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[andora]

Romanov, yes but left side
Zardorov - soucy
Columbus has a couple
Carolina -Pesce - perfect addition money concern
Zaitsev - friedman
Livingston - mcward
Foote - coach
Bahl - brisebois
Ristolainen ?? - awful and term
Stanley - brisebois
Schneider - nyr incentive?
Harpur? - brisebois
A Montreal dman? - arent trading the ones that would help
Myers P. - myers
Fleury - makes some sense 3rd

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Just responding to the list

We are at a point where another hronek type trade is the only thing that makes sense in my opinion

 

[Jerry the great]

Laine is precisely what we don't need. I'm not saying he can't blow up somewhere, he always struck me as a guy who will play better on a bigger stage. Like if he was an NYR I could see him being a lot better than he has been in CBJ.

But it's funny that these boards railed on and on about how we had too many one dimensional wingers and now there is a lot of cloying to add 8.7 million dollars in a one dimensional winger (I can't see the experiment at center working over the long haul).

I think a team like the Islanders should be trying to get Laine if they can though.

It's kind of insane to me that people are clamoring to add this guy. He seems like the anthesis of a Rick Tocchet style player. One dimensional, questionable compete, turnover machine. Completely at odds with the identity they appear to be forging. I understand most of the proposals involve moving out our inefficient contracts (Garland/Beauvillier) with a less shiny prospect and pick, but it still seems awfully risky to me. If we're adding pieces, it should be on the backend.

 

[CanuckleBerry]

Just responding to the list

We are at a point where another hronek type trade is the only thing that makes sense in my opinion

What would another Hronek-type trade look like? Rasmus Andersson? I'm not sure this organization should be giving up significant assets for deadline rentals. So that leaves pursuits similar to Andersson who fill a huge need while being cost controlled for the next two seasons while this team still struggles with cap issues. Regardless of whether people think they should have gone down this path, competing now is what they are doing, and if this is the choice then they shouldn't waffle on it. Another Hronek-type trade is gonna hurt, but they kinda have to if they think they can compete in the next two or three seasons.

 

[andora]

What would another Hronek-type trade look like? Rasmus Andersson? I'm not sure this organization should be giving up significant assets for deadline rentals. So that leaves pursuits similar to Andersson who fill a huge need while being cost controlled for the next two seasons while this team still struggles with cap issues. Regardless of whether people think they should have gone down this path, competing now is what they are doing, and if this is the choice then they shouldn't waffle on it. Another Hronek-type trade is gonna hurt, but they kinda have to if they think they can compete in the next two or three seasons.

it could hurt, unless they keep winning games.

i do think they need to go in just get another established player - not star but a guy that can eat 18-20 minutes and be solid. go push for Zub, or go see what it would honestly take for brodin (yes a lefty would need to play the right) or middleton. and if seattle meanders along go and get borgen

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Really...some GMs overvalue picks. Especially those that want to pursue an aggressive retool.

The window for this team is this year and next year. JT Miller is in his prime right now. You have the looming OEL buyout penalty that will hit soon...You really have to go all-in for those short rentals.

What good does that a mid-late 1st round pick or 2nd round pick do for us? The hope they develop by 2026?

You also have to factor how weak the conference is at this point in time. Many playoff teams right now have weaknesses and there is no clear top tier contender (even Vegas is looking shaky).

 

[PavelBure10]

If Rasmus Andersson could be pried from Calgary then you should absolutely pull the trigger. Honestly love Hoglander but if that's what Calgary wants, I am trading him to the Flames for a very good to great top 4 defenseman such as Hanifin or Andersson.

24 1st, Hoglander, Beauvillier for Andersson

I honestly would do this trade. Then call up Arshdeep Bains to fill Hoglanders spot

Hughes Hronek
Soucy Andersson
Cole Myers
Friendman

^That would be a very tough defense to play against.

 

[Jerry the great]

What would another Hronek-type trade look like? Rasmus Andersson? I'm not sure this organization should be giving up significant assets for deadline rentals. So that leaves pursuits similar to Andersson who fill a huge need while being cost controlled for the next two seasons while this team still struggles with cap issues. Regardless of whether people think they should have gone down this path, competing now is what they are doing, and if this is the choice then they shouldn't waffle on it. Another Hronek-type trade is gonna hurt, but they kinda have to if they think they can compete in the next two or three seasons.

Andersson would cost too much (Wallinder + 1st + offsetting contract....maybe more) to bring in and mostly because he brings things to the table that are less valuable to us currently. He's not going to play ahead of Hughes on the PP, so he'd be fighting with Hronek for the scraps. Someone like Adam Larsson would be a better target IMO. also cost controlled for next season at $4mm and probably extendable. May act as a cost deflator for Hronek if he's paired with Hughes at ES. Big and very physical. logs + minutes, PK and tough matchups. Will likely not be cheap, but probably not crippling.

Hughes Larsson
Cole Hronek
Soucy Myers/Bear

 

[Jerry the great]

If Rasmus Andersson could be pried from Calgary then you should absolutely pull the trigger. Honestly love Hoglander but if that's what Calgary wants, I am trading him to the Flames for a very good to great top 4 defenseman such as Hanifin or Andersson.

24 1st, Hoglander, Beauvillier for Andersson

I honestly would do this trade. Then call up Arshdeep Bains to fill Hoglanders spot

Hughes Hronek
Soucy Andersson
Cole Myers
Friendman

^That would be a very tough defense to play against.

That deal would get blown out of the water by someone else IMO. No way Calgary takes Hoglander as the centerpiece for their cheap top pair anchor who can run a PP1.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Im hoping Allvin addresses a trade soon. Myers, Juulsen, Hirose and Freidman making up 60% of the defensive group is asking for trouble.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Am I crazy to think Laine is worth kicking tires on? He's the same age as Boeser, and we are seeing how he has bounced back.

I’ve kicked around the idea in my head. The term isn’t bad with only two seasons left after this one. 8.7m is extremely prohibitive and would need to find a way to get that down. I wouldn’t be willing to give up anything if real value either and I assume the Blue Jackets would scoff at that idea.

This is something I've been thinking about too.

The issues are obviously the contract (which I think could be navigated) but also what CBJ wants in return. He's having a bad year this season but did have 108 pts in 111 games the prior 2 years combined.

I think if we making this deal Kuz should be involved, Laine would be added as an upgrade at his 1RW spot with Petey, & Kuzy isn't a bottom 6 guy. You could say put him with Miller's line but he doesn't seem to play to that lines identity. You just kinda wonder if he's a Tocchet guy or not & if CBJ still wants to compete going forward they'd be getting a quality offensive winger back.

A base of Kuz + Garland for Laine would give us a cap savings of 1.75 this year & next, which would help getting Bear in this season. I guess it then depends if/what CBJ would want added as far as futures.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Yeah a trade for a stopgap D is a reasonable option (CanucksArmy suggested Jon Merril, which I liked a lot). It's not just Soucy - with Soucy, Wolanin, and Brisebois our 3rd, 4th, and 5th best LDs are on the shelf.

 

[Peen]

FWIW I would much rather see them trade for a 3rd legitimate top four guy (who's physical and defensive minded first and foremost) than trade for Zadorov.

I don't care if it's a rental or comes with an extension. Changes the team dynamic a lot.

I just know the one thing i don't want to see them go for is to trade for a 4.5 and extend that 4.5.

Either go for a pure rental or make a splash for a legit top four guy you have no concerns about extending.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

FWIW I would much rather see them trade for a 3rd legitimate top four guy (who's physical and defensive minded first and foremost) than trade for Zadorov.

I don't care if it's a rental or comes with an extension. Changes the team dynamic a lot.

I just know the one thing i don't want to see them go for is to trade for a 4.5 and extend that 4.5.

Either go for a pure rental or make a splash for a legit top four guy you have no concerns about extending.

When was the last time a 3rd round pick was traded for a physical top 4 defenseman? Those guys cost.

 

[Peen]

When was the last time a 3rd round pick was traded for a physical top 4 defenseman? Those guys cost.

Where in my post did I say that a 3rd round pick would be the cost

for a 3rd legitimate guy means to add on to hronek and hughes

 

[bandwagonesque]

I don't see the point in a stopgap. Spend an asset to get a player who belongs in the top 4 then keep them there and try to win a few playoff rounds. Mike Matheson with retention might work, he's playing too many minutes in Montreal but would be a very good 4-5.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Where in my post did I say that a 3rd round pick would be the cost

for a 3rd legitimate guy means to add on to hronek and hughes

haha, I initially read it as a "3rd" and was ready to pounce all over this post.

I'm still not awake.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Where in my post did I say that a 3rd round pick would be the cost

for a 3rd legitimate guy means to add on to hronek and hughes

it's early

i definitely think they need another top 4 guy, i'm okay with that being Bear in a few weeks.

if the blueline can be something like:

hughes-hronek
cole-bear
soucy-myers
merril-friedman

heading into the playoffs ... I like that a lot

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

I don't see the point in a stopgap. Spend an asset to get a player who belongs in the top 4 then keep them there and try to win a few playoff rounds. Mike Matheson with retention might work, he's playing too many minutes in Montreal but would be a very good 4-5.

I agree. Im not against spending premium assets, but if we are we need another top 3D that can be a key piece for the foreseeable future ala Hronek, or like what Boston was able to do getting Lindholm & locking him up.

The only thing I'd say is we should be moving Willander under next to no circumstances.

He's the guy that could be an important top 4D on the cheap during the worst OEL buyout years.

 

[racerjoe]

I agree. Im not against spending premium assets, but if we are we need another top 3D that can be a key piece for the foreseeable future ala Hronek, or like what Boston was able to do getting Lindholm & locking him up.

The only thing I'd say is we should be moving Willander under next to no circumstances.

He's the guy that could be an important top 4D on the cheap during the worst OEL buyout years.

I think this is key. I don't mind going for a rental as long as you can resign them. This isn't always that hard. We could have resigned Tiffoli... but we Benninged that trade.

Also I don't think we move Willander... guys like that are almost never traded. We should all know this by now after trying to trade Bo and Miller.

 

[vancityluongo]

if we're looking at longer term options, nick jensen would be interesting if we could swap him for garland. if it's just for this season, dylan demelo is still #1 on the list for me.

 

[Vector]

if we're looking at longer term options, nick jensen would be interesting if we could swap him for garland. if it's just for this season, dylan demelo is still #1 on the list for me.

Jensen for Garland was something I suggested. But now the stupid Capitals are winning AND Ovechkin isn't even scoring.

 

[oceanchild]

Laine would be a no brainer if feesable cmon now lets not be ridiculous.

He has not been the player he was early in his career, he’s a 50 point player now and it is far from a two way player so would need to be insulated. The only way to make that work is on a line with Petey and Mik and I think Kuz is a better option due to his positive attitude. His point totals to some degree are a reflection of his ability to stay healthy, but the $8.7 is a killer. I wouldn’t do it.

 

[oceanchild]

If Rasmus Andersson could be pried from Calgary then you should absolutely pull the trigger. Honestly love Hoglander but if that's what Calgary wants, I am trading him to the Flames for a very good to great top 4 defenseman such as Hanifin or Andersson.

24 1st, Hoglander, Beauvillier for Andersson

I honestly would do this trade. Then call up Arshdeep Bains to fill Hoglanders spot

Hughes Hronek
Soucy Andersson
Cole Myers
Friendman

^That would be a very tough defense to play against.

Meyers is replaced by Bear and you have cap space to bring in a third line Center. Not hating on Suter, but we could use an upgrade in that spot. I’m more worried if we see an injury, as petey and Miller may not play all 82. Suter isn’t an option as a number 2 imo.

 

[oceanchild]

Canucks Army has an article suggesting some Dmen. One I think is interesting is Seth Jones. If we package Garland we may be able to make it work (after this season). I think he is overpaid but is a good RHD. I also don’t think Chicago would retain for that long. I do think you would have to move Boeser in the off-season to really make it work..



All to say, I think it would be a good fit, but that cap gymnastics would be a killer.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

That Seth Jones contract is one of the worst contracts in the league. He's a worse version than Darnell Nurse and that's saying something. Let Chicago deal with the inevitable buyout.

6 more years after this season at 9.5 mil per. Yikes.