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Prices will be high, teams toss anchors and not life vests. They see the same thing, did you see the tweet about Edmonton looking for a number 2 goalie ?
Im hoping Allvin addresses a trade soon. Myers, Juulsen, Hirose and Freidman making up 60% of the defensive group is asking for trouble.
 
it's early :biglaugh:

i definitely think they need another top 4 guy, i'm okay with that being Bear in a few weeks.

if the blueline can be something like:

hughes-hronek
cole-bear
soucy-myers
merril-friedman

heading into the playoffs ... I like that a lot
I think Bear as your number 6 dman is the kind of depth this team needs. I want to have a chance to win in the playoffs and of course injuries will happen.
Maybe we could hire Dion Phaneuf as a consultant to work on getting a trade done with Conroy. 😟

I agree. Im not against spending premium assets, but if we are we need another top 3D that can be a key piece for the foreseeable future ala Hronek, or like what Boston was able to do getting Lindholm & locking him up.

The only thing I'd say is we should be moving Willander under next to no circumstances.

He's the guy that could be an important top 4D on the cheap during the worst OEL buyout years.
I don’t think Willander comes in to save the day that quickly. I think he is after the worst years and 3 years out from being an impact player (if he developes to his potential)
 
That Seth Jones contract is one of the worst contracts in the league. He's a worse version than Darnell Nurse and that's saying something. Let Chicago deal with the inevitable buyout.

6 more years after this season at 9.5 mil per. Yikes.
I would take him over nurse, I think he looks as bad as he does because of how bad that line up is. He is for sure overpaid.
 
Just responding to the list

We are at a point where another hronek type trade is the only thing that makes sense in my opinion
Agreed, but I don't see many options for that player type.

Some mentioned Rasmus Andersson, but I don't see any situation where CGY is trading him in-division when over half of their defensemen are pending UFAs.
Canucks Army has an article suggesting some Dmen. One I think is interesting is Seth Jones. If we package Garland we may be able to make it work (after this season). I think he is overpaid but is a good RHD. I also don’t think Chicago would retain for that long. I do think you would have to move Boeser in the off-season to really make it work..

All to say, I think it would be a good fit, but that cap gymnastics would be a killer.
I actually think Seth Jones is pretty solid now, but the contract is just crazytown. No thanks.
Jensen for Garland was something I suggested. But now the stupid Capitals are winning AND Ovechkin isn't even scoring.
I like Jensen too. But seems unlikely the Caps trade him now. They also just re-signed him last season, seems like he's part of their medium-term "get OV the record" crew.

Someone who has me intrigued as an option is Johnathan Kovacevic. Big, right-handed, and had some decent results playing last season in soft 2nd pair minutes. And crucially, he's on a very cheap cap hit this year and next season. $766K. I don't get the sense that MTL views him as one of their long-term pieces, so may be available.

Sean Walker is also having a phenomenal start to this season. Pending UFA, but he would solidify the top-four for now. Probably check in on both of Carrier and Fabbro from NSH closer to the deadline.
 
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Someone who has me intrigued as an option is Johnathan Kovacevic. Big, right-handed, and had some decent results playing last season in soft 2nd pair minutes. And crucially, he's on a very cheap cap hit this year and next season. $766K. I don't get the sense that MTL views him as one of their long-term pieces, so may be available.

Sean Walker is also having a phenomenal start to this season. Pending UFA, but he would solidify the top-four for now. Probably check in on both of Carrier and Fabbro from NSH closer to the deadline.

Kovacevic is someone I would push hard for and have had my eye on him for a while. Unless the Canadiens decide to extend him, it makes a lot of sense to sell high and trade him. Wouldn't be shocked if there's a huge market for him if he's available.
 
Kovacevic is someone I would push hard for and have had my eye on him for a while. Unless the Canadiens decide to extend him, it makes a lot of sense to sell high and trade him. Wouldn't be shocked if there's a huge market for him if he's available.

Yeah, you can pretty much guarantee that teams like TB have Kovacevic circled as a prime target (or maybe THE prime target) because of that contract. He'll get at least a 1st round pick back for Montreal.
 
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Kovacevic is someone I would push hard for and have had my eye on him for a while. Unless the Canadiens decide to extend him, it makes a lot of sense to sell high and trade him. Wouldn't be shocked if there's a huge market for him if he's available.
Would you put the Canucks first in play for him?
At least it's possible to outbid the Lightning. They don't have a 1st until 2026.
Hahaha. Kovacevic is definitely a TB/Brisebois-esque target. But they emptied the war chest on Jeannot.
 
Would you put the Canucks first in play for him?

Hahaha. Kovacevic is definitely a TB/Brisebois-esque target. But they emptied the war chest on Jeannot.

I would hope so. He checks all the boxes (big, right-handed, cheap contract, another year of control) with the downside being he needs another extension next summer or else is UFA. We know that Allvin and Hughes/Gorton are able to make deals. The problem is every playoff team will go after him. Maple Leafs could also offer this years first and think nothing of it.
 
I would hope so. He checks all the boxes (big, right-handed, cheap contract, another year of control) with the downside being he needs another extension next summer or else is UFA. We know that Allvin and Hughes/Gorton are able to make deals. The problem is every playoff team will go after him. Maple Leafs could also offer this years first and think nothing of it.
They have a trading relationship there, maybe that would give the Canucks an edge.

I'd put the first in play too. If he can play top-four minutes, paying a 1st for a guy to play in your top-four for a season-and-a-half at $766K is worth it.
 
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Agreed, but I don't see many options for that player type.

Some mentioned Rasmus Andersson, but I don't see any situation where CGY is trading him in-division when over half of their defensemen are pending UFAs.

I actually think Seth Jones is pretty solid now, but the contract is just crazytown. No thanks.

I like Jensen too. But seems unlikely the Caps trade him now. They also just re-signed him last season, seems like he's part of their medium-term "get OV the record" crew.

Someone who has me intrigued as an option is Johnathan Kovacevic. Big, right-handed, and had some decent results playing last season in soft 2nd pair minutes. And crucially, he's on a very cheap cap hit this year and next season. $766K. I don't get the sense that MTL views him as one of their long-term pieces, so may be available.

Sean Walker is also having a phenomenal start to this season. Pending UFA, but he would solidify the top-four for now. Probably check in on both of Carrier and Fabbro from NSH closer to the deadline.
Calgary's not trading him unless someone gets stupid and not just with draft picks they don't want draft picks

Kovacevic would definitely be in my opinion at least a solid ad but again I don't see Montreal moving him unless someone goes overboard like the mentioned Tampa Bay jeannot type deal
 
They have a trading relationship there, maybe that would give the Canucks an edge.

I'd put the first in play too. If he can play top-four minutes, paying a 1st for a guy to play in your top-four for a season-and-a-half at $766K is worth it.

Ideally you’re doing a protected 1st and Beauvillier (probably retained) for Kovacevic and a later round pick. Kovacevic’s limited history and offensive upside will put a cap on his value.
 
Kovacevic would definitely be in my opinion at least a solid ad but again I don't see Montreal moving him unless someone goes overboard like the mentioned Tampa Bay jeannot type deal

There’s been rumblings that Kovacevic is available. He’s 27 next season and a UFA. If they would rather continue the rebuild for another couple of years, selling high in him now makes a lot of sense.
 
There’s been rumblings that Kovacevic is available. He’s 27 next season and a UFA. If they would rather continue the rebuild for another couple of years, selling high in him now makes a lot of sense.
I could see Montreal fumbling through this year and next year right in the middle and then start adding. I mean just like Detroit they don't really have any true top end jaw dropping Talent but they are kind of already on their way, at least in my opinion
 
i don't think kovacevic is that good. he's just a journeyman who landed on a very weak montreal blueline filled with kids and got (relatively) lots of playing time as a result. he's probably better than friedman but he's not as good as bear or myers
 
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With the Flames stringing together some wins, I suspect they're stupidly gonna hold off any trades and try to actually go for wild card push. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they let all their UFAs walk come the off season.

Sucks for us if they do though since pretty much any one of them would be a nice addition.
 
With the Flames stringing together some wins, I suspect they're stupidly gonna hold off any trades and try to actually go for wild card push. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they let all their UFAs walk come the off season.

Sucks for us if they do though since pretty much any one of them would be a nice addition.
It was always going to cost us extra getting any of those pieces from a division rival.
 
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i don't think kovacevic is that good. he's just a journeyman who landed on a very weak montreal blueline filled with kids and got (relatively) lots of playing time as a result. he's probably better than friedman but he's not as good as bear or myers
He did well in those minutes though. He wasn't getting shelled.

The Canucks need another defenseman. Preferably a top-four player. But they need to think in terms of value. They can't afford to add another Hronek-type that ends up costing them $7.5M AAV. They need to find these TB-esque additions - a guy on a cheap cap hit that can overperform his pay grade.
 
He did well in those minutes though. He wasn't getting shelled.

The Canucks need another defenseman. Preferably a top-four player. But they need to think in terms of value. They can't afford to add another Hronek-type that ends up costing them $7.5M AAV. They need to find these TB-esque additions - a guy on a cheap cap hit that can overperform his pay grade.

sure but if you're talking about moving a significant asset (hoglander, a b prospect, a 3rd or 2nd round pick) it shouldn't be for a player like kovacevic who probably doesn't help the top 4 and is probably only a small upgrade on the bottom pairing

if the canucks were looking at playing juulsen all season because of an injury to myers or hronek or something then maybe things are different but i think you can probably get a similar player for free or nearly so
 
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sure but if you're talking about moving a significant asset (hoglander, a b prospect, a 3rd or 2nd round pick) it shouldn't be for a player like kovacevic who probably doesn't help the top 4 and is probably only a small upgrade on the bottom pairing

if the canucks were looking at playing juulsen all season because of an injury to myers or hronek or something then maybe things are different but i think you can probably get a similar player for free or nearly so
It's a difference in player evaluation. If you think Kovacevic can only be a journeyman (as you do), then obviously it wouldn't make sense.

If you think there is something untapped there and that he could play on a 2nd pair or caddy an elite player (as I think the potential is there for, and he has some encouraging underlying signals), then it makes a lot of sense to acquire a big, right-handed, low-AAV defenseman.

These are the kinds of bets Allvin will have to look into. It's a capped world and we need to think in terms of value-for-money. Unless they can move Garland (which clearly is difficult), the Canucks will not really have much flexibility to add another high-AAV player in the offseason. If you can find a guy that can play for $766K, that's a big win.
 
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