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[Nucker101]

Give me the Lindholm deal over the Monahan all day.

Better player overall by far(Lindholm is better offensively than he’s shown so far this season).

Bruz and the Kuz 5.5M cap dump was the main difference here.

So the Canucks paid a bit more for the vastly superior all around player while freeing up more cap flexibility for next season.

 

[TruGr1t]

You have to think that Allvin and co looked at matching up against Edmonton and Colorado in the playoffs and wanted more options against McDavid and MacKinnon.

Yes, Monahan for example cannot match up against those guys. Lindholm has above-average underlying defensive numbers against high-quality competition.

 

[Angry Little Elf]

You have to think that Allvin and co looked at matching up against Edmonton and Colorado in the playoffs and wanted more options against McDavid and MacKinnon.
Plus an improved PK and faceoff center to help against two great power plays.
This move really gives Tocchet a lot more options. A Lindholm, EP, and Mikheyev line could be a top defensive line while also providing offense and would also allow Tocchet to load up the Lotto line when trailing.
A second line of Kuzmenko, EP and Mikheyev would really hurt the matchup game.

Rick Dhaliwal on Halford and Brough specifically mentioned a game vs Colorado where Lindholm effectively shut the MacKinnon line down as the point where mgmt said “we gotta get this guy”

 

[Vector]

If the Canucks could swap whoever you think is the third best of their non-Hughes/Hronek defencemen for this year’s playoff run for Trouba, Byram, Pesce, etc. I’d think you’d be nuts to turn it down.

Oh yeah, I'd 100% do that. Canucks are rolling with a bunch of guys who are #4s on their best days behind Hughes/Hronek.

 

[Jerry the great]

I really don’t see much upside to Aman.

If you can use him as a trading chip for a much more physical and versatile winger that’s equal in value + contract, you do that. He’s not particularly strong down the middle despite being a center and though he provides good energy as a winger, again, I’d much rather have a physical presence there that can skate. It adds more of a different dynamic to our bottom 6.

for the rest of this season, i don't disagree. though i think you're overselling Pezzetta's versatility here. he is a north south grinder that plays physical. He doesn't play on the PK and doesn't get a lot of minutes generally. I'd target Sammy Blais for that role as he's basically the same player but has shown flashes of offense at time and is on an expiring contract. I disagree on Aman not having upside. No issue with moving Raty and something (Woo?) for Kovacevic though.

 

[TruGr1t]

Oh yeah, I'd 100% do that. Canucks are rolling with a bunch of guys who are #4s on their best days behind Hughes/Hronek.

I have wondered if one way to unlock some salary in a top-four deal would be to include Cole in the package. People talk about Mikheyev, but Cole is on an expiring deal and you could move off that $3M in a deal, and he's good enough to carry some value.

You do lose some experience possibly, but if you're upgrading to a true top four it shouldn't matter.

 

[Vector]

Trade grades from The Athletic for the two trades is nice from a "My Playstation is Better than your Xbox" perspective.

Lindholm Trade

Duhatschek
Canucks: B
Flames: B

Goldman
Canucks: B+
Flames: B-

Pronman
Canucks: B+
Flames: B-

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Monahan Trade

Gentille
Jets: C+
Canadiens: A+

Luszczyszyn
Jets: C-
Canadiens: A+

Goldman
Jets: C
Canadiens: A+

 

[Vector]

I have wondered if one way to unlock some salary in a top-four deal would be to include Cole in the package. People talk about Mikheyev, but Cole is on an expiring deal and you could move off that $3M in a deal, and he's good enough to carry some value.

You do lose some experience possibly, but if you're upgrading to a true top four it shouldn't matter.

The odds of them trading Cole is less than zero. Same with Myers, at this point.

 

[krutovsdonut]

cole is a cup winning veteran with size and attitude who has played top 4 hockey. he's the kind of guy we'd be looking to add.

an interesting guy who passes the penguin or swede test would be dumoulin. he's been a shadow of himself in seattle. is he really that done? would seattle retain to move him?

 

[Vector]

an interesting guy who passes the penguin or swede test would be dumoulin. he's been a shadow of himself in seattle. is he really that done? would seattle retain to move him?

Wut?

 

[Tact]

The only line that didn’t have chemistry was

Kuzmenko-Pettersson-Mikheyev

You don’t touch any other line including the top 6 defence. Maybe upgrade Aman to push him to extra but that’s about it IMO.

Now that we got Lindholm, that’s about it. Unless you upgrade Mikheyev, but let’s see how he plays now with Lindholm instead of Kuzmenko.

 

[Angry Little Elf]

I think the Canucks “lack of experience” in the playoffs is a little overblown. Yes, the Canucks as a whole don’t have much playoff experience but we have individuals who have had success in the playoffs such as Ian Cole and Teddy Blueger. Not to mention our coaching staff who have like 8 Stanley cups between them

 

[iceburg]

Who says hockey trades can't be done. Net trade results over the last year. I'd say that's a pretty good exchange overall, while managing the cap.

In	Out
Lindholm	Horvat
Hronek	Kuzmenko
Zadorov	Pearson
Raty	Brzustewicz
DeSmith	Schenn
Lafferty	Studnicka
Friedman	Lockwood
Glover	Rathbone
Cicek	Lazar
Kravtsov	Stillman
Bloom	Plasek
	Jurmo
Picks
	1st
	2nd
3rd	3rd
4th	4th
4th	5th
5th	5th
6th	7th

 

[sandwichbird2023]

I think the Canucks “lack of experience” in the playoffs is a little overblown. Yes, the Canucks as a whole don’t have much playoff experience but we have individuals who have had success in the playoffs such as Ian Cole and Teddy Blueger. Not to mention our coaching staff who have like 8 Stanley cups between them

Yea a little bit. Hughes, Petterson and Boeser played 2.5 rounds of playoff in the bubble season, including an intense, hard fought round against a top Vegas team. It isn't like they have zero playoff experience. Demko didn't play much in that run, but when he did, he was amazing. JTM has 78 playoff games under his belt already, I was surprised to see the number so high, but he is pretty much a playoff vet now.

I don't think playoff experience is going to be the deciding factor in too many situations.

 

[vancityluongo]

assuming these are the lines:

ep-miller-boeser
suter-lindholm-mik
joshua-blueger-garland
hog-aman-lafferty

hughes-hronek
soucy-myers
cole-zadarov

demko
desmith

underlined are guys who are imo elite/near the top of the league in that role - 1w, 2w, the entire 3rd line, 7w, 8w, 1d, 2d, 5d, 6d, 1g.

italicized are above average, as in there are better players in those spots around the league, but it would be nearly impossible to upgrade on them - 1c, 2c, 2g. if soucy was a #4 instead of the defacto #3, he'd fall in there. or if you shift cole up with myers, soucy is an elite #5.

so what can we upgrade? 3w, 4w, 4c, 3d, 4d. that's really not terrible.

similarly, if the top-6 looks like this:

lindholm-ep-mikheyev
suter-miller-boeser

ep is still elite as a #1c, miller is probably the best #2c in the league and brock is amongst the best second line wingers in the league. lindholm can probably hold his own as a first line winger, but mikheyev is a glaring weak spot as a below average #2w.

of course, no team is going to have elite players for every single role.

on the very bright side, i don't think any of these lineup configurations have a player who is drastically below average for their role (as suter was as a 2c between kuzmenko and mikheyev)

tl;dr - if there's a chance at upgrading on myers, or mikheyev, sure. but i don't know if adding guys like duclair or lybushkin really does much.

 

[ziploc]

Who says hockey trades can't be done. Net trade results over the last year. I'd say that's a pretty good exchange overall, while managing the cap.

In	Out
Lindholm	Horvat
Hronek	Kuzmenko
Zadorov	Pearson
Raty	Brzustewicz
DeSmith	Schenn
Lafferty	Studnicka
Friedman	Lockwood
Glover	Rathbone
Cicek	Lazar
Kravtsov	Stillman
Bloom	Plasek
	Jurmo
Picks
	1st
	2nd
3rd	3rd
4th	4th
4th	5th
5th	5th
6th	7th

That is awesome. 5/6 players who give significant value to the Canucks, while parting with really only 1/2 (Horvat, sort of Kuz). Horvat probably wasn't going to be re-signed, and Kuz had become a costly liability.

The biggest costs here are Brz and the 1st and 2nd draft picks. Acceptable costs for a shot at the cup.

assuming these are the lines:

ep-miller-boeser
suter-lindholm-mik
joshua-blueger-garland
hog-aman-lafferty

hughes-hronek
soucy-myers
cole-zadarov

demko
desmith

underlined are guys who are imo elite/near the top of the league in that role - 1w, 2w, the entire 3rd line, 7w, 8w, 1d, 2d, 5d, 6d, 1g.

italicized are above average, as in there are better players in those spots around the league, but it would be nearly impossible to upgrade on them - 1c, 2c, 2g. if soucy was a #4 instead of the defacto #3, he'd fall in there. or if you shift cole up with myers, soucy is an elite #5.

so what can we upgrade? 3w, 4w, 4c, 3d, 4d. that's really not terrible.

similarly, if the top-6 looks like this:

lindholm-ep-mikheyev
suter-miller-boeser

ep is still elite as a #1c, miller is probably the best #2c in the league and brock is amongst the best second line wingers in the league. lindholm can probably hold his own as a first line winger, but mikheyev is a glaring weak spot as a below average #2w.

of course, no team is going to have elite players for every single role.

on the very bright side, i don't think any of these lineup configurations have a player who is drastically below average for their role (as suter was as a 2c between kuzmenko and mikheyev)

tl;dr - if there's a chance at upgrading on myers, or mikheyev, sure. but i don't know if adding guys like duclair or lybushkin really does much.

I would run Option B as a matter of course (and switch up EP/Lindholm at Centre/Wing), and run Option A for emergency scoring pop. This gives us some ridiculous flexibility in the top 6, and also doesn't touch our bottom 6 which is potentially best in the league.

 

[bossram]

He said it is likely their big ticket item is done - that’s probably them assuming Guentzel will be re-signed.

Who knows what happens if he becomes available? JR and PA definitely keeps us on our toes when it comes to trades.

Sure, it's possible. I'm looking at the balance of probabilities - highly unlikely.

I don't think they are moving Lekk or Willander for a rental. And they just used their next best trade chips (2024 1st, Hunter B) on Lindholm.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Yea a little bit. Hughes, Petterson and Boeser played 2.5 rounds of playoff in the bubble season, including an intense, hard fought round against a top Vegas team. It isn't like they have zero playoff experience. Demko didn't play much in that run, but when he did, he was amazing. JTM has 78 playoff games under his belt already, I was surprised to see the number so high, but he is pretty much a playoff vet now.

I don't think playoff experience is going to be the deciding factor in too many situations.

"Well that's the thing about inexperience, you don't know any better!"

"The upside of inexperience is you don't know when to quit!"

Who else remembers?

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

Vatrano for a 3rd let’s goooooo

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I wonder if, given the rumors that the Canucks have been interested in Greenway all year, the Canucks might have interest in Pat Maroon? Cheap contract, boatload of playoff experience, big body that's tough to handle. I imagine he'll be going to a playoff team, but wonder if the Canucks may have interest as a rental to finish out the year.

 

[iceburg]

That is awesome. 5/6 players who give significant value to the Canucks, while parting with really only 1/2 (Horvat, sort of Kuz). Horvat probably wasn't going to be re-signed, and Kuz had become a costly liability.

The biggest costs here are Brz and the 1st and 2nd draft picks. Acceptable costs for a shot at the cup.


I would run Option B as a matter of course (and switch up EP/Lindholm at Centre/Wing), and run Option A for emergency scoring pop. This gives us some ridiculous flexibility in the top 6, and also doesn't touch our bottom 6 which is potentially best in the league.

Precisely. And, if Lindholm can be signed for significantly less than Horvat that will once again support the decision to not sign Horvat to that 8x$8.5M contract. If they don't re-sign Lindholm, that gives them the flexibility to use the cap space elsewhere.

Interestingly, Horvay and Lindholm have identical points/g averages for their careers. They are both exactly 0.688 points per game. Horvat has slight better average in goals but Lindholm has a 40+ goal season.
Lindholm is a better defensive player than Horvat. The narrative that Horvat is better offensively doesn't really hold up from the stats. He may be slgihtly better but the margin is small.

 

[Nucker101]

Vatrano for a 3rd let’s goooooo

No way he goes that cheap

 

[Zombotron]

it's not like EP solo-carried his team to a championship in a men's league in his D+1 or anything

 

[Deeds26]

No way he goes that cheap

Was about to say the same thing until HFBoards live updated.

Would most likely take a 2nd + another asset as he is signed for next year as well. Anaheim won't be trading him for the sake of trading him.

 

[arttk]

Yikes, Monahan makes Lindholm trade look cheap.