Canucks News, Rumours, & Fantasy GM | Part 2

[Grip it N RYP it]

"We should almost try Kravtsov with Petey and Kuz... almost."

 

[alternate]

Kuzmenko in the dog house?

 

[Horvat1C]

All the talk about Bear commanding 3M+ started with a single post that was pure speculation at best and ignorant pessimism at worst. It's interesting to see how emotional fans can latch on to something and complain/debate it when there's nothing there.

I think we either qualify Bear for one year and then re-evaluate, sign him to a 3 year deal around 2M or simply trade him at the draft.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Tyler Myers is basically a 2012-2014 version of Andrew Alberts. Tall, lugs himself around the ice, late to react or see plays develop and struggles to make sensible decisions with the puck. A bottom pairing dman that should see 10-12min of ice time

Issue is he takes up 6 mil of cap space.

OEL is cooked as f***.

It's amazing watching two college players come up, and play better in their first games than these long-timers. Just shows how washed up OEL and Myers are.

We are heading towards disaster again in 2023-24 if both are playing above 17min a night.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Kuzmenko in the dog house?

If I'm not mistaken, he was riding the pine in the 3rd.

 

[MS]

The treatment of Kuznetsov vs. Boeser is either :

a) Sensibly trying to build improvements in one player while trying to pump/dump the other.

or

b) The most unfair shit in the history of sports.

 

[ziploc]

Tyler Myers is basically a 2012-2014 version of Andrew Alberts. Tall, lugs himself around the ice, late to react or see plays develop and struggles to make sensible decisions with the puck. A bottom pairing dman that should see 10-12min of ice time

Issue is he takes up 6 mil of cap space.

OEL is cooked as f***.

It's amazing watching two college players come up, and play better in their first games than these long-timers. Just shows how washed up OEL and Myers are.

We are heading towards disaster again in 2023-24 if both are playing above 17min a night.

One at least has to go. And one of Boeser/Garland. We cannot go forward with anymore than 2 out of those 4 contracts, and ideally 3 are gone, with the idealist ideality being OEL and Myers and Boeser moved.

 

[Hansen]

The treatment of Kuznetsov vs. Boeser is either :

a) Sensibly trying to build improvements in one player while trying to pump/dump the other.

or

b) The most unfair shit in the history of sports.

The absolute bullshit thing is when Kuz first showed up the literal quotes from the top were “if youre a 40 goal scorer you can do this stuff, he has to earn it” and hes literally a 40 goal scorer

All theyre f***ing doing is alienating a gamebreaking potential star winger

 

[ohnoeszz]

One at least has to go. And one of Boeser/Garland. We cannot go forward with anymore than 2 out of those 4 contracts, and ideally 3 are gone, with the idealist ideality being OEL and Myers and Boeser moved.

I've heard this sentiment a lot but I'm not so sure it is a necessity to move all of these players.

For instance, simply moving Myers alone for space could leave us with a bit over 8 million to add a 3C and RD for Hughes.

You could potentially field something like:

Kuzmenko-Pettersson-Mikeyev
Podkolzin-Miller-Boeser
[email protected]
Di Giuseppe-Aman-Joshua

[email protected]
OEL-Hronek
Hirose-Burroughs

I think people might be underrating the possibility that we could actually keep all 3 of Garland, Boeser and Beauvillier. I'm no historian but I seem to recall Rutherford being rather stingy in allocating cap to defense in past stops.

Management and coaching has spoken as if Boeser will be back and its a big offseason for him. It's hard to deny how good Garland looks on the 3rd in this system.

 

[ziploc]

I've heard this sentiment a lot but I'm not so sure it is a necessity to move all of these players.

For instance, simply moving Myers alone for space could leave us with a bit over 8 million to add a 3C and RD for Hughes.

You could potentially field something like:

Kuzmenko-Pettersson-Mikeyev
Podkolzin-Miller-Boeser
[email protected]
Di Giuseppe-Aman-Joshua

[email protected]
OEL-Hronek
Hirose-Burroughs

I think people might be underrating the possibility that we could actually keep all 3 of Garland, Boeser and Beauvillier. I'm no historian but I seem to recall Rutherford being rather stingy in allocating cap to defense in past stops.

Management and coaching has spoken as if Boeser will be back and its a big offseason for him. It's hard to deny how good Garland looks on the 3rd in this system.

I’m far from convinced that OEL can still play meaningful minutes. Maybe a bottom pairing guy, who would be one of the highest paid players on the team.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I’m far from convinced that OEL can still play meaningful minutes. Maybe a bottom pairing guy, who would be one of the highest paid players on the team.

Looking at Minnesota who is able to compete even with the onerous Parise and Suter buyout penalties Vancouver should probably just bite the bullet and buy him out. Then ideally move Myers likely with some retention and then Boeser or Garland and try to add two D for next year.
Just riding out the bad contracts seems like a recipe for spinning their wheels. There needs to be big changes this summer to take a first step forward.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

I’m far from convinced that OEL can still play meaningful minutes. Maybe a bottom pairing guy, who would be one of the highest paid players on the team.

I'm not unconvinced that a 'healthy' OEL can play meaningful minutes..I'd say he's been injured about 75% of the time he's been a Canuck..Clearly, he's injury prone.

He's going to be penciled in on that 2nd pairing with Hronek next season..undoubtably..

He's not getting bought out...makes ZERO sense.

 

[ziploc]

I'm not unconvinced that a 'healthy' OEL can play meaningful minutes..I'd say he's been injured about 75% of the time he's been a Canuck..Clearly, he's injury prone.

He's going to be penciled in on that 2nd pairing with Hronek next season..undoubtably..

He's not getting bought out.

If they sign Gavrikov - and that’s an if - OEL would be bottom pairing. But I’m not sure that makes sense. If we are investing big money into the defence, we still need a top pairing RD. My preference would be OEL and Myers gone, a new RD and a new LD (like Gavrikov) brought in, with a cheaper bottom pairing. But that would take a lot of things breaking right.

 

[VanJack]

I see IMac on Twitter with an Tocchet interview, where the coach hints that the Canucks have been too comfortable with 'losing'. He says that its 'winning' that's hard.....not losing.

Wow! Tocchet with no hesitation in taking the stick to his floundering club. But makes you wonder if the approach will eventually wear out its welcome, and the players will start tuning out.

 

[andora]

I see IMac on Twitter with an Tocchet interview, where the coach hints that the Canucks have been too comfortable with 'losing'. He says that its 'winning' that's hard.....not losing.

Wow! Tocchet with no hesitation in taking the stick to his floundering club. But makes you wonder if the approach will eventually wear out its welcome, and the players will start tuning out.

I mean what message is out there nowadays then if this is something that could tune guys out

I would hope he has told them to some degree look.. better defence equals better results with this group. So we have two choices.. we can be a unit and work hard and succeed.. or we can go get different players

 

[sting101]

Well jeeesh maybe he should just not send any messages then for guys to take back home with them on their 5 month vacay?

Tocchet is setting up an expectation to be better. It's not rocket science. If it irks players or fans too bad are you happy with the inability to play 60 minutes not being ready to start games and not showing an acceptable work rate or compete. Honestly who gives 2 fuxxs if it hurts a few players feelings.

I think Pettersson and Hughes are setting the standard now finally. If your not taking it as seriously as they are with half the talent then get lost. Love Tocchet

 

[sting101]

I'm not sure what to make of OEL's season given the fact he could barely get off the ice in many games and clearly was badly hurt or recovering from injury but i'm pretty damn certain that Tyler Myers is one of the most mistake prone defenders in the entire NHL and can derail entire games by himself when he goes full Tyler the Tank.

 

[alternate]

Like many, I expected the worse with Tocchet, but have been pleasantly surprised with him so far. He's been firm but fair with players. His public comments have been candid but balanced. His insistence on preparation and accountability is a breath of fresh air.

Only real question mark is Kuzmenko imo.

Buuuut holding judgement until we see Tocchet coach when wins mean more.

 

[credulous]

i still question whether tocchet knows how to coach this roster to wins. he wants to play an aggressive forechecking game when the canucks are one of if not the worst forechecking team in the league. he's already tried to turn joshua and beauvillier into forecheckers with little success. i guess he'll try garland next?

 

[alternate]

i still question whether tocchet knows how to coach this roster to wins. he wants to play an aggressive forechecking game when the canucks are one of if not the worst forechecking team in the league. he's already tried to turn joshua and beauvillier into forecheckers with little success. i guess he'll try garland next?

Well I'd expect the roster will be shaped in Tocchet's image going forward. As long ago as Benning seems, this is the first offseason that the new GM has had his chosen coach in place.

Mikheyev and Podkolzin are also part of that answer. Next season, both should be two of our better forecheckers.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Let Bear walk.

Sign his ass for cheaper when he can’t get the deal he is looking for.

 

[Kevinsane]

Well I'd expect the roster will be shaped in Tocchet's image going forward. As long ago as Benning seems, this is the first offseason that the new GM has had his chosen coach in place.

Mikheyev and Podkolzin are also part of that answer. Next season, both should be two of our better forecheckers.

I don’t know. I see a stubborn and rigid coach who doesn’t utilize his roster in a way that plays to their strengths. Dump and chase seems stupid when you have possession players.

 

[Horvat1C]

We all know that this is garbage time hockey. Whether the Canucks looks great or terrible in games means pretty much nothing for next year.

JR publicly said that management is lightly tanking. Tocchet is trying to change the culture and establish better habits. Both of those things together can lead to puzzling decisions like Joshua on the top line and in overtime, Kuzmenko dropping in the lineup, etc. I don't think its worth reading into those decisions at this point, but I do think its worth keying in on what Tocchet values like players who can forecheck. As others have pointed out we have guys who can fill that role throughout the lineup already like Mikheyev, Podkolzin and Hoglander.

 

[elitepete]

Myers for Kassian
Boeser 1.5m retained for 2nd+prospect
Dermott for 4th
Bear for 4th
Dries for 7th

Mayfield 4 x 4
Burroughs 900k x 2

Kuz-EP-Mikheyev
Garland-Miller-PDG
Podkolzin-Aman-Beauvillier
Joshua-Kravtsov-Hoglander
Kassian/Studnicka

Hughes-Mayfield
Hirose-Hronek
OEL-McWard
Wolanin-Burroughs


Demko
Silovs

 

[Nucker42]

Myers for Kassian
Boeser 1.5m retained for 2nd+prospect
Dermott for 4th
Bear for 4th
Dries for 7th

Mayfield 4 x 4
Burroughs 900k x 2

Kuz-EP-Mikheyev
Garland-Miller-PDG
Podkolzin-Aman-Beauvillier
Joshua-Kravtsov-Hoglander
Kassian/Studnicka

Hughes-Mayfield
Hirose-Hronek
OEL-McWard
Wolanin-Burroughs


Demko
Silovs

You ain’t getting squat for Dermott….or Dries.

Also don’t think Bear has any value with his current contract status.