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[bossram]

Bring back Toffoli and Tanev. Erase the horrible JB offseason.

Those two would certainly be huge additions to put them on a path to a long playoff run.

But I don't think they have the assets to pull them both off at this point.

I think most here understand Pettersson can accept his one year qualifying offer and put the Canucks in poor negotiation position as he would then be a UFA at the end of the one year term.

Why would management allow him to erode his value before they would be obliged to trade him at a heavy discount anyway?

The leverage switches to the Pettersson camp after this deadline.

The clock is ticking.

Petterson's camp has had all the leverage ever since he entered this season without a contract extension.

Really? We lead the league in GF (5v5) by a fair bit and it isn't like that scoring is only coming from our top guys. I looked a week or so ago and we had the most (9) forwards in the top 100 of 5v5 scoring/60 min. I think the bigger priority is defense and gritty depth guys that ideally can help out on the pk. Agree on Greenway, though, If Mikheyev was going the other way, I might be more interested.

They lead in GF because of the early season shooting benders of their depth guys. People are complaining about Lafferty now, but he wasn't going to shoot 20% forever. Neither is Hoglander. Or Joshua for that matter.

They don't create nearly enough chances at ES. They're a low event team.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

@bossram

You’d pretty well have to deplete the rest of the reserves to get both of them. The price on Toffoli must be high, you’d think NJ still thinks they have a shot in.

I don’t think we want to go that far, and I believe that this is the year to push in on. We’re talking one of Willander/Lekmerimaki possibly both. Not cool with that.

 

[bossram]

If Pettersson won't even negotiate an extension, a trade will probably happen before the deadline.

The preamble to Allvin trading Horvat last season was the leak of the offer management had made to the Horvat camp to re-sign.

It was an intelligent PR move to get out in front of the Horvat fans that may have suggested that management hadn't done everything they could to retain him.

There was even an identical new item from EF saying that the Canucks were receiving calls on Horvat but that the Canucks were intending to work out a new deal.

Management must know they start losing leverage in the Summer if Pettersson tells the hockey world that he intends to Take His Talents to South Beach or wherever.

Buckle up.

How much do you want to bet Petey will be traded before the deadline?

 

[bossram]

@bossram

You’d pretty well have to deplete the rest of the reserves to get both of them. The price on Toffoli must be high, you’d think NJ still thinks they have a shot in.

I don’t think we want to go that far, and I believe that this is the year to push in on. We’re talking one of Willander/Lekmerimaki possibly both. Not cool with that.

Well yeah. I said that I don't think the Canucks have the assets to swing them both.

NJ is dead in the water now. They're cooked. A regulation win against TB was their chance to make a push and they blew it. It's over. I spend a lot of time on the Devils board as well, and that is by far the consensus view. They want to sell ancillary pieces to add some currency for an offeason refresh. I don't know what Fitz thinks of his team at this point, but given he's been so unwilling to help his club out (not acquiring a goalie, not adding to the blueline even when they were wrecked with injuries), I don't think he really believes that his team is going to make the playoffs at this point.

NJ fans are basically saying they'd move Toffoli for a 2nd.

 

[ChilliBilly]

Sorry, but I am sick to death of overpaying for rentals, then having no picks at the draft.

Yes, we have more reason that JB did on improving the team, but the bleeding draft picks is very tiresome. I want a SC as much as anyone, but I also want to have a hockey team every year. There is so much competition in west this year it would be insane to overpay for minor tweaking.

I want a SC before I take a dirt nap, I give the buggers 15 years. They should not blow everything for just one year.

FFS we could be a totally different team next year, between Petey and large number of UFA's and RFA's.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Well yeah. I said that I don't think the Canucks have the assets to swing them both.

NJ is dead in the water now. They're cooked. A regulation win against TB was their chance to make a push and they blew it. It's over. I spend a lot of time on the Devils board as well, and that is by far the consensus view. They want to sell ancillary pieces to add some currency for an offeason refresh. I don't know what Fitz thinks of his team at this point, but given he's been so unwilling to help his club out (not acquiring a goalie, not adding to the blueline even when they were wrecked with injuries), I don't think he really believes that his team is going to make the playoffs at this point.

NJ fans are basically saying they'd move Toffoli for a 2nd.

Eh, I guess I didn’t really add all that much to the discussion.

I still think they could even if their fans don’t. Whether they will is far, far less certain. If NJ wants a 2nd, you’d think any GM out there makes that trade. The risk-reward margin is too favourable.

I’m assuming you’ve seen enough NJ games to answer, who are the sneaky good fits for us on the Devils? Going by numbers Bastian produces at a replacement level, but some games we’ve played in the past years I’ve noticed him positively. I’ve had my eye on Haula for awhile but I have no idea if he’s the same player he was 8 years ago. McLeod would have been a nice add once upon a time.

 

[oceanchild]

If Pettersson won't even negotiate an extension, a trade will probably happen before the deadline.

The preamble to Allvin trading Horvat last season was the leak of the offer management had made to the Horvat camp to re-sign.

It was an intelligent PR move to get out in front of the Horvat fans that may have suggested that management hadn't done everything they could to retain him.

There was even an identical new item from EF saying that the Canucks were receiving calls on Horvat but that the Canucks were intending to work out a new deal.

Management must know they start losing leverage in the Summer if Pettersson tells the hockey world that he intends to Take His Talents to South Beach or wherever.

Buckle up.

I agree it has the same feel as Horvat as stuff starts leaking out. It could easily just be pure speculation.

Do you really believe they would trade him in season with the way this team has played?

I do wonder how it would impact the team. Would they be upset for losing him, are they frustrated that he won’t sign because it’s holding up other negotiations, are they happy if the incoming player(s) improve the team. It’s such a big risk.

If they do trade him, they are ruthless.. Horvat trade was kind of ruthless, but made sense as the team needed change and had not won with him as the leader… this though, while in first place. Some ruthless mafia level stuff.

 

[tantalum]

Ideal world you'd like to see Hanifin and Guetzel/Rust or something but that would require selling the farm which has just started to get stocked back up again.

I would love to see an acquisition of the Tanev brothers though the year Brandon has left sucks. Perhaps you can get some retention. Chris to stabilize the D and Brandon to be some Garland like energy in the bottom 6. Give Garland more of a shot in the top 6.


trading Pettersson.....major difference and I mean major difference between him and Horvat is that Horvat was a pending UFA. Pettersson is not. He is still under team control this summer. Zero need to even consider trading him right now. Following the season then sure if he's not willing to sign a 4+ year deal then you move him. At the draft to bring back a very high first rounder and other things.

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

I agree it has the same feel as Horvat as stuff starts leaking out. It could easily just be pure speculation.

Do you really believe they would trade him in season with the way this team has played?

I do wonder how it would impact the team. Would they be upset for losing him, are they frustrated that he won’t sign because it’s holding up other negotiations, are they happy if the incoming player(s) improve the team. It’s such a big risk.

If they do trade him, they are ruthless.. Horvat trade was kind of ruthless, but made sense as the team needed change and had not won with him as the leader… this though, while in first place. Some ruthless mafia level stuff.

I think Rutherford and Allvin are a new reality in Van City. People still haven't bought into the fact that their SOP's are different than the previous regimes and actually different from most Regimes other than the one, back in the day of Iron Mike Keenan.

They appear to view the players and picks simply as assets and have little emotional attachments to the players themselves.

From a Franchise point of view this is likely a good thing but when they said they will be making trades that Fans won't like, I believe they meant it.

In perhaps a related note, when QH was asked about the sputtering PP he basically said, " If we can't get it done, they will bring in players that can. "

It makes me think the players get who they are working for.

 

[oceanchild]

I think Rutherford and Allvin are the new reality in Van City. People still haven't bought into the fact that their SOP's are different than the previous regimes and actually different from most Regimes other than the one, back in the day of Iron Mike Keenan.

They appear to view the players and picks simply as assets and have little emotional attachments to the players themselves.

From a Franchise point of view this is likely a good thing but when they said they will be making trades that Fans won't like, I believe they meant it.

In perhaps a related note, when QH was asked about the sputtering PP he basically said, " If we can't get it done, they will bring in players that can. "

It makes me think the players get who they are working for.

To do it in season, with where they are in the standings.

The trade would have to be a clear win IMO.

I don’t disagree with what you’re saying, but still can’t see it. Can you imagine them trading Petey and this team having a rough finish to the season and a first round exit. All the good will they have would be gone in an instant/

 

[JT Milker]

Ideal world you'd like to see Hanifin and Guetzel/Rust or something but that would require selling the farm which has just started to get stocked back up again.

I would love to see an acquisition of the Tanev brothers though the year Brandon has left sucks. Perhaps you can get some retention. Chris to stabilize the D and Brandon to be some Garland like energy in the bottom 6. Give Garland more of a shot in the top 6.


trading Pettersson.....major difference and I mean major difference between him and Horvat is that Horvat was a pending UFA. Pettersson is not. He is still under team control this summer. Zero need to even consider trading him right now. Following the season then sure if he's not willing to sign a 4+ year deal then you move him. At the draft to bring back a very high first rounder and other things.

Tanev brothers would be an incredible add. Even if not done at the TDL, signing Chris and trading for Brandon in the offseason would make me feel fuzzy and warm.

 

[StickShift]

I would love to see an acquisition of the Tanev brothers though the year Brandon has left sucks. Perhaps you can get some retention. Chris to stabilize the D and Brandon to be some Garland like energy in the bottom 6. Give Garland more of a shot in the top 6.

Don't forget who the GM was that gave Brandon Tanev that contract.

A Brandon Tanev + Justin Schultz trade with Seattle would make a lot of sense if you believe the team wants to continue to acquire players that Rutherford, Allvin, and Young have already done their homework on.

 

[bossram]

Eh, I guess I didn’t really add all that much to the discussion.

I still think they could even if their fans don’t. Whether they will is far, far less certain. If NJ wants a 2nd, you’d think any GM out there makes that trade. The risk-reward margin is too favourable.

I’m assuming you’ve seen enough NJ games to answer, who are the sneaky good fits for us on the Devils? Going by numbers Bastian produces at a replacement level, but some games we’ve played in the past years I’ve noticed him positively. I’ve had my eye on Haula for awhile but I have no idea if he’s the same player he was 8 years ago. McLeod would have been a nice add once upon a time.

Yeah, NJ fans know their season is done. I suspect Fitz does too - he didn't try to help the team when there were many opportunities. I don't think he'll make a push when they're at their low point.

Toffoli is really the only realistic player on the Devils that I think would help VAN. Bastian's game has really fallen off this season, partly due to multiple injuries (he got hurt again on the weekend). I like Colin Miller as a depth RHD, he's got a bit more passing/handling skill than Juulsen for a different element as the 6/7D.

Haula I don't see being traded, and with the term on his deal I'm fine with that (for VAN). Mike Mcleod would have been an ideal addition but....yeah that's not happening.

Maybe ironically Lazar has been their best and most consistent pure bottom-six guy.

 

[Britton]

Those two would certainly be huge additions to put them on a path to a long playoff run.

But I don't think they have the assets to pull them both off at this point.


Petterson's camp has had all the leverage ever since he entered this season without a contract extension.


They lead in GF because of the early season shooting benders of their depth guys. People are complaining about Lafferty now, but he wasn't going to shoot 20% forever. Neither is Hoglander. Or Joshua for that matter.

They don't create nearly enough chances at ES. They're a low event team.

This is just straight up not true. They just outside the top 10 in expected goals at 5v5, whether you look at the whole season or just the last 25 or 10 games. They've been top 5 in in 5v5 goals over all those periods as well even as their PDO has dropped so they have no problem producing 5v5. They are also one of the best teams at defending 5v5 as well. Over the whole season they've been a decent 5v5 team, but over the last 25 games they've been absolutely dominant 5v5. And it's not like the've been getting lucky over those last 25, their xGF% and actual GF% are damn near equal over that period. They really just need to get there special teams going

 

[bossram]

Sorry, but I am sick to death of overpaying for rentals, then having no picks at the draft.

Yes, we have more reason that JB did on improving the team, but the bleeding draft picks is very tiresome. I want a SC as much as anyone, but I also want to have a hockey team every year. There is so much competition in west this year it would be insane to overpay for minor tweaking.

I want a SC before I take a dirt nap, I give the buggers 15 years. They should not blow everything for just one year.

FFS we could be a totally different team next year, between Petey and large number of UFA's and RFA's.

Bolded, to me, is more incentive to push all the chips in this year. It's unlikely they have as good of a season as this again in the next few years.

 

[bossram]

This is just straight up not true. They just outside the top 10 in expected goals at 5v5, whether you look at the whole season or just the last 25 or 10 games. They've been top 5 in in 5v5 goals over all those periods as well even as their PDO has dropped so they have no problem producing 5v5. They are also one of the best teams at defending 5v5 as well. Over the whole season they've been a decent 5v5 team, but over the last 25 games they've been absolutely dominant 5v5. And it's not like the've been getting lucky over those last 25, their xGF% and actual GF% are damn near equal over that period. They really just need to get there special teams going

I've become a lot more skeptical of the public xG models as the game has evolved in recent years. We've seen games (like against SEA or even BOS) where they just don't create enough.

A lot of the Canucks chances also come via way of deflections/tips, which register as high xG/high-danger chances, but to me are not super reliable methods of chance creation. They are one of the worst teams in the league at creating rush chances.

I do think the Canucks are a good 5v5 team. But being ranked ~10 in a category is not as dominant when you're playing the top-16 teams in the playoffs.

 

[Britton]

I've become a lot more skeptical of the public xG models as the game has evolved in recent years. We've seen games (like against SEA or even BOS) where they just don't create enough.

A lot of the Canucks chances also come via way of deflections/tips, which register as high xG/high-danger chances, but to me are not super reliable methods of chance creation. They are one of the worst teams in the league at creating rush chances.

I do think the Canucks are a good 5v5 team. But being ranked ~10 in category is not as dominant when you're playing the top-16 teams in the playoffs.

I mean they are around 10'th when you dealing with the whole season, but I think we can all agree they were getting extremely lucky to start the year, especially the first month. But they've actually gotten better and better as the season has gone on. But over the last couple months there are easily a top 5 team, and I think are quite firmly a top 2 overall, with only really Florida challenging them. Boston and NYR both look way more like frauds than we do, which is funny with all the attention we got early in the season. Both those teams have been playing way over their heads, boston mainly on the back of there insane OT totals.

Overall I think the canucks 5v5 production is fine, but I do agree we need another top 6 option, mainly for the power play so we can actually run a competent second unit when our first unit is struggling like it's been doing. Toffoli would be a great target in this regard.

 

[bossram]

How much do you want to bet Petey will be traded before the deadline?

@Izzy Goodenough Not a taker on this?

 

[Canucks LB]

There’s so much more behind-the-scenes, heard a few whispers, but nothing concrete, but the noise is real, I do expect the Canucks or petey to come up and make a statement here soon, and calm the noise.

But it’s legitimate

 

[Vector]

-Marek brings up the Kraken trading Adam Larsson but Friedman "has been told that's not happening"

Pettersson:
-doesn't know if there was an actual offer; can't find proof
-does know that Pettersson' knows the Canucks are willing to throw a tonne of money at him and have discussed it conceptually
-since he hasn't committed, other teams have taken noticed and are calling and have asked what's going on here
-Canucks have said "look we're trying to sign him"
-thinks this is a team, lead by Rutherford and Tocchet, can handle this noise

Trades:
-doesn't think the Canucks are out on anything out there
-are not interesting in giving up the required cost for two rentals (Lindholm being the first)
-Friedman thinks if they have to give up another package to get something good, it won't be for a rental or they have to know they can sign the player
-if they do something else that's not small, it's for someone they will keep

 

[Deeds26]

The original tweet isn't anything true, just someone spitballin.

However, Dhaliwal replying saying Mantha is interesting is, well, interesting.

 

[Vector]

The original tweet isn't anything true, just someone spitballin.

However, Dhaliwal replying saying Mantha is interesting is, well, interesting.

Why would Dhaliwal be even following and replying to that weirdo other than to hint at Mantha?

A few here have been asking for Mantha. I've reversed my opinion on him and would be open to getting him but very much depends on what they're giving up.

 

[ChilliBilly]

Bolded, to me, is more incentive to push all the chips in this year. It's unlikely they have as good of a season as this again in the next few years.

Agree to disagree I guess. I keep looking at Bost last year getting knocked out in the 1st round, and how tough the west path to the SCFs is. Do you really want this to be a one shot deal?

And do you think FA is really happy with the idea that after this year there is no need to buy seasons tickets? After 10 crappy years you would think people would learn that its better to have a contender year after year. Other teams manage to do it.

Unless a deal is a clear steal for us, I don't want to give up our prime assets. On top of that, we are going to have cap problems for a few years yet, and we just beat the No 2 team in the league. Do we really need to put ourselves in the cellar for the sake of a borderline player that we can barely afford to acquire. There will be the cost to acquire him, and the cost to dump salary as well.

 

[Peen]

You know, Mantha was offered for Garland a few months ago according to Friedman.

Wonder if that’s a Mikheyev team. They must have really soured on Mikheyev and just want to get out of that deal.

Also, given what he makes, it’s going to have to be one of Myers, Mikheyev, and Cole - even with significant retention.

 

[andora]

Yeah, NJ fans know their season is done. I suspect Fitz does too - he didn't try to help the team when there were many opportunities. I don't think he'll make a push when they're at their low point.

Toffoli is really the only realistic player on the Devils that I think would help VAN. Bastian's game has really fallen off this season, partly due to multiple injuries (he got hurt again on the weekend). I like Colin Miller as a depth RHD, he's got a bit more passing/handling skill than Juulsen for a different element as the 6/7D.

Haula I don't see being traded, and with the term on his deal I'm fine with that (for VAN). Mike Mcleod would have been an ideal addition but....yeah that's not happening.

Maybe ironically Lazar has been their best and most consistent pure bottom-six guy.

Yeah haula the player would be a great add but the term nah

I like Nosek though as the boring 4th line center role