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[David71]

send myers to jersey

 

[Ryomen Sukuna]

There are multiple expiring contract and/or teams that will have cap issues that might have to shed a player. NYR have two RHD making huge money and they need to give big raise to Schneider as the #5/6 dman. Columbus has 5 RHD on the NHL roster and need a scoring forward with 6 RFA's, 4 needing 2nd contracts (big raises), multiple FA's July 1.

I dont think the Rangers are trading Braden Schneider, and I *definitely* do not want bean (who doesnt shoot right), boqvist or peeke.

 

[oceanchild]

Kuz - Petey - (Trade for)
(FA?) - Miller - Boeser(trade?)
Hog - Suter - Mik
Raty/Bains - Aman - Pod

Hughes - Hronek
Soucy - Bear
Zadorov - (upgrade)

i think so, cap is going to go up, Myers if off the books, there will be more certainty around our cap because Petey, Hronek and Zadorov should be signed. There might be a bunch of interesting FA and if we can grab one then that would move the needle more and if we can do that then we can focus the little assets we have on more specific upgrades that can move the needle.


I think the season after when the cap hit is at 4M, we should have like Willander, Lekk and Raty coming in to help deal with that.

I’m hoping Pod ruses like a phenix from the ashes and lines up on Millers wing.

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

Behold the Phoenix Rising:

 

[David Bruce Banner]

Behold the Phoenix Rising:

Abby has been taking a physical beating this season, especially against the goon squad that is the Calgary Wranglers. Management has not done enough to protect our young assets there.
I always worry about guys coming back from concussions and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Pod can pick up where he left off, without any nagging issues.

 

[Diversification]

Behold the Phoenix Rising:

This is the sort of thing that had him as a top 10 prospect in his draft year. Very encouraging to see him pulling this off at the AHL level.

 

[theguardianII]

I dont think the Rangers are trading Braden Schneider, and I *definitely* do not want bean (who doesnt shoot right), boqvist or peeke.

I do think the Canucks could or should consider trading away the first or second round picks IF there is a bonafide top 4 defenceman available and they are in the top third of the league, late draft picks. Don't have to be this year's picks either.

Player availability isn't just because a team doesn't like a player, the cap pressures some deals.
When the Canucks were a very good team their 1rst round picks were very late and there was not much of a chance for those levels of players to crack the line-up. So trading away late first's and late 2nds for established players was not as onerous as made out to be.
Much was made of bad drafting but if looked into players that were around the Canuck picks didn't end up being difference makers it they had kept them. Not like Benning's fiascos' of missing top ten picks or trading away the player(s) selected in the first round.
Schneider might be available/shopped simply because their defence is already established and set and he will not have a chance to crack that lineup's top 6 and he needs a raise or to be let go for nothing. NYR are very close to a cap crunch. While they may not put him forward he could be the subject of a good offer.

His name was just a suggestion of a player that should/could/might be on Canuck's wish list. Every team should be scrutinized for what they need and whether the Canucks have an asset they can live without.

Having Demko playing good now, if they improving the defence winning would/could be more sustainable. Easier to win games 3-2, 2-1 than 7-6. Build from the bottom out. Save 1.5 goals against and win 25% more games. Have four "pillars" on defence with two jack rabbits would be a winning defence.

But Boeser and Garland HAVE to be moved, too much cap used for the roles they are in. Hoglander might be able to replace him. Hog's has almost the same number of 5 on 5 goals with a little over half the ice time and various line mates, he is closer to driving his line than Boeser ever could.

 

[ziploc]

I do think the Canucks could or should consider trading away the first or second round picks IF there is a bonafide top 4 defenceman available and they are in the top third of the league, late draft picks. Don't have to be this year's picks either.

Player availability isn't just because a team doesn't like a player, the cap pressures some deals.
When the Canucks were a very good team their 1rst round picks were very late and there was not much of a chance for those levels of players to crack the line-up. So trading away late first's and late 2nds for established players was not as onerous as made out to be.
Much was made of bad drafting but if looked into players that were around the Canuck picks didn't end up being difference makers it they had kept them. Not like Benning's fiascos' of missing top ten picks or trading away the player(s) selected in the first round.
Schneider might be available/shopped simply because their defence is already established and set and he will not have a chance to crack that lineup's top 6 and he needs a raise or to be let go for nothing. NYR are very close to a cap crunch. While they may not put him forward he could be the subject of a good offer.

His name was just a suggestion of a player that should/could/might be on Canuck's wish list. Every team should be scrutinized for what they need and whether the Canucks have an asset they can live without.

Having Demko playing good now, if they improving the defence winning would/could be more sustainable. Easier to win games 3-2, 2-1 than 7-6. Build from the bottom out. Save 1.5 goals against and win 25% more games. Have four "pillars" on defence with two jack rabbits would be a winning defence.

But Boeser and Garland HAVE to be moved, too much cap used for the roles they are in. Hoglander might be able to replace him. Hog's has almost the same number of 5 on 5 goals with a little over half the ice time and various line mates, he is closer to driving his line than Boeser ever could.

Was with you all the way up to the last paragraph. I genuinely applaud your tenacity and outside he box thinking on this, but I simply can't agree with trading a guy who is leading the league in scoring. I think he is earning his paycheque at this point. Garland I am fine with moving, and Myers, obviously. Those are the two egregious remnants of cap hit to on-ice disparity.

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

It remains an unresolved mystery how the owners left Benning in charge years after he had demonstrated he was a disaster.

One theory is the owner liked it because he was allowed to meddle when Benning was in charge.

 

[ChilliBilly]

I do think the Canucks could or should consider trading away the first or second round picks IF there is a bonafide top 4 defenceman available and they are in the top third of the league, late draft picks. Don't have to be this year's picks either.

But Boeser and Garland HAVE to be moved, too much cap used for the roles they are in. Hoglander might be able to replace him. Hog's has almost the same number of 5 on 5 goals with a little over half the ice time and various line mates, he is closer to driving his line than Boeser ever could.

Boeser's contract looks like a steal right now. Leading scorer in the NHL past the quarter point.

And we shouldn't assume that we are a contender right now. Things are looking good, but wait to the TDL before we go all in.

And you only move players where there is a worthwhile move to be made. If someone wants Garland, with minimal retention and/or minor prospect or draft pick, fine.

But this is going to be a hockey team, and a decent one at that, for years. We need a steady stream of draft picks and ELC's in the system, unless we are ready to blow this team up in 3 - 4 years.

And unless someone is a bonafide D man on a good contract with term, we are once again going to be in a cap crunch. Which has be hindering us for years.

Go to cap friendly and look at how many D men are going to need pay days next year.

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

 

[theguardianII]

Was with you all the way up to the last paragraph. I genuinely applaud your tenacity and outside he box thinking on this, but I simply can't agree with trading a guy who is leading the league in scoring. I think he is earning his paycheque at this point. Garland I am fine with moving, and Myers, obviously. Those are the two egregious remnants of cap hit to on-ice disparity.

Leading the league right now. But Horvat was too and Boeser simply took his place. So is it just the player or the line and position?
Being from the wrong coast hopefully eastern teams would think like you so a return could be enhanced but the big win is still getting cap space, the is the most valuable asset a team could have in the cap era.

Myers is more than just earning his paycheck. That he is so scrutinized shows how often he is getting the puck or in the play. Hughes does something wrong defensively and it isn't mentioned or down played, Hughes has more give aways' than Myers. Defensively Myers leads him in every category. The position not the player. Ditto with Hronek, he has 4 times the number of giveaways to takeaways and twice what Myers has.

Maybe Hronek becomes a trade asset? IMO he might get a 1rst pick in return and the 4 million committed to his cap space used for Hanafin, Tanev and another FA dman.

Now would that not be interesting, Zadorov, Tanev and Hanafin all with the Canucks. How the team would resemble Calgary of 3 years ago. Gaudreau - Pettersson, Miller - Backlund, Demko - Markstrom, Tkachuk - ?
They didn't have Hughes though but they were considered cup contenders.

 

[StreetHawk]

Boeser's contract looks like a steal right now. Leading scorer in the NHL past the quarter point.

And we shouldn't assume that we are a contender right now. Things are looking good, but wait to the TDL before we go all in.

And you only move players where there is a worthwhile move to be made. If someone wants Garland, with minimal retention and/or minor prospect or draft pick, fine.

But this is going to be a hockey team, and a decent one at that, for years. We need a steady stream of draft picks and ELC's in the system, unless we are ready to blow this team up in 3 - 4 years.

And unless someone is a bonafide D man on a good contract with term, we are once again going to be in a cap crunch. Which has be hindering us for years.

Go to cap friendly and look at how many D men are going to need pay days next year.

For sure, the team in the next 2 seasons needs a 4th vet Dman after Hughes, Hronek, and Soucy. Wallinder is not arriving until after his So. season and should slowly bring him along. Dman Petey, probably the ideal situation is to bring him over into the AHL next season.
And hope one of the current AHL guys, whomever that may be can play on the 3rd pairing next season.

But, need to get someone to play on the 2nd pairing and 20 minutes for 2 seasons. UFA market isn't amazing this summer. It's not deep in quality.

Boeser, also have to consider selling high as he will be entering the final year of his contract next season. What will the next deal look like for a guy who turns 28 at that time that isn't a great skater? Not a have to move, but anything should be on the table with him.
Garland, realistically, I'd be targeting a sub $3 mill player in return and have the option to buy that player coming back out and using the $4 mill or so in cap space savings on someone else. That's a realistic option vs giving up assets to move Garland.

 

[Vector]

Kind of odd timing.

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

 

[krutovsdonut]

Behold the Phoenix Rising:

that is the power move he made regularly for ska. have not seen it much here. i assumed that is because it doesn't work against nhl dmen.

 

[theguardianII]

Boeser's contract looks like a steal right now. Leading scorer in the NHL past the quarter point.

And we shouldn't assume that we are a contender right now. Things are looking good, but wait to the TDL before we go all in.

And you only move players where there is a worthwhile move to be made. If someone wants Garland, with minimal retention and/or minor prospect or draft pick, fine.

But this is going to be a hockey team, and a decent one at that, for years. We need a steady stream of draft picks and ELC's in the system, unless we are ready to blow this team up in 3 - 4 years.

And unless someone is a bonafide D man on a good contract with term, we are once again going to be in a cap crunch. Which has be hindering us for years.

Go to cap friendly and look at how many D men are going to need pay days next year.

I agree with so much of the post.

But not on Boeser. I see the team setting him up to look the best he has for 3 year. I see a Cy Young player, one that can't do enough by himself to score, a complimentary player and I do think Podkolzin and others could play this position. I think it is the position that create's the goals for whomever plays it.
They couldn't trade him last year because his contract was too much and too long and teams wanted up to 50% retention, the Canucks were in a world of hurt. Any trades were from a position of weakness and desperate need. Ditto for Garland. Not even their agent's could help facilitate a trade just 6 months ago. Any Boeser deal I think happens closer to the TDL when over half his term is done and in the summer at the latest.

As far as going "all in" I think that boat passed when they bought out OEL for two years of cap relief and accepted 4 years of cap hell. EP's lack of enthusiasm to re-sign also pushed the team in that direction. IF he is the real deal they have only one more year to satisfy his "itch".

The team should be set up for draft picks soon. Draft picks equal time and cap control and yes a team will need some on entry level deals. BUT Pettersson, Hughes, Miller and Demko are now "win now" players. EP and QH personal playoff "windows" opened last year, Demko and Miller 2 and 4 years ago. That is pretty much the core.

I also think there may be more done before the seasonal trade freeze, maybe on the road so any new player will have extra time.

The quicker they get "their" team together the quicker it will mesh and the cap issues addressed easier. But they need to add value to the cap space used now.

 

[theguardianII]

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Trade Boeser for Barrie. A home town boy. RHD too!
The Garland for one of the Russian trio in Columbus.

I think that would improve the Canucks quite a bit. He is another small dman but in the last year of his contract so the team could have help now and end up with an additional 6.6 million in cap space at the end of the year. Then Tanev maybe?

Didn't Barrie play with Zadorov in Colorado?

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Trade Boeser for Barrie. A home town boy. RHD too!

This... this is hyperbole right? You don't actually believe we should trade our leading goal scorer for arguably one of the worst defensemen in the entire league, yes? Because if you do... I'm sorry but that's downright idiotic.

No sane person alive is making that trade, Allvin would be fired faster than he could hang up the phone with Nashville dumbfounded on the other end.

There is zero scenario where we trade Boeser. It's a waste of time discussion it. He's signed until next season, wants to be here and is leading the NHL in scoring. Even in some strange world where Allvin loses his mind, Aquilini is never signing off on a trade that objectively makes us worse.

I love how well Hoglander's playing as much as anyone but you don't just gift him a spot and assume he'll replace Boeser's production. Horvat and Boeser are far and away better players at this stage of their respective careers. Hoglander's having a great start but could easily flash out. He did last year, which is why he went back to the AHL.

 

[MS]

Trade Boeser for Barrie. A home town boy. RHD too!
The Garland for one of the Russian trio in Columbus.

I think that would improve the Canucks quite a bit. He is another small dman but in the last year of his contract so the team could have help now and end up with an additional 6.6 million in cap space at the end of the year. Then Tanev maybe?

Didn't Barrie play with Zadorov in Colorado?

What in the actual f***, man.

 

[andora]

What in the actual f***, man.

it's like watching a functional postaholic start losing control these past couple days

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

I was all for trading Boeser the last 2 seasons, but trading him now would be stupid. Unless we can use the cap space and some of the assets for a top pairing D which is very unlikely. He is playing above his contract, and it would absolutely piss off the team to trade someone popular in the room like Boeser after rebounding what he has gone through. Even ignoring that, teams do not trade their leading goal scorer when they are winning.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

it's like watching a functional postaholic start losing control these past couple days

I’m thinking we may have spotted Jim Benning’s burner account. Just waiting for him to trip up and say Barrie can really rip the puck!

 

[JT Milker]

I’m not a Boeser fan, he’s very 1 dimensional and it’s comical that he’s leading the league in goals right now. Capitalizing on that stat and moving him for a higher motor, 2 way, 60 point type would be great IMO.

Trading him for Barrie would be an absolute joke.

 

[rypper]

I couldn't decide which gif was a better response to the Boeser for Barrie talk so I'll post both.