow $3.7m on a 3rd line centre?

Just lose a bunch and get Bedard for 2C and use Miller as 3C.

Done.

Why would we use our 1C as a 3C and our other 1C as a 2C

This is a poorly constructed team, we all know we have 3 1Cs and they should all play on the top line

Petey Bedard Miller - 1st line
Give 1st line rest - 2nd Line
Give 1st line rest - 3rd Line
Give 1st line rest - 4th Line

 

[Nucker42]

so much needs to be done this summer before the team should even consider adding any money/contracts to their forward group….

If they can move off of at least one of Garland or Boeser then maybe you can add a 3rd line Center after that. But you can’t keep adding without moving any salary. The team is already capped out…

Also impossible to notice how much more effective this team is without OEL… Myers is also still very pro tank. Since they clearly aren’t rebuilding you have to buy out OEL and move Myers after his bonus is paid…

The guy I’m targeting is Gavrikov… top pairing shut down defenseman. Gavrikov and Hronek could be insane… then you add Livingstone with Hughes….

 

[andora]

I am weary of gavrikovs price tag, do you pay him 6?

 

[andora]

So regarding performance bonuses.. remind me did we have anything slide from last year to this year?

 

[supercanuck]

I'd target Timothy Liljegren seems to be getting the short end of the stick in Toronto.

Hoglander or Pod for Liljegren

I can totally see (fear) Podz reaching his potential on Matthews' wing.

 

[Vector]

So regarding performance bonuses.. remind me did we have anything slide from last year to this year?

Halak.

 

[mathonwy]

Matt Boldy would have been so awesome.

 

[krutovsdonut]

am i missing something? we don't have the cap to sign gavrikov or anyone else of substance unless we move some cap, which we have failed to do for 18 months. the chances of us moving boeser or garland out for meaningful cap relief seem to be slim. so unless we revisit the jt miller for draft picks trade i would think our ufa moves this summer would be trying to hit home runs with replacement level signings.

 

[andora]

Halak.

So question.. cause i am screwing something up..

My understanding is you cant carry bonuses two consecutive years but you cant pay them off if you are in ltir

Or do plus 35 and elc bonuses get treated differently

What does your spreadsheet say

 

[andora]

Halak.

Nm.. figured it out.. remembered Mouser explaining it

 

[Vector]

Nm.. figured it out.. remembered Mouser explaining it

It’s just dead cap and reduces the upper limit. Doesn’t carry over year to year but going into LTIR means the next season’s bonuses roll over.

 

[credulous]

the canucks are going to carryover bonuses for kuzmenko, aman and maybe podkolzin and hoglander this year. kuzmenko's are the most serious, he has nearly a mil in potential bonuses alone