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[Reverend Mayhem]

Pittsburgh won back to back cups with a defence consisting of Letang/Schultz/Dumoulin/Daley/Cole/Maatta
I’d say our current defence compares favorably to that.

I agree it can be done, but 1 example does not make a rule. And it’s not like it’s just an on paper issue, it’s something I notice every game. We defend so much better now, but we don’t defend like a Cup team. It’s very much Demko dependent.

I agree you could win with what we’ve got, I just wouldn’t bet on it.

I think the defence is fine but needs at least one more piece; either a regular or depth. Hell, looking around at most other contenders and there’s not much separating them. Would probably take the Canucks mix over most.

It’s middle of the road. As said, it can be done. If we could get Tanev for a reasonable price, I’d do it. It doesn’t need to be this massive piece that changes the entire complexion of the team, just a solid 4-5 RSD that is proficient defensively and on the breakout.

I can I just say, I love that these are the disagreements we get to have now. I love this team, I love this city. You guys are alright.

 

[Nuckles]

After reading some comments these past couple of days, I don't know why there are some people who only want to get a couple of depth pieces and not another bigger piece like a top 4 D.

Canucks had that same strategy in 2011+2012 and well...
Higgins and Lapierre were very effective and good value bottom 6 acquisitions, but as we saw injuries can happen, especially in a deep playoff run.
And in 2012 they only added Pahlsson and Kassian.

No 1st or 2nd round picks traded. None of their top prospects moved aside from Hodgson for Kassian, but that was a whole thing...

I get they already acquired Lindholm, I get it hurts to lose more valuable future/young assets, but now might be their best chance of winning a cup in a while. Moving forward there's going to be cap headaches (EP+Hronek RFAs, OEL buyout, Lindholm, etc), some guys could regress, there could be major injuries, anything can happen.

I'm not saying to trade Lekkerimaki or Willander for an upcoming UFA, but the 2025 1st+2nd picks and most of their prospects (including Podkolzin) should absolutely be on the table. Especially so if it's for someone signed beyond this season or who can realistically (and likely) be re-signed.

Don't squander this opportunity.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

We should have done more in 2012, looking back that team was gassed from the previous season.

I don’t think we should mess with the chemistry too much. I wouldn’t move out another roster player, and make 1 possibly 2 more player acquisitions.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Not sure if this has been posted. Again, I don’t see us having the assets to acquire Tanev, but there’s still a lot of smoke that the Canucks want to make it happen.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Not sure if this has been posted. Again, I don’t see us having the assets to acquire Tanev, but there’s still a lot of smoke that the Canucks want to make it happen.

Yeah, I’m assuming the asset is something we don’t have. Our best prospect to dangle has been spent already. If you can get Tanev for a 2nd and something we already have not on the roster, whose last name doesn’t start with P, L, W, or possibly B. I make that trade.

 

[Angry Little Elf]

Not sure if this has been posted. Again, I don’t see us having the assets to acquire Tanev, but there’s still a lot of smoke that the Canucks want to make it happen.

Doesn’t Tanev have an NTC? I wonder if he could force his way to Vancouver

 

[platotld]

Way too much term for Joshua. I think you are seeing a career year and a player that will start to decline over the next 3 years. That might sound ridiculous to some but bottom of the roster forwards like this will have a short peak. Joshua is 28 in May most term I would offer is 2yrs.

This is my crazy opine ... from the day we signed Jojo (Joshua) I've had this burrows feeling about him.

Burrows (was 25 when he started to juice)

Alexandre Burrows​

Right Wing -- shoots L
Born Apr 11 1981 -- Pincourt, PQ
[42 yrs. ago]
Height 6.01 -- Weight 197 [185 cm/89 kg]

2004-05	Manitoba Moose	AHL	72	9	17	26	107	3	14	0	3	3	37
2005-06	Manitoba Moose	AHL	33	12	18	30	57	1	13	6	7	13	27
2005-06	Vancouver Canucks	NHL	43	7	5	12	61	5	--	--	--	--	--
2006-07	Vancouver Canucks	NHL	81	3	6	9	93	-7	11	1	0	1	14
2007-08	Vancouver Canucks	NHL	82	12	19	31	179	11	--	--	--	--	--
2008-09	Vancouver Canucks	NHL	82	28	23	51	150	23	10	3	1	4	20
2009-10	Vancouver Canucks	NHL	82	35	32	67	121	34	12	3	3	6	22
2010-11	Vancouver Canucks	NHL	72	26	22	48	77	26	25	9	8	17	34
2011-12	Vancouver Canucks	NHL	80	28	24	52	90	24	5	1	0	1

Joshusa

Dakota Joshua​

Center -- shoots L
Born May 15 1996 -- Dearborn, MI
[27 yrs. ago]
Height 6.03 -- Weight 206 [191 cm/93 kg]

2017-18	Ohio State University	Big-10	34	15	11	26	32	3
2018-19	Ohio State University	Big-10	32	9	13	22	67	4
2019-20	San Antonio Rampage	AHL	30	3	4	7	25	1
2019-20	Tulsa Oilers	ECHL	20	3	8	11	4	5
2020-21	St. Louis Blues	NHL	12	1	0	1	7	-3	--	--	--	--	--
2020-21	Utica Comets	AHL	6	2	1	3	2	2	--	--	--	--	--
2021-22	St. Louis Blues	NHL	30	3	5	8	16	6	1	0	0	0	0
2021-22	Springfield Thunderbirds	AHL	35	9	11	20	23	-3	18	7	8	15	58
2022-23	Vancouver Canucks	NHL	79	11	12	23	60	-16	--	--	--	--	--
2023-24	Vancouver Canucks	NHL	48	12	11	23	39	14

Difference being we did not have Jojo in our farm system to watch and see his growth, but what I do see is a simular growth in terms of being a pest, hitting and supplemental scoring. If I were the canucks and his trending stats were the same til year end, 4 x 2.5 million is gold.

Thank you for reading my long ass reply.

 

[Angry Little Elf]

 

[TruGr1t]

Not sure if this has been posted. Again, I don’t see us having the assets to acquire Tanev, but there’s still a lot of smoke that the Canucks want to make it happen.

Interesting, though a bit vague on the second asset. Rumor was they asked for Hoglander from the Canucks. So was that Hoglander + draft pick.

 

[PG Canuck]

I’ve had my eye on his name all year. That’d be another good add. For all the work we’ve done, our defense is realistically nowhere near Cup level.

Vegas:
Pietrangelo -> Hughes
Theodore -> Hronek
Martinez -> Soucy
Hague -> Zadorov
McNabb -> Cole
Whitecloud -> Myers/Juulsen

Colorado:
Makar -> Hughes
Toews -> Hronek
Girard -> Soucy
EJohnson -> Myers
Byram -> Cole
Manson -> Zadorov

Lightning:
Hedman -> Hughes
Sergachev -> Hronek
Cernak -> Myers
McDonagh -> Soucy
Rutta -> Cole
Schenn -> Zadorov

Blues:
Pietrangelo -> Hughes
Parayko -> Hronek
Dunn -> Myers
Bouwmeester -> Soucy
Edmundson -> Cole
Bortuzzo -> Zadorov

I think the Canucks defense is fairly comparable to all the past Cup winners. Obviously the direct comparisons aren’t exact and coaching systems make players thrive better but it’s just to give a general idea. I don’t think those defense corps entirely blow the Canucks current D out of the water.

It’s a tough defense that is trying to follow the Vegas model of being physical and they seem to be achieving that as the Canucks as a whole have as many hits as Vegas this year.

A slight upgrade on the backend, which I think they still do, makes this a viable Cup winning defense, in my opinion, especially with Juulsen/Friedman and then a Cole/Zadorov being an extra if an upgrade is made. That’s nice depth.

A Hughes/Hronek/Soucy/Tanev type of defense should be one to get you to the WCF and it’s an absolute failure if it doesn’t but I don’t know if Tanev is possible anymore.

 

[DFAC]

After reading some comments these past couple of days, I don't know why there are some people who only want to get a couple of depth pieces and not another bigger piece like a top 4 D.

Canucks had that same strategy in 2011+2012 and well...
Higgins and Lapierre were very effective and good value bottom 6 acquisitions, but as we saw injuries can happen, especially in a deep playoff run.
And in 2012 they only added Pahlsson and Kassian.

No 1st or 2nd round picks traded. None of their top prospects moved aside from Hodgson for Kassian, but that was a whole thing...

I get they already acquired Lindholm, I get it hurts to lose more valuable future/young assets, but now might be their best chance of winning a cup in a while. Moving forward there's going to be cap headaches (EP+Hronek RFAs, OEL buyout, Lindholm, etc), some guys could regress, there could be major injuries, anything can happen.

I'm not saying to trade Lekkerimaki or Willander for an upcoming UFA, but the 2025 1st+2nd picks and most of their prospects (including Podkolzin) should absolutely be on the table. Especially so if it's for someone signed beyond this season or who can realistically (and likely) be re-signed.

Don't squander this opportunity.

Higgins and Lappiere were such great additions to the 2011 team. I wonder who could be a similar target this year?

 

[Angry Little Elf]

Soucy is such a big part of the D corps. His stick work is such an underrated part of his game. Hope he’s able to get some games before the playoffs

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

This is my crazy opine ... from the day we signed Jojo (Joshua) I've had this burrows feeling about him.

Burrows (was 25 when he started to juice)

Alexandre Burrows​

Right Wing -- shoots L
Born Apr 11 1981 -- Pincourt, PQ
[42 yrs. ago]
Height 6.01 -- Weight 197 [185 cm/89 kg]

2004-05	Manitoba Moose	AHL	72	9	17	26	107	3	14	0	3	3	37
2005-06	Manitoba Moose	AHL	33	12	18	30	57	1	13	6	7	13	27
2005-06	Vancouver Canucks	NHL	43	7	5	12	61	5	--	--	--	--	--
2006-07	Vancouver Canucks	NHL	81	3	6	9	93	-7	11	1	0	1	14
2007-08	Vancouver Canucks	NHL	82	12	19	31	179	11	--	--	--	--	--
2008-09	Vancouver Canucks	NHL	82	28	23	51	150	23	10	3	1	4	20
2009-10	Vancouver Canucks	NHL	82	35	32	67	121	34	12	3	3	6	22
2010-11	Vancouver Canucks	NHL	72	26	22	48	77	26	25	9	8	17	34
2011-12	Vancouver Canucks	NHL	80	28	24	52	90	24	5	1	0	1

Joshusa

Dakota Joshua​

Center -- shoots L
Born May 15 1996 -- Dearborn, MI
[27 yrs. ago]
Height 6.03 -- Weight 206 [191 cm/93 kg]

2017-18	Ohio State University	Big-10	34	15	11	26	32	3
2018-19	Ohio State University	Big-10	32	9	13	22	67	4
2019-20	San Antonio Rampage	AHL	30	3	4	7	25	1
2019-20	Tulsa Oilers	ECHL	20	3	8	11	4	5
2020-21	St. Louis Blues	NHL	12	1	0	1	7	-3	--	--	--	--	--
2020-21	Utica Comets	AHL	6	2	1	3	2	2	--	--	--	--	--
2021-22	St. Louis Blues	NHL	30	3	5	8	16	6	1	0	0	0	0
2021-22	Springfield Thunderbirds	AHL	35	9	11	20	23	-3	18	7	8	15	58
2022-23	Vancouver Canucks	NHL	79	11	12	23	60	-16	--	--	--	--	--
2023-24	Vancouver Canucks	NHL	48	12	11	23	39	14

Difference being we did not have Jojo in our farm system to watch and see his growth, but what I do see is a simular growth in terms of being a pest, hitting and supplemental scoring. If I were the canucks and his trending stats were the same til year end, 4 x 2.5 million is gold.

Thank you for reading my long ass reply.

I thought you meant stylistically and was about to call you crazy but realize you mean career.

I could see it, I didn’t think he had this much offense to provide. I just wish he’d play his body more. I want to see him go Rypien and just body 3 guys in the playoffs.

 

[TruGr1t]

After reading some comments these past couple of days, I don't know why there are some people who only want to get a couple of depth pieces and not another bigger piece like a top 4 D.

Canucks had that same strategy in 2011+2012 and well...
Higgins and Lapierre were very effective and good value bottom 6 acquisitions, but as we saw injuries can happen, especially in a deep playoff run.
And in 2012 they only added Pahlsson and Kassian.

No 1st or 2nd round picks traded. None of their top prospects moved aside from Hodgson for Kassian, but that was a whole thing...

I get they already acquired Lindholm, I get it hurts to lose more valuable future/young assets, but now might be their best chance of winning a cup in a while. Moving forward there's going to be cap headaches (EP+Hronek RFAs, OEL buyout, Lindholm, etc), some guys could regress, there could be major injuries, anything can happen.

I'm not saying to trade Lekkerimaki or Willander for an upcoming UFA, but the 2025 1st+2nd picks and most of their prospects (including Podkolzin) should absolutely be on the table. Especially so if it's for someone signed beyond this season or who can realistically (and likely) be re-signed.

Don't squander this opportunity.

Not just a question of assets but cap space. Not sure it’s realistic to assume they can find it for another major acquisition. Next salary cut would be Mikheyev and I think subtracting him you have just under $7M to play with or something like that.

I’m not against it, but I’m not convinced he’d be easy to move.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Vegas:
Pietrangelo -> Hughes
Theodore -> Hronek
Martinez -> Soucy
Hague -> Zadorov
McNabb -> Cole
Whitecloud -> Myers/Juulsen

Colorado:
Makar -> Hughes
Toews -> Hronek
Girard -> Soucy
EJohnson -> Myers
Byram -> Cole
Manson -> Zadorov

Lightning:
Hedman -> Hughes
Sergachev -> Hronek
Cernak -> Myers
McDonagh -> Soucy
Rutta -> Cole
Schenn -> Zadorov

Blues:
Pietrangelo -> Hughes
Parayko -> Hronek
Dunn -> Myers
Bouwmeester -> Soucy
Edmundson -> Cole
Bortuzzo -> Zadorov

I think the Canucks defense is fairly comparable to all the past Cup winners. Obviously the direct comparisons aren’t exact and coaching systems make players thrive better but it’s just to give a general idea. I don’t think those defense corps entirely blow the Canucks current D out of the water.

It’s a tough defense that is trying to follow the Vegas model of being physical and they seem to be achieving that as the Canucks as a whole have as many hits as Vegas this year.

A slight upgrade on the backend, which I think they still do, makes this a viable Cup winning defense, in my opinion, especially with Juulsen/Friedman and then a Cole/Zadorov being an extra if an upgrade is made. That’s nice depth.

A Hughes/Hronek/Soucy/Tanev type of defense should be one to get you to the WCF and it’s an absolute failure if it doesn’t but I don’t know if Tanev is possible anymore.

I agree with all your points, which is the premise of my OP we need one middle quality guy and I’ll be happy on D.

As is, our top end talent is lifting heavy minutes compared to all the other examples. Not by a lot, but a Juulsen to Whitecloud comparison really drives that home. Or a Johnson to Zadorov, even.

If we get Tanev, and I know he’s dropped from what we knew, I’m saying we need a guy who can play 2nd pairing minutes if needed and you can be reasonably comfortable when that guys is defending. That’s not a big add. If you add just that one guy, it improves our situation better.

God forbid one of 43, 17, or 57 get injured before the playoffs because just like that our chances are cooked. As is, we can’t make that difference up in a manner that I think would be significant at all. At least get a guy who can play up the lineup if need be.

Soucy is such a big part of the D corps. His stick work is such an underrated part of his game. Hope he’s able to get some games before the playoffs

Got roasted for him being one of my targets in FA last year. Glad he’s getting his props. I think he’s a good player and has been missed immensely. There is a noticeable difference in the assertiveness we defend with and our breakouts go smoother for whatever reason when he’s been playing.

 

[Nuckles]

Not just a question of assets but cap space. Not sure it’s realistic to assume they can find it for another major acquisition. Next salary cut would be Mikheyev and I think subtracting him you have just under $7M to play with or something like that.

I’m not against it, but I’m not convinced he’d be easy to move.

With Friedman or Juulsen moved/waived, the Canucks have 2.64M to play with right now. There are definitely some guys who are affordable with or without salary retention.

I'm not expecting a top pair D, but a solid 2nd pairing guy. And ideally someone that could be realistically re-signed or under contract beyond this season.

 

[wonton15]

Has anyone compiled a list of gritty sandpaper bottom 6ers who like to play on the edge and might be attainable? This is something I’d love to see.

 

[Angry Little Elf]

Has anyone compiled a list of gritty sandpaper bottom 6ers who like to play on the edge and might be attainable? This is something I’d love to see.

Frank Vatrano
Sean Kuraly
Boone Jenner

Those are the three off the top of my head

 

[PG Canuck]

Has anyone compiled a list of gritty sandpaper bottom 6ers who like to play on the edge and might be attainable? This is something I’d love to see.

Would love a Bjugstad or Kuraly type but would prioritize a defenseman first.

 

[oceanchild]

I’ve had my eye on his name all year. That’d be another good add. For all the work we’ve done, our defense is realistically nowhere near Cup level.

I disagree, it’s at the low ended, but when everyone is healthy it’s a solid group.

Mikheyev in a package for Guentzel if you really want to become clear Cup favorites. Also clears up more cap for next season to sign Lindholm or Guentzel. Or you win a Cup and they walk to get paid and no one minds.
Dubas might like having Mikheyev back and I don't think the player would mind playing with Malkin.
Mikheyev + Lekkerimaki might be enough as no other team has cap space to make this kind of deal or can offer Pittsburgh two wingers for a pending UFA. It's a gamble but you only get this chance one in a while.

If you loose Lekkerimaki, you have to know you can re-sign either Guentzel or Lindholm to reasonable deal.

I also think it’s possible we trade Pettersson and sign both. I got this bad feeling that Management is starting to get annoyed.

 

[oceanchild]

Not sure if this has been posted. Again, I don’t see us having the assets to acquire Tanev, but there’s still a lot of smoke that the Canucks want to make it happen.

Trade Myers for the second and find that second piece.

 

[oceanchild]

Soucy is such a big part of the D corps. His stick work is such an underrated part of his game. Hope he’s able to get some games before the playoffs

Kind of wouldn’t mind him being unavailable till game one to be honest. They we could load up the wagons for some big game hunting.

 

[ChilliBilly]

I dont want to wait a week to watch the team again haha

most of them are playing on sat

 

[oceanchild]

I honestly don't think the Canucks should stop rebuilding that 2nd line. Mikheyev is useful defensive but he's also a big chunk of change for a lot of term.

Would love if they got Vatrano.

Guentzel is the guy, our top 6 would be horrific to match up against and we could move Lindholm to 3C with Suter and Mik if we needed a shut down line and have the no name line be our fourth line. Would force Hoglander up the line up and who ever else is hot at the moment but it gives so many options.

You have to find a way to re-sign Lindholm and maybe Guentzel. I’m okay with moving off Mik and Garland if you can use that money to sign both and talk Pettersson and Horonek to take a bit less so we can take multiple shots.

 

[Jovofan]

I really want us to get Tanev but not sure I'd move any of our current D corps to make it happen. Having a top 7 of Hughes, Hronek, Soucy, Tanev, Cole, Zadorov and Myers would be incredible depth for a lengthy playoff run. As solid as he's been, I don't want Juulsen as a regular during the playoffs.

I still would like to see us add a more consistent offensive threat to our top 6, Mikheyev isn't it and Suter bumping Aman to the press box come playoff time would be ideal as well. We need to find our 2024 version of Chris Higgins who can chip in the odd goal.