Agreed. Injuries are inevitable. We’re already playing Julusen regularly who should really be an extra call up and Myers is playing way too many minutes. Adding Bear gives us more depth but we need one more guy who can play in the top 4. Ideally a second pairing guy who is strong on the PK as the PK numbers are still well below average.
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theguardianII
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Allvin should get on the phones and shop Boeser and Garland ASAP.
Both could be upgraded.
There are a few players that could be available, Russians speaking, Zadorov and Voronkov maybe Zaitsev as well. Of the three Zadorov might be hardest.
Fleury, Pesce, Maatta are all defence drafted by Allvin/Rutherford
Average size of NHL defence men - 6'3"
Canucks - Barely over 6' if Myers and Soucy not included
6'2" if they are
9 defencemen on the roster all under league average already.
Don't sign Bear.
Use the Cap space for a playoff sized defenceman.
Washington wants help for Ovy and have tons of cap space. Garland and a center in the minors for Alexeyev and Mantha
Mantha is a UFA so a TDL deal could be in the works, the cap space is the big return. Alexeyev is a good sized dman, Russian speaking. He might go along well with Mik, Kuz and Zad with Voron if they can get them too. A pale copy of the Detroit five. Even a line of Mik (W), Kuz(W) and Voron(C) Alex (LD) & Zad (RD)
It would make a big push for playoffs, the future and the future cap problems created by the OEL buyout dead cap hits of over 4.2 million
Columbus doesn't need more drama if Voronkov has asked for a trade. There a Boeser for Voronkov and Peeke with late pick.
If the team believes they can finish in the top 5 or 6 then a 2nd round pick for Zardorov is a good price, maybe even a 2nd and 3rd in different years is good especially as the team has a very good relationship with the agent of all three.
With the conference being in such turmoil this year Allvin should make the moves to move up in the mushy middle and the future. He can use the points in the bank to help sculpt the future. Meaning a few losses while players acclimate.
With the points they have now they only need to play slightly over .500 hockey for a 95pt playoff spot so adding now for the next few years might entice EP to sign earlier so they can get their ducks in a row.
They are handcuffed pretty much until EP is figured out.
These trades add size and term which allows them additional/some time later. Planning can start earlier. IMO if they don't strike while the iron is hot and wait for other teams to make moves then they will be chasing them, better to be in front of the race and let the accidents happen behind you.
Both could be upgraded.
There are a few players that could be available, Russians speaking, Zadorov and Voronkov maybe Zaitsev as well. Of the three Zadorov might be hardest.
Fleury, Pesce, Maatta are all defence drafted by Allvin/Rutherford
Average size of NHL defence men - 6'3"
Canucks - Barely over 6' if Myers and Soucy not included
6'2" if they are
9 defencemen on the roster all under league average already.
Don't sign Bear.
Use the Cap space for a playoff sized defenceman.
Washington wants help for Ovy and have tons of cap space. Garland and a center in the minors for Alexeyev and Mantha
Mantha is a UFA so a TDL deal could be in the works, the cap space is the big return. Alexeyev is a good sized dman, Russian speaking. He might go along well with Mik, Kuz and Zad with Voron if they can get them too. A pale copy of the Detroit five. Even a line of Mik (W), Kuz(W) and Voron(C) Alex (LD) & Zad (RD)
It would make a big push for playoffs, the future and the future cap problems created by the OEL buyout dead cap hits of over 4.2 million
Columbus doesn't need more drama if Voronkov has asked for a trade. There a Boeser for Voronkov and Peeke with late pick.
If the team believes they can finish in the top 5 or 6 then a 2nd round pick for Zardorov is a good price, maybe even a 2nd and 3rd in different years is good especially as the team has a very good relationship with the agent of all three.
With the conference being in such turmoil this year Allvin should make the moves to move up in the mushy middle and the future. He can use the points in the bank to help sculpt the future. Meaning a few losses while players acclimate.
With the points they have now they only need to play slightly over .500 hockey for a 95pt playoff spot so adding now for the next few years might entice EP to sign earlier so they can get their ducks in a row.
They are handcuffed pretty much until EP is figured out.
These trades add size and term which allows them additional/some time later. Planning can start earlier. IMO if they don't strike while the iron is hot and wait for other teams to make moves then they will be chasing them, better to be in front of the race and let the accidents happen behind you.
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I'm pro-Salish art representation in all ways all forms but this one is a bit of a busier example. Too much going on and it doesnt scale well for a logo. Love the colours and the concept though. Chase Grey's last year was great but also got a bit too busy towards the bottom.
They also didnt change the original logo enough, redo it your own style instead of draw over it
I love that they talked about and went into the specifics on Salish design ideology though
What I would f***ing love to see is them let a Salish artist like LessLIE go at it, who is a pure genius of simplicity, proportion, and form. He would tackle the logo's silhouette and come up with something brilliant. lessLIE Sam - Stonington Gallery
He actually did a painting titled "Culturally Correct Canucks" that was featured in a 2017 show at the Bill Reid Gallery, taking a jab at the cultural appropriation in the current logo.
The above left is the design, using the same logo silhouette but reinterpreting it within Salish design ideology. I think everyone gets caught up on the tail part where the whale is crashing through the ice. The crescent pattern is nice but the trigon and eye in the corner makes it too busy. Need to keep it simple and so many artists are getting overwhelmed with the space.
they are both attractive and i like the idea in principle, but both are a little complex for me as the official logo. as a kid i painstakingly drew every nhl logo of the time for an art project in grade 6. the ability of an 11 year old with limited skills to copy the team logo would be my standard, which requires a certain simplicity, proportion and symmetry of design. the current canucks logo is already offside for me.
i remember i did not like doing the cleveland barons logo and hence did not like the team and i was secretly glad when they folded a while later. many years later i figured out the random blob background behind the "B" was the state of ohio which i guess would have helped to know.
theguardianII
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Washington?
Okay I admit that went right over my head
And the last two years mean nothing? Boeser is just getting Horvat and Kuzmenko's PP ice time and positioning.
He isn't scoring the same way, beating goalies with his twisted wrister from distance or even 5 on 5 that much.
You can tell by the goals/assists almost 2 to one, Cy Young numbers. This indicates more a recipient of others. Ditto with the number of goals within 2 feet of the blue.
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Our winger depth actually sucks. Trading your best PP winger, and forcing bottom 6 players into that role is not a recipe for success (see Canucks teams from 2006-2008).
Only way you start trading Boeser and Garland is if you have a bonafide replacement for that top 6 role, and no, Hoglander is not ready yet.
Only way you start trading Boeser and Garland is if you have a bonafide replacement for that top 6 role, and no, Hoglander is not ready yet.
i just don't think the combination of everything you said does anything impactful in a positive net way - therefore it would be our own accident
Youve cracked the code to guardians posts
theguardianII
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This time I m being overly optimistic not using stats.
Cherry picking various rumours, statements or past facts and combining with a dash of hope.
Hope, at least the hope I have isn't waiting for some infinite time for a non NHL playing prospect to be crowned the next saviour.
In the most hopefully optimistic these players could/might be available and those teams could use the Canucks listed. Both teams have cap space. Both teams need more scoring. One team has an icon they are trying to support. The other has a players asking to move or go home, a desire which might be filled with the number of fellow country men Vancouver could get.
Mantha, Peeke have been trade items for a year. Voronkov report has him homesick and wanting to go home. A trade there also rewards the Canucks with cap space. Ditto with Mantha.
Milstein is the agent for Zadorov, Mikheyev, Kuzmenko, Voronkov and Zaitsev.
I hope fantasy also fits under the cap. Myers and Cole move on with Boeser or Garland's contract allows for over 19 million in cap space to resign the three dmen and then decide if Myers comes back a bargain price to be a 6/7 guy Or Elias Pettersson plays.
EP can then see a younger larger team with 3 scoring lines and a playoff sized and experienced defence.
Right now the Canucks can deal from at least being on par and not desperation
So basically trade two players that are playing well and get a scratch, a homesick guy, and a ufa bum
Some code
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No call-up to correspond is weird. Leaves us at 13F and 7D, with Suter on IR, so one player short of a roster spot and over $4M in cap.
Abby Canucks play on Friday and Saturday so if McWard isn't playing today, there's no reason to keep him around. This is also why I think Karlsson will play either today or Saturday. No reason to call him up when Studnicka was available. Abby Canucks are at home both days so if an injury happens, they can get someone immediately.
I think so too. I think they're going to add Bear and someone else.LATEST | Canucks to announce a reunion with Ethan Bear? Allvin finally opens up on the subject
The Canucks announced a transaction with the Blackhawks last night. Deal that sent Anthony Beauvilier and the entirity of his $4.15M cap hit to Chicago:www.canucksdaily.com
i think they are being patient and doing their homework before pulling the trigger on aquiring that d-man. maybe it happens before the roster freeze in december or in the new year.
But that's what makes this move so refreshing (in my eyes). I think this is our management team actually showing foresight. Seems pretty basic but all of Bennings moves felt forced and it felt like he had blinders on to the situations around the league.
theguardianII
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Trade two sporadic players with big cap hits and term? This is a bad idea based on 22 games compared to 160 games?
Code? Get bigger in the back end. Defence wins championships so far in the NHL too. Size wins.
The team will still have a few defence prospects for depth or in a year or two, just when a defender's contract is up.
A home sick guy, just how big is the community of his peers in Columbus? About 15 times bigger in Vancouver already.
UFA bum? Who Myers? Zaitsev will be much cheaper for a year or two. Although I would take Myers over Zaitsev but at a 7/8 spot the intangibles might be worth the risk. Both would be a steal. Defence depth cannot be valued enough.
If Boeser goes and just put Kuzmenko back there where he was last year. Garland hasn't done much here but Washington needs his speed and if he starts passing he would help them. Top 6 there.
Peeke and Voronkov are both younger than those going. Voronkov with Mik and Kuz with a possible Zardorov trade and I do think it can be worked out especially if Vancouver starts becoming a real playoff team where the draft picks will be in the late third of each round. A second for Zadorov, in a heart beat, maybe even add another pick.
Not only is skill being traded so is time.
Boeser in Columbus would help them on the PP this year. Even if there had to be more time traded, a sweetener would be a good trade NOW. Canucks just have to keep putting him in positions to score. Voronkov is bigger, younger and cheaper. He also is not playing any PP time. Peeke just can't crack the top 4 in Columbus, they are pretty good and young.
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Frank Saravelli was saying that even though the Canucks have some extra cap space...no D men are really available around the league..Teams like CAL,NAS,STL,NYI are all still in the mix, or doing retools, and are not ready to give away any significant players.
The Blackhawks have already been picked over, ..So , I guess this extra cap space could be in our back pockets for awhile.
The Blackhawks have already been picked over, ..So , I guess this extra cap space could be in our back pockets for awhile.
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Allvin has basically spent his cap space immediately at every opportunity so I would doubt he holds it for long. Plus being in LTIR, there's no point.
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It's looking like Bear and then flexibility for TDL to take on a bigger contract with less salary sent the other way.
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Please. Having cap space at the TDL is really valuable. I can't believe how badly some GM's handle this (cough cough dim Jim). I really wish the Canucks could figure this out.
At least we are playing well, and what moves we have been making are all positive. Either getting rid of cap at minor expense, or getting decent journeymen players at a decent cap hit. The very opposite of what dim Jim did all of the time.
Garland was a perfect example of incompetence. Made a horrible trade to acquire him, justified it by overvaluing him, and the proceeded to extend him for more than he was worth and for too long as well.
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Bear would make 5 defence under league average.
Bear will not be up to speed for another 6+ weeks.
Bear will not be cheap, there are other teams with either bigger problems or have larger defence men where Bear can be sheltered. Canucks need every penny of cap space for next year and the future OEL buyout cap hits over 4 million.
Bear is coming off shoulder surgery, Virtanen shoulder surgery and it took two years to sort out, other Canuck players had should surgery and ended their careers.
I like Bear but I want the Canucks to win a cup and big teams win a lot more the tiny ones.
Bear did impress me last year but now there is Hronek.
Don't need him anymore. They have Brzustewicz, Willander, Pettersson and the farm.
What is the love affair with some players? Even when Horvat was going he didn't get as much love. And Bear isn't even on the team or a Canuck.
Bear was a stop gap player IMO, okay until they got Hronek.
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