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[Burke's Evil Spirit]

they were trying to get lafreniere. heyshaaayna all but confirmed it

Lafreniere isn't a center.

My initial thought was she was talking about Sam Bennett.

 

[sting101]

My issue with Laf more than Kakko is that they will be trying to sell high on that #1 OA label till he's almost UFA. Never hurts to ask but i wouldn't be that interested in paying large after watching him a bunch.

Anton Lundell is the guy you want.

 

[DonnyNucker]

If we could only move Miller and have a 2C in his prime in return to help with a retool. A guy like Bo Horvat maybe?

Miller > Bo. One heater of a UFA season and people have lost their minds. The room is also relieved he is gone.

 

[racerjoe]

lots of people think lafreniere would be a better center than winger. it's not unprecedented for a player to make that shift. even in vancouver it comes up around podkolzin all the time

As has been mentioned who is saying he is a centre? Also I doubt that is the plan to replace JT Miller with a guy who hasn't really played the position.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

All the rumours say that after a hypothetical Miller trade with PIT goes down, the Canucks want a young center to replace Miller's spot in the lineup. Assuming we get a 1st from PIT in the deal, what centers could we target in a trade immediately afterwards?

Chytil
Pinto
Kotkaniemi
Rasmussen/Veleno
Mittlestadt
Sharangovich/Mcleod
Roy
Roslovic
Bennett

Some of those names are pretty unlikely (like Pinto), some of them are a bit too old (like Bennett) and all of them would be considerable downgrades on Miller.

Maybe if this asshat mgmt group traded Miller to NYR in a package that would have included Chytil, they wouldn’t have to worry.

Donkeys.

 

[arttk]

It's injury prone when it takes him 6 months to recover and has all kinds of set backs and he hasn't established much as a NHLer

Maybe not "injury prone" as much as high risk low reward

I mean concussion is the most uncertain injury in sports. It could be a week, it could be a month, it could be career ending.

Nobody really has any clue how to “cure” it and in hockey, every single player has the same odds of getting it. Like I said, every player is one hit away from getting one.

I feel for Dermott really because I don’t think he is concussion prone. He’s just shit out of luck when it comes to concussion. Ditto with Poolman.

 

[JohnHodgson]

they were trying to get lafreniere. heyshaaayna all but confirmed it

When?

Was it the report about a previous first rounder? Or did I miss something

 

[sting101]

Miller > Bo. One heater of a UFA season and people have lost their minds. The room is also relieved he is gone.

I dont believe that.

Horvat was a classy pro if guys took issue with that they are the idiots not Bo. i can almost guarentee that Miller would have confronted players and had some moments. But you know what if guys are babies about that they should play tennis not a team sport where if they are not pulling on the rope you're pissing someone off.. it is what it is. Non issue except for the relationship police.....could care less

As far as the 2 players. Miller outside of 50games this year has been better than Bo. he impacts the game more he's more skilled, a better playmaker even a better skater. He isnt milk toast in scrums and plays a game where he makes others better around him as long as he's engaged and is a physical force. Horvat is a solid heavy player, excellent goal scorer great on draws but everything else is just....solid i guess

I said it many times till i waffled this year that Miller was the better player and if they wanted to be serious about contending soon he was the guy i would choose if i had to. The issue is becoming time.....were no closer today then 2-3 yrs ago when i started thinking that way

 

[sting101]

I mean concussion is the most uncertain injury in sports. It could be a week, it could be a month, it could be career ending.

Nobody really has any clue how to “cure” it and in hockey, every single player has the same odds of getting it. Like I said, every player is one hit away from getting one.

I feel for Dermott really because I don’t think he is concussion prone. He’s just shit out of luck when it comes to concussion. Ditto with Poolman.

Concussions are compounding though. It's a fact that after having one that it becomes more likely that you get another and the next one brings back the same or worse effects. This is what i mean. If he returned in 2 weeks and everything was all good then thats a different scale for the likelihood of his next ones effects when you miss 6-7 months or a year the way this is going.

This has to accounted for. Saying everyone is one hit away is meaningless.

 

[MS]

I genuinely can't think of a college UFA that was 24+ that panned out. The good ones I can think of off the top of my head are Dekeyser (23), Tanev (21), Stecher (22), Whitecloud (22), Krug (21), Bozak (23), Schmidt (22), Talbot (23), Sheary (23).

Andy Greene, Brandon Tanev and Alex Iafallo turned 24 pretty early in the season after being signed but that's all I can find.

Yeah, it's very rare.

Livingstone might be a unicorn as it's unusual to find a defender with his size/production and he was already the top NCAA free agent last year before deciding to return to school for one more season.

Generally I'd say that a guy like Chase Wheatcroft who has gone supernova in the WHL recently (31 points in his last 14 games) is a better bet at age 21 than these 24 year old guys are. But the problem there is that there's more downside if you're wrong on the evaluation with 1 year ELC vs. 3 year ELC. 00

 

[JohnHodgson]

All the rumours say that after a hypothetical Miller trade with PIT goes down, the Canucks want a young center to replace Miller's spot in the lineup. Assuming we get a 1st from PIT in the deal, what centers could we target in a trade immediately afterwards?

Chytil
Pinto
Kotkaniemi
Rasmussen/Veleno
Mittlestadt
Sharangovich/Mcleod
Roy
Roslovic
Bennett

Some of those names are pretty unlikely (like Pinto), some of them are a bit too old (like Bennett) and all of them would be considerable downgrades on Miller.

Roslovic is interesting... wonder if CBJ would be interested in Miller for Roslovic +

They have cap space and desire to improve. Don't think they signed Gaudreau to that deal just to suck for the next 4 years.

Jake Bean was great for Columbus last year but not so much this year. He's relatively cheap and could be a good bottom pairing dman for us.

Roslovic + Bean + futures for Miller + Boeser?

Bennett would be my target but I think he'd cost too much to acquire. Pinto's really interesting actually... he'll be stuck behind Norris and Stutzle. Wonder if Ott would want to recoup some picks after trading for Chycrun. Doubt they'll trade Pinto so fast though.

 

[sting101]

Roslovic is not interesting. Interesting for a btm feeder or overpaid depth. As a solution to get better just No

 

[StickShift]

I bet they were just kicking tires. The rangers are likely gonna have to move on from Laf or Kakko due to cap constraints and them wanting to get paid. K'andre Miller is gonna get paid and Chytil as well and both pplay more important roles and positions.

The Castonguay connection makes me think that the Canucks are interested in prying Laf if so

If they really want Lafreniere—I think they could wait a year (like they did with Kravtsov) and get him for a mid round pick.

 

[m9]

I re-examined the trade. I thought we had traded a 3rd rounder for Bear and Lane Pedersen (essentially a contract slot). It was a 5th instead, so, in essence...wasn't much of a loss in terms of assets. I just haven't been a fan of Bear though given his ability to drop off when given higher minutes. Kind of gives me Ryan Stanton vibes, and I would be hesitant in going with the 2.2 mil QO.

I don't really care if you call Bear a miss or not because while in terms of value it's fine he's a miss in terms of what this team needs. Having him make some good offensive/transition plays is great but not when he's mistake-prone defensively and not strong/fast enough to make up for his mistakes. I get it from the team's perspective for a short-term fit as they just needed capable NHL bodies but if you are trying to build out a winning team he's far from a hit.

 

[ziploc]

Expectations definitely need to be tempered for these NCAA FAs who are 23/24 (Malinski will be entering his 25 yo season in 23-24!!) who have never played a single game of pro hockey. Would essentially have to walk onto the team and not look out of place. The good news is that they can only sign a 1 year ELC, so if they signed to play out the stretch you get a decent look at whether you have a player worth qualifying or not—pretty low risk.

Agreed. I certainly don't expect all, or most to pan out. But if we get a hit on even one of them it is worth the shot.

 

[Diamonddog01]

Miller > Bo. One heater of a UFA season and people have lost their minds. The room is also relieved he is gone.

You always say this kind of stuff...what is your connection to the room? Do you know a player personally? Don't have to be specific, I'm just curious.

 

[arttk]

If they really want Lafreniere—I think they could wait a year (like they did with Kravtsov) and get him for a mid round pick.

Let’s prep up that 2030 7th rounder

 

[Diamonddog01]

Maybe if this asshat mgmt group traded Miller to NYR in a package that would have included Chytil, they wouldn’t have to worry.

Donkeys.

Given that they later targeted Hronek it is insane how good that package looks now.

Chytil - 55 point pace this season
Lundkvist - almost playing 17 min per game
1st / Lambert - no guarantee they would've selected Lambert of course but he's currently lighting up the WHL

Then you can still do the Horvat trade as the team has a 2nd line C in Chytil and keep the NYI 1st and our own 2nd. Lundkvist is younger and is more cost controlled than Hronek.

Not trading Miller for that package and the subsequent dominos from that is sorta giving me May 25 to July 1, 2016 vibes.

 

[DonnyNucker]

You always say this kind of stuff...what is your connection to the room? Do you know a player personally? Don't have to be specific, I'm just curious.

I had a connection to a previous coach and id occasionaly socialize with players. Partially due to work but primarily due to the women I hangout with. My contact is declining though as I don’t go out as much these days. Last time I heard something about the room was 10 months ago so take my comments with a grain of salt.

More or less heard that Bo deferred to Miller for leadership in the room and Petey is very isolated with his small inner circle. Rubs the vets the wrong way.

That was ages ago so no f***ing clue what’s going on these days. Certainly seems like Miller has been dialing it back and Petey is trying to be louder and more assertive. Hopefully they sort out the petty drama

 

[andora]

Given that they later targeted Hronek it is insane how good that package looks now.

Chytil - 55 point pace this season
Lundkvist - almost playing 17 min per game
1st / Lambert - no guarantee they would've selected Lambert of course but he's currently lighting up the WHL

Then you can still do the Horvat trade as the team has a 2nd line C in Chytil and keep the NYI 1st and our own 2nd. Lundkvist is younger and is more cost controlled than Hronek.

Not trading Miller for that package and the subsequent dominos from that is sorta giving me May 25 to July 1, 2016 vibes.

Imo.. lundqvist is so meh.. even after his amazing trade value but he gets to play with suter lindell or heiskanen.. and i still find him meh.. again just my opinion

Chytil i did like but i am not sure he does what he is doing now, here. His sullort is rediculous in new york.. and he plays with two guys can get him the puck

I would have done chytil, a better piece than lundqvist and dropped the pick or even forgone it depending on the player

 

[racerjoe]

Imo.. lundqvist is so meh.. even after his amazing trade value but he gets to play with suter lindell or heiskanen.. and i still find him meh.. again just my opinion

Chytil i did like but i am not sure he does what he is doing now, here. His sullort is rediculous in new york.. and he plays with two guys can get him the puck

I would have done chytil, a better piece than lundqvist and dropped the pick or even forgone it depending on the player

It was Shcneider or bust really.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Given that they later targeted Hronek it is insane how good that package looks now.

Chytil - 55 point pace this season
Lundkvist - almost playing 17 min per game
1st / Lambert - no guarantee they would've selected Lambert of course but he's currently lighting up the WHL

Then you can still do the Horvat trade as the team has a 2nd line C in Chytil and keep the NYI 1st and our own 2nd. Lundkvist is younger and is more cost controlled than Hronek.

Not trading Miller for that package and the subsequent dominos from that is sorta giving me May 25 to July 1, 2016 vibes.

Lundqvist is a 3rd pairing d man..Usually plays the lowest amount of minutes in the Stars D

 

[andora]

It was Shcneider or bust really.

Yeah i think so too.. i mean if you could get schneider.. hell downgrade chytil to something else and try anx get the best pick you can.. but at that time schneider needed to be there relative to what we needed and still need

 

[Diamonddog01]

Lundqvist is a 3rd pairing d man..Usually plays the lowest amount of minutes in the Stars D

It's his first NHL season...17 min on one of the top teams in the West is excellent lol. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he surpasses Hronek in a few years.

 

[Coffee]

Is it bizarre to think we can draft the next Ryan Kesler with our 1st round pick this year?

This years draft is phenomenal.