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[Tact]

If Guentzel is available at TDL - I would be all in like Lindholm - he’s my target, putting Mikheyev in the package and then a separate depth defencemen trade and be done.

If he’s not - I look for bottom 6 upgrade to push Aman in a depth role and a defence upgrade. Perhaps maybe look for another tweener up front for cheap if it makes sense/available.

Also, unfortunately Tanev is going to have to wait for offseason to come here.

I think that would be my strategy towards TDL.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I disagree, it’s at the low ended, but when everyone is healthy it’s a solid group.

I disagree based on you adding the qualifier when healthy.

Defenseman on this team historically, like since I began watching, go down like flies at some point. Could be travel, luck, whatever, since I’ve started watching there have been more years where we have multiple defenseman out at a time, than not.

So no, I don’t think it’s a solid group. Only when you add the qualifier when healthy, does that ring true at least in my opinion. I’d say right in the ballpark of 16th best - league average. Our team play and Demko have made it look loads better than it actually is.

My early pessimistic prediction is that our undoing this year is high danger chances against, and the defense will look slow. But, as Vancouver does, I think a very vocal portion of blame will go to Demko - unfairly might I add.

 

[JT Milker]

Friedman, Raty, and 2025 2nd for Tanev at 50% would work cap wise. Not sure if that’s enough for Calgary though, especially with the retention and the 2025 pick instead of 2024 (since we don’t have one).

 

[oceanchild]

I disagree based on you adding the qualifier when healthy.

Defenseman on this team historically, like since I began watching, go down like flies at some point. Could be travel, luck, whatever, since I’ve started watching there have been more years where we have multiple defenseman out at a time, than not.

So no, I don’t think it’s a solid group. Only when you add the qualifier when healthy, does that ring true at least in my opinion. I’d say right in the ballpark of 16th best - league average. Our team play and Demko have made it look loads better than it actually is.

My early pessimistic prediction is that our undoing this year is high danger chances against, and the defense will look slow. But, as Vancouver does, I think a very vocal portion of blame will go to Demko - unfairly might I add.

I mean no team has a defensive group that is 8 deep or at least rarely. To some extent every team needs some luck in terms of injuries. I also think to add an impact player to the group cap wise, someone else needs to come out of the group. So maybe you trade Myers and add Tanev and someone else. But this defensive group is good when healthy, but lacks a true number 3 IMO. I have been advocating to spend the assets to upgrade the right side for awhile.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Has anyone compiled a list of gritty sandpaper bottom 6ers who like to play on the edge and might be attainable? This is something I’d love to see.

Pezzetta, Duhaime, Greenway, Bjugstad, Olivier, Jones, Kunin, Trenin, Bastian, McCarron, Carrick, Krebs

Pezzetta personally I like the most

 

[JT Milker]

We’re going to win the cup, Pettersson is going to refuse to sign so we’ll leverage his playoff run to trade him for Jack Hughes to unite a pair of brothers again, use the cap savings to run back the same team, and win the cup again next year. Heard it here first.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Monahen to Winnipeg

Expect it to be cheaper than Lindholm

 

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Expect it to be cheaper than Lindholm

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[ziploc]

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Monahen to Winnipeg

Expect it to be cheaper than Lindholm

I prefer Lindholm to Monahan. Fits our team needs far better, and I'm glad the Jets and the Avs didn't get him.

This is an interesting move for Winnipeg though. The West could load up pretty quick, and the playoffs should be a bloodbath.

 

[Jerry the great]

If Guentzel is available at TDL - I would be all in like Lindholm - he’s my target, putting Mikheyev in the package and then a separate depth defencemen trade and be done.

If he’s not - I look for bottom 6 upgrade to push Aman in a depth role and a defence upgrade. Perhaps maybe look for another tweener up front for cheap if it makes sense/available.

Also, unfortunately Tanev is going to have to wait for offseason to come here.

I think that would be my strategy towards TDL.

It will be fascinating to see how Dubas plays this trade deadline. Seems like they are kind of screwed whether they sign Guentzel or move him.

He's the only one of the big 5 that has much tread left on the tires. Sid has some hockey left, but you have to wonder how much. If it was me, I'd move him and I'd probably look for the best futures package possible.

I think the Pens window is closed and they have absolutely nothing on the farm. Guentzel (Jarry too i suppose from the same draft) is the last needle moving player they drafted, developed and kept.....more than a decade has passed. since then.....nothing significant.

If Dubas feels like they owe it to Sid to make a hockey move. I can see Mikheyev being a piece to get a conversation started. Maybe Mikheyev + Podkolzin and our 2025 first (top 15 protected).

 

[Flik]

Getting waaaaaaaaaay ahead of myself but I would be absolutely stoked to see a Vancouver vs Winnipeg WCF.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

A first and a conditional pick for Monahen

Montreal did it again, Chiarot 2.0

 

[pitseleh]

I think the Canucks defense is fairly comparable to all the past Cup winners. Obviously the direct comparisons aren’t exact and coaching systems make players thrive better but it’s just to give a general idea. I don’t think those defense corps entirely blow the Canucks current D out of the water.

This massively undersells the difference. Soucy would have been playing bottom pairing minutes on all of those teams but is this team’s third best defender. Guys like Cernak, McDonough, Bouwmeester, and Byram were all playing like 2/3 defenders when their teams won the cup.

Vegas is closer, and I can seem more room for disagreement, but I’d take any of their 3-6 defenders over any of this team’s 3-6 defenders for a single playoff run.

Can you win with a defence like this team’s? Yes. But it would be a ~25%ile or worse defence in the last 20-25 years and is definitely the weakest point on this team right now.

 

[Jerry the great]

A first and a conditional pick for Monahen

Montreal did it again, Chiarot 2.0

This is how you rebuild/tool. take on reclamation projects for a fee, manage the project and sell it for another fee. Using patience as a weapon. It is pretty hilarious they are going to make the Winnipeg pick this year and the Calgary pick in 2025 (which has ~97 conditions stapled to it).

 

[Vector]

This massively undersells the difference. Soucy would have been playing bottom pairing minutes on all of those teams but is this team’s third best defender. Guys like Cernak, McDonough, Bouwmeester, and Byram were all playing like 2/3 defenders when their teams won the cup.

Vegas is closer, and I can seem more room for disagreement, but I’d take any of their 3-6 defenders over any of this team’s 3-6 defenders for a single playoff run.

Can you win with a defence like this team’s? Yes. But it would be a ~25%ile or worse defence in the last 20-25 years and is definitely the weakest point on this team right now.

While all true, I think the way the defences of this year's crop of contenders is weaker than we've seen in the past. Luckily the 2024 Canucks are not facing the 2022 Avalanche.

 

[Jyrki21]

We’re going to win the cup, Pettersson is going to refuse to sign so we’ll leverage his playoff run to trade him for Jack Hughes to unite a pair of brothers again, use the cap savings to run back the same team, and win the cup again next year. Heard it here first.

That last sentence is indisputable.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

The performance gap between Sean Monahan and Elias Lindholm is much larger than their respective trade returns. Nice work by Allvin.

Surprised Winnipeg didn't just outbid us. They needed Lindholm much worse than we do, and have far more assets.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

This is how you rebuild/tool. take on reclamation projects for a fee, manage the project and sell it for another fee. Using patience as a weapon. It is pretty hilarious they are going to make the Winnipeg pick this year and the Calgary pick in 2025 (which has ~97 conditions stapled to it).

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Their biggest issue is that they cant draft in the first round
Still missing that franchise level talent after two top 5 picks (including a first OA)

 

[Vector]

I guess I'll post it here for comparison's sake.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

The Monahan deal really makes me happy we went after Lindholm instead.
Best center depth we’ve had since 2011.
If we can add a D who can move into the top 4 with injuries I think we are in the mix with the top teams. Still a tough road out of the West but it will never be easy so might as well take a run at it.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

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[Billy Kvcmu]

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let's see if it works

And LA finally fired McLallen, watch out for a coach change bump

edit: IT WORKS, no need to delete anything after the dollar sign

 

[pitseleh]

While all true, I think the way the defences of this year's crop of contenders is weaker than we've seen in the past. Luckily the 2024 Canucks are not facing the 2022 Avalanche.

Colorado’s defence is basically the same this year as in 2022, except Byram is more established? Vegas’ is basically the same too. Thomas Harley has broken out big time and is miles better than someone like Soucy. The Oilers are more comparable but they have prime Wayne Gretzky up front.

 

[Vector]

Colorado’s defence is basically the same this year as in 2022, except Byram is more established? Vegas’ is basically the same too. Thomas Harley has broken out big time and is miles better than someone like Soucy. The Oilers are more comparable but they have prime Wayne Gretzky up front.

Problem is all of Colorado's defencemen, except for Makar, have taken a step back. Same people but they are all playing slightly worse. Vegas and Dallas have good defence, and I'm not saying every contender is comparable to the Canucks, but the rest of the league looks about on par with one super star leading the way and a bunch of supporting pieces with warts.

 

[Vector]

let's see if it works

And LA finally fired McLallen, watch out for a coach change bump

edit: IT WORKS, no need to delete anything after the dollar sign

THIS IS WHAT I ALREADY TOLD YOU TO DO BILLY!