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[VanillaCoke]

that is the power move he made regularly for ska. have not seen it much here. i assumed that is because it doesn't work against nhl dmen.

My first thought too although i wasnt going to bother commenting again lol, glad im not the only one though.

Hopefully pod is enough of a prospect to be part of the return for top four D/W.

 

[ziploc]

Leading the league right now. But Horvat was too and Boeser simply took his place. So is it just the player or the line and position?
Being from the wrong coast hopefully eastern teams would think like you so a return could be enhanced but the big win is still getting cap space, the is the most valuable asset a team could have in the cap era.

Myers is more than just earning his paycheck. That he is so scrutinized shows how often he is getting the puck or in the play. Hughes does something wrong defensively and it isn't mentioned or down played, Hughes has more give aways' than Myers. Defensively Myers leads him in every category. The position not the player. Ditto with Hronek, he has 4 times the number of giveaways to takeaways and twice what Myers has.

Maybe Hronek becomes a trade asset? IMO he might get a 1rst pick in return and the 4 million committed to his cap space used for Hanafin, Tanev and another FA dman.

Now would that not be interesting, Zadorov, Tanev and Hanafin all with the Canucks. How the team would resemble Calgary of 3 years ago. Gaudreau - Pettersson, Miller - Backlund, Demko - Markstrom, Tkachuk - ?
They didn't have Hughes though but they were considered cup contenders.

Welp, there's a bunch more paragraphs in there where we part company. Alas.

 

[cc]

I don't think I'd take barrie for free let alone make a trade for him. I can imagine him as a permanent resident in tochet's dog house if he was aquired

 

[Lindgren]

Kind of odd timing.

Making room for Zadorov?

 

[Vector]

Making room for Zadorov?

Didn’t need to since McWard was sent down. This puts them at 22 players and 7 defencemen. It’s probably nothing. Canucks have a two day break and are back at home next game.

 

[theguardianII]

I see I must clear the fog again;

This... this is hyperbole right? You don't actually believe we should trade our leading goal scorer for arguably one of the worst defensemen in the entire league, yes? Because if you do... I'm sorry but that's downright idiotic.

No sane person alive is making that trade, Allvin would be fired faster than he could hang up the phone with Nashville dumbfounded on the other end.

There is zero scenario where we trade Boeser. It's a waste of time discussion it. He's signed until next season, wants to be here and is leading the NHL in scoring. Even in some strange world where Allvin loses his mind, Aquilini is never signing off on a trade that objectively makes us worse.

I love how well Hoglander's playing as much as anyone but you don't just gift him a spot and assume he'll replace Boeser's production. Horvat and Boeser are far and away better players at this stage of their respective careers. Hoglander's having a great start but could easily flash out. He did last year, which is why he went back to the AHL.

So you don't think there is a player on the team that can score into an empty net?
Last year there was nobody to take up Horvat's 30 goals, 11 of which were PP goals? Kuz picked up a few of those.
Boeser drives offence? With what? Nine 5 on 5 goals while playing with two of the leagues top scorer's?

What in the actual f***, man.

Actual speaking. Ya, at $123,511 per point and over $5300 per minute he is too expensive. The team will need cap space sooner than later.

Welp, there's a bunch more paragraphs in there where we part company. Alas.

Paragraphs, okay a shorty version then.
Both Garland and BOESER had their agents looking for trades they WANTED OUT of Vancouver not six months ago. They play here now because they are contracted to.
They couldn't be traded because no team wanted them due to either the cap hit or production, 6.6 mil for 50 points is not a good deal then. Teams all wanted the Canucks to retain money and the Canucks were rumoured to be willing to retain but not much. A match made in heaven right?

Oh well if Boeser goes the entire team is sunk, can't win without him! Might as well ship Pettersson and Hughes out.

There is no "I" in TEAM! Losing Boeser's whopping 15 minutes is not a disaster considering most of his points come in 30 seconds on the PP bumper spot. A spot held by Horvat then Kuzmenko last year. Hmmm? Didn't both of them have over 30 goals too?

Didn’t need to since McWard was sent down. This puts them at 22 players and 7 defencemen. It’s probably nothing. Canucks have a two day break and are back at home next game.

More deals coming most likely

 

[rypper]

Boeser has 3 empty net goals out of his 17.

And 17 even strength points out of his 27 points.

 

[theguardianII]

Boeser has 3 empty net goals out of his 17.

And 17 even strength points out of his 27 points.

And 8 PP goals so 11 of 17.

6 even strength goals while playing with Miller, 2nd in points in the league and about half his time with Hughes, 5th in points in the league.

Doesn't Hoglander have seven 5 on 5 goals without playing with either or on the PP? With 60% of the ice time or less.

Sort of like Schmidt was a product of playing with two cup contenders, results more due to the environment than individual skill.

Decades ago it was said a fire hydrant could score 50 goals playing with Gretzky.

 

[arttk]

Boeser has 3 empty net goals out of his 17.

And 17 even strength points out of his 27 points.

The issue is more Barrie f***ing sucks

 

[Canucker]

The message it would send trading Boeser right now would be highly problematic…we’ve got a great record, we’re trying to entice EP and other that this is a good up and coming team and Boeser is a popular player in the room…an unproductive Boeser is a problem at $6+m/yr, a solidly performing Boeser is not an issue...if you move him, its not now.

 

[andora]

And 8 PP goals so 11 of 17.

6 even strength goals while playing with Miller, 2nd in points in the league and about half his time with Hughes, 5th in points in the league.

Doesn't Hoglander have seven 5 on 5 goals without playing with either or on the PP? With 60% of the ice time or less.

Sort of like Schmidt was a product of playing with two cup contenders, results more due to the environment than individual skill.

Decades ago it was said a fire hydrant could score 50 goals playing with Gretzky.

Can you go back to mantha atleast

 

[LemonSauceD]

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

So you don't think there is a player on the team that can score into an empty net?
Last year there was nobody to take up Horvat's 30 goals, 11 of which were PP goals? Kuz picked up a few of those.
Boeser drives offence? With what? Nine 5 on 5 goals while playing with two of the leagues top scorer's?

Kucherov has 9 EVG and 6 PP to Boeser's 9 and 8. By this logic, he's a bum the Lightning need to move on from. I mean, really. He only has noted future Toronto Maple Leaf star Steven Stamkos and 3rd pick Brayden Point. That's no Di Giuseppe! He's a 2nd rounder with eight points. We could get a 5th round pick for that!

I could keep going but I think I've made my point.

 

[PavelBure10]

Boeser went through some tough times these past two years. He deserved another shot to show what he has to offer after his father passed away. Boes has found enjoyment in hockey again, and looks great as the leagues leading goalscorer. Brock rebounded nicely and should no longer be looked at as a trade piece. He wants to stay and I think most Canuck fans would be more than happy keeping him as a Canuck too.

 

[krutovsdonut]

My first thought too although i wasnt going to bother commenting again lol, glad im not the only one though.

Hopefully pod is enough of a prospect to be part of the return for top four D/W.

yeah, i know what you mean,. i wasn't going to bother commenting that it is exactly the same as jack skille's power move.

 

[Gstank]

I wonder if the Kessel rumours are because Allvin and Rutherford are trying to move out Garland. I would think Garland has some value around the league and that acquiring Kessel would give us a cheap replacement without having a drop off in skill, and would give us enough cap space for Bear

You would have to think that Karlsson, Bains and Podz are also pushing for NHL spots this season.

 

[TruGr1t]

I mean, if they take Myers for Barrie maybe consider it on the salary savings alone, with both on expiring deals. But yeah, not if they aren't taking some anchor contract back.

 

[beachcomber]

What in the actual f***, man.

Haha, ya, I had to read that twice as well.

 

[theguardianII]

Kucherov has 9 EVG and 6 PP to Boeser's 9 and 8. By this logic, he's a bum the Lightning need to move on from. I mean, really. He only has noted future Toronto Maple Leaf star Steven Stamkos and 3rd pick Brayden Point. That's no Di Giuseppe! He's a 2nd rounder with eight points. We could get a 5th round pick for that!

I could keep going but I think I've made my point.

Geez, I though Kucherov had more than twice the points Boeser does?
Doesn't having lots of assists mean he plays well with others?

I think you forgot that Boeser has 3 empty net goals so it is more like 6 and 8.

I get your point, you have a man crush of the prince, but don't really understand the needs of the many.

The trade will get finished eventually, the one started last year that he wanted or at least agreed to.

Needed to sign Pettersson. Cap space, cap, the cap.
It just so happens the Preds told Barrie he could shop himself.
The opportunity to complete Brock's trade that couldn't happen last year due to poor numbers and more term just was gifted by the hockey gods.

The hockey gods looked down on the Canucks and see they still could use a right handed defence man and the one they want (Tanev) will not be available until summer, they also took note that the Canucks will need more cap space for next year.

So they gifted the Canucks with a right handed defenceman that also has played with the other gift, Zadorov, they know each other making the gifts even better because they can play together right away. The right handed defender can go away and the team is then gifted with an additional 6.6 million to sign the player they really want, Tanev, extra cap space to sign the Golden Child and maybe help the team have greater success immediately. They also took in account the player, one that would not mind playing where he was born.

BB less than a 2 hour flight home and in the same time zone.

The hockey gods are not finished with the Canucks, there have been lots of prayers to catch up on.

But here is just one trade that addresses 3 important needs of the Canucks and two for the players

Even hockey gods know defence wins championships

 

[dez]

Curious, what are some contract comparables for Hronek? Weeger at 6.25, Montour is older and is upcoming UFA. What would the walk away price be.

 

[LemonSauceD]

watching Barrie play hockey is like repeatedly being edged so hard your balls dramatically burst from the sheer anticipation of an un-inevitable and unobtainable release.

 

[m9]

Geez, I though Kucherov had more than twice the points Boeser does?
Doesn't having lots of assists mean he plays well with others?

I think you forgot that Boeser has 3 empty net goals so it is more like 6 and 8.

I get your point, you have a man crush of the prince, but don't really understand the needs of the many.

The trade will get finished eventually, the one started last year that he wanted or at least agreed to.

Needed to sign Pettersson. Cap space, cap, the cap.
It just so happens the Preds told Barrie he could shop himself.
The opportunity to complete Brock's trade that couldn't happen last year due to poor numbers and more term just was gifted by the hockey gods.

The hockey gods looked down on the Canucks and see they still could use a right handed defence man and the one they want (Tanev) will not be available until summer, they also took note that the Canucks will need more cap space for next year.

So they gifted the Canucks with a right handed defenceman that also has played with the other gift, Zadorov, they know each other making the gifts even better because they can play together right away. The right handed defender can go away and the team is then gifted with an additional 6.6 million to sign the player they really want, Tanev, extra cap space to sign the Golden Child and maybe help the team have greater success immediately. They also took in account the player, one that would not mind playing where he was born.

BB less than a 2 hour flight home and in the same time zone.

The hockey gods are not finished with the Canucks, there have been lots of prayers to catch up on.

But here is just one trade that addresses 3 important needs of the Canucks and two for the players

Even hockey gods know defence wins championships

As someone who advocated a boeser for granlund trade last year, my recommendation would be to just stop typing and hope people forget about this proposal over time

 

[theguardianII]

I mean, if they take Myers for Barrie maybe consider it on the salary savings alone, with both on expiring deals. But yeah, not if they aren't taking some anchor contract back.

The cap space is the biggest asset the Canucks get back.
If they can sign Tanev, who all want and EP then the D could look like;

Hughes - Tanev
Zarorov - Hronek
Myers - Soucy
Willander/Brzustewicz/AHLer/Pettersson/?

Larger playoff type defence combined with Demko and DeSmith/Silvos should reduce goals against by more than one player scoring 30 goals and more consistently. That is what they mean about there not being an "I" in TEAM.

Barrie get either traded at the draft, included in trade or signed for peanuts they could also let him go because the 6.6 million in cap space ends up being for free. Ya the player but there are others to fill in. And it is to a different division.

Boeser hasn't been that great since he got here, true injuries to body and soul but still well compensated.
Like I posted the trade will just be completion of the request.
The recant, ya, right! What else is he going to say? It was already public knowledge and it didn't happen because the TEAM didn't want to add sweeteners or retain that much money. Now they might not have to.

 

[theguardianII]

watching Barrie play hockey is like repeatedly being edged so hard your balls dramatically burst from the sheer anticipation of an un-inevitable and unobtainable release.

I don't disagree but getting the cap space so Pettersson stays is important.
You think he wants to sign while there is doubt of the internal team's direction?
Barrie would be atleast as good as Juulsen or Freidman and help the team with playoff experience.
RHD is needed, D depth is needed, Cap space is desperately needed.
The same type of deal could be made just about every team but the Preds are deep with defence and they have/had a RHD.
The extra 2 mil in cap space could then be used up to sign Bear. Put Barrie in the minors and save another million. But then probable passing on Tanev later or any other TDL deals.

 

[theguardianII]

As someone who advocated a boeser for granlund trade last year, my recommendation would be to just stop typing and hope people forget about this proposal over time

I really don't care if it is Barrie or Mantha or whomever.

IT IS THE CAP SPACE NEEDED NEXT YEAR. As I have posted he just isn't worth 6.6 million, neither is Garland.

Both wanted out last year. Not meaning this viciously or mean but "rats fleeing a sinking ship".

The only reason that didn't happen was where the team was at and no add ons or retention. At that the rumoured willing retention for Garland was close to 2 mil a year.

I don't hate either player, they do their best BUT money puck.

What is 12 million in cap space worth in players? Standings? The playoffs?

Players - Pettersson, Hronek, Zadorov, Tanev, Myers, Hoglander
Standings - Still a tough division but 3rd/4th minimum because the defence will stop one more goal per game.
Playoffs - With the improvement is size at the back end and maybe Podkolzin, Bain, Aman ... an extra round or two?

ALL WITHIN ONE YEAR! A contender instead of pretender.