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[sandwichbird2023]

I guess I'll post it here for comparison's sake.

This is exactly what I predicted, other teams like the Jets (and potentially Avs, Bruins, etc down the road) get desperate for a 2C and pay a high price for an inferior player to Lindholm. We traded a slightly worse 1st round pick, but got Lindholm over Monahan (not insignificant upgrade). The only difference is we traded a B-level prospect in Bruz for that upgrade and to remove $5.5m salary for this season and next. I think, relative to the Jets, we got the better deal.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

THIS IS WHAT I ALREADY TOLD YOU TO DO BILLY!

Sorry i have you blocked

jk jk, thank you regardless

 

[Vector]

Sorry i have you blocked

jk jk, thank you regardless

If this means I have to fix less of your posts, then it's all good!

 

[bossram]

Kovacevic is someone I want. Ticks a lot of boxes and there's no risk attached given his contract.

I wonder given the Monahan trade and MTL's general lack of center depth, something based around Raty + another medium-level asset would be of interest to them.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

If this means I have to fix less of your posts, then it's all good!

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[bossram]

If Guentzel is available at TDL - I would be all in like Lindholm - he’s my target, putting Mikheyev in the package and then a separate depth defencemen trade and be done.

If he’s not - I look for bottom 6 upgrade to push Aman in a depth role and a defence upgrade. Perhaps maybe look for another tweener up front for cheap if it makes sense/available.

Also, unfortunately Tanev is going to have to wait for offseason to come here.

I think that would be my strategy towards TDL.

I think their big ticket items are done, and Allvin/JR pretty much said so..

Another depth defensemen (give us Kovacevic!) and forward to push Aman might be the only things that shake loose now.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Problem is all of Colorado's defencemen, except for Makar, have taken a step back. Same people but they are all playing slightly worse. Vegas and Dallas have good defence, and I'm not saying every contender is comparable to the Canucks, but the rest of the league looks about on par with one super star leading the way and a bunch of supporting pieces with warts.

It's no coincidence they took a step back after losing Landeskog and Kadri who absorbed some tough heavy minutes up front.

Also Drouin, Colton, Wood, Ryan Johansen are massive downgrades from Landkeskog, Kadri, Burakovsky, Nichushkin (unknown if he will be back before seasons end).

 

[pitseleh]

Problem is all of Colorado's defencemen, except for Makar, have taken a step back. Same people but they are all playing slightly worse. Vegas and Dallas have good defence, and I'm not saying every contender is comparable to the Canucks, but the rest of the league looks about on par with one super star leading the way and a bunch of supporting pieces with warts.

That may be but I’d still take any of them (ignoring contracts) over what the Canucks have.

Out of the East, only Florida is as weak as the Canucks currently are. All of Boston, New York, and Carolina have second pairings that are miles better than the Canucks’.

 

[thecupismine]

If anyone thought the price for Lindholm was steep, I would suggest they look at this Monahan deal. The gap between the deals is Hunter, and if you assign any value to Kuzmenko beyond his cap dump status.

When you're in your window, you absolutely give up the B prospect for the difference between the two. One is commiting to Derek Roy in 2012, the other is getting a 2014 Ryan Kesler who may or may not rebound to their previous form. I know which one I'd rather have.

 

[Wisp]

Rutherford and Allvin legitimately sent Cheveldayoff scrambling. Despite what point totals might indicate, Lindholm is the superior player. Monahan's resurgence is powerplay driven.

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

Interesting, either the Canucks or the Jets or more likely neither, win these bets this year.

Resigning either makes new wagers for subsequent years.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

This massively undersells the difference. Soucy would have been playing bottom pairing minutes on all of those teams but is this team’s third best defender. Guys like Cernak, McDonough, Bouwmeester, and Byram were all playing like 2/3 defenders when their teams won the cup.

Vegas is closer, and I can seem more room for disagreement, but I’d take any of their 3-6 defenders over any of this team’s 3-6 defenders for a single playoff run.

Can you win with a defence like this team’s? Yes. But it would be a ~25%ile or worse defence in the last 20-25 years and is definitely the weakest point on this team right now.

Looking at lineup on dailyfaceoff.com, I don't think we are significantly worse than any of the other cup contenders.

Avs: Makar, Toews, Girard, Manson, Byram, Malinski, Jack Johnson
Canes: Slavin, Burns, Skjei, Pesce, Orlov, Chatfield
Stars: Heiskanen, Harley, Lindell, Hakanpaa, Suter, Lundkvist
Oilers: Ekholm, Bouchard, Nurse, Ceci, Kulak, Desharnais
Panthers: Forsling, Ekblad, Mikkola, Montour, OEL, Kulikov
Rangers: Fox, Miller, Trouba, Lindgren, Schneider, Gustafsson
Lightning: Hedman, Sergachev, Cernak, Raddysh, Perbix, De Haan
Knights: Pietrangelo, Theodore, Martinez, McNabb, Whitecloud, Hague
Jets: Morrissey, Demelo, Pionk, Dillon, Schmidt, Samberg

Canucks: Hughes, Hronek, Soucy, Cole, Myers, Zadorov, Juulsen

Aside from the Canes and maybe the Knights, I don't think we match up too badly with any other team. Our top 2 of Hughes/Hronek is better than any duo except for maybe the Avs. Some teams might have a better #3 than us, but our #4-6 of Zadorov/Cole/Myers is better than most of the other teams #4-6. That also doesn't take into account that some of the other team's players are playing below their expected level this season, so while their roster might look better on paper, they are not performing as well as expected.

In a capped league, every team is going to have holes. Sure one or two injuries on the blueline can sink us, but you can say that for every other team as well. Luck plays a big part in winning a cup. I don't think many teams have a deeper blueline than the 2011 Canucks (arguably 5 top pairing D plus a very good Tanev ready to step in), yet even they aren't deep enough if you run into extreme bad luck.

 

[Vector]

That may be but I’d still take any of them (ignoring contracts) over what the Canucks have.

Out of the East, only Florida is as weak as the Canucks currently are. All of Boston, New York, and Carolina have second pairings that are miles better than the Canucks’.

Rangers defence, like the Avalanche, just isn't as good as advertised. Trouba is increasingly a liability, Schneider hasn't taken a step forward, and Lindgren is always injured. At least that's what I've read and seen in my limited viewings. Hurricanes defence has taken a step back as well. They're probably both better than the Canucks group but I don't think the second pairings are miles better anymore.

I'll leave a lot of room for my evaluations to be based on older information and several players have now rounded into form.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

So essentially the same price for Monahan and Lindholm. Only the Canucks added Bruz to dump Kuzmenko and free salary this season and next.

Nice work by Allvin.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

The Monahan deal really makes me happy we went after Lindholm instead.
Best center depth we’ve had since 2011.

Arguably it's better than 2011. That team was still better though.

 

[Angry Little Elf]

Arguably it's better than 2011. That team was still better though.

Manny Malhotra’s injury really hurt our centre depth in 2011.

 

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[LemonSauceD]

Kovacevic is someone I want. Ticks a lot of boxes and there's no risk attached given his contract.

Kovacevic and Pezzetta for Raty, Aman, and a 4th.

Kovacevic is intriguing for sure. Could be a Myers level replacement next year with the way he’s playing for Montreal.

 

[Tact]

I think their big ticket items are done, and Allvin/JR pretty much said so..

Another depth defensemen (give us Kovacevic!) and forward to push Aman might be the only things that shake loose now.

He said it is likely their big ticket item is done - that’s probably them assuming Guentzel will be re-signed.

Who knows what happens if he becomes available? JR and PA definitely keeps us on our toes when it comes to trades.

 

[Jerry the great]

Kovacevic and Pezzetta for Raty, Aman, and a 4th.

Kovacevic is intriguing for sure. Could be a Myers level replacement next year with the way he’s playing for Montreal.

I would not be super keen on trading Aman. Cheap for two more years, good system guy that has flashed some skill and plays well with Hoglander. he really just needs to get bigger and stronger.

 

[TruGr1t]

Monahan is a better puck distributor than Lindholm, but benchmarks way lower almost everywhere else (EV D, finishing, etc). Except on the PK, where he's been more effective, though in about half the short-handed minutes. His quality of competition to generate those results has also been way lower than Lindholm's.

Not that it needs to be said, but you're looking at a 1st/2nd liner versus a 2nd/3rd liner here.

Only reason Monahan may have been somewhat interesting for Vancouver is he could have been possibly extended on an affordable, short-term deal, where Lindholm is obviously going to be expensive.

On a cost-for-cost basis, Lindholm all day for the Canucks.

 

[LemonSauceD]

I would not be super keen on trading Aman. Cheap for two more years, good system guy that has flashed some skill and plays well with Hoglander. he really just needs to get bigger and stronger.

I really don’t see much upside to Aman.

If you can use him as a trading chip for a much more physical and versatile winger that’s equal in value + contract, you do that. He’s not particularly strong down the middle despite being a center and though he provides good energy as a winger, again, I’d much rather have a physical presence there that can skate as well as him. It adds more of a different dynamic to our bottom 6.

 

[pitseleh]

Rangers defence, like the Avalanche, just isn't as good as advertised. Trouba is increasingly a liability, Schneider hasn't taken a step forward, and Lindgren is always injured. At least that's what I've read and seen in my limited viewings. Hurricanes defence has taken a step back as well. They're probably both better than the Canucks group but I don't think the second pairings are miles better anymore.

I'll leave a lot of room for my evaluations to be based on older information and several players have now rounded into form.

That’s fair on the Rangers - they’re closer to the Canucks than most.

But I’d disagree on the Hurricanes. I think they’re a team where bad goaltending is being interpreted as the defence regressing. Their defensive numbers are just as excellent as they have been for a few season. They have five defencemen who would be this team’s second or third best.

Conversely this team has gotten poor results when Hughes/Hronek haven’t been on the ice that’s been papered over by Demko being unreal.

If the Canucks could swap whoever you think is the third best of their non-Hughes/Hronek defencemen for this year’s playoff run for Trouba, Byram, Pesce, etc. I’d think you’d be nuts to turn it down.

 

[Wisp]

Habs should send Canucks a big thank you card. Montreal never gets that if not for Allvin and Rutherford sending the market into a panic.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

You have to think that Allvin and co looked at matching up against Edmonton and Colorado in the playoffs and wanted more options against McDavid and MacKinnon.
Plus an improved PK and faceoff center to help against two great power plays.
This move really gives Tocchet a lot more options. A Lindholm, EP, and Mikheyev line could be a top defensive line while also providing offense and would also allow Tocchet to load up the Lotto line when trailing.
A second line of Kuzmenko, EP and Mikheyev would really hurt the matchup game.