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[Mr. Canucklehead]

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Some Important Off-Season Dates

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Draft Day 01: June 28th
Draft Day 02: June 29th
Qualifying Offer Date: July 1st
Free Agency Opens: July 1st
Player-Elected Arbitration: July 5th
Young Stars Classic Tournament: Sep. 13th-16th

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[Wisp]

If Guentzal vs Lindholm is a genuine choice, yes, adding 1 to 2 million more for Guentzal is a slam dunk. But you still have to recruit Guentzal and there is no exclusive negotiating window around him like there is Lindholm.

 

[wonton15]

Fully expecting all of Joshua Lindholm Zadorov to goto free agency.

Guentzel would be a very good fit to play with Miller or Pettersson for the rest of his career. Hope he picks us.

 

[Bgav]

First real indication that Blueger is very likely to be back.

He posted on IG after we were eliminated sayings "we will be back"

 

[Breakers]

Guentzel would be very good for pettersson

I say go for it
From somebody who hates free agency usually
(probably because of Benning)

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

First real indication that Blueger is very likely to be back.

If we can extend him at something around his current cap hit, we should absolutely be doing it. He was huge on the PK, and his speed and smarts were big factors in our two way game. Hard to picture us getting a better replacement for around that price.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

First real indication that Blueger is very likely to be back.

If we can get him around 2M x 2/3years or so that would be mint. Definitely a good guy to have around.

 

[Vector]

Guentzle, if we get him at all, will likely play with Pete, no?

That's what they were saying, yes. Guentzel would be for Pettersson. Implied that would be appealing to Guentzel.

If Guentzal vs Lindholm is a genuine choice, yes, adding 1 to 2 million more for Guentzal is a slam dunk. But you still have to recruit Guentzal and there is no exclusive negotiating window around him like there is Lindholm.

Unless...

If we can extend him at something around his current cap hit, we should absolutely be doing it. He was huge on the PK, and his speed and smarts were big factors in our two way game. Hard to picture us getting a better replacement for around that price.

If we can get him around 2M x 2/3years or so that would be mint. Definitely a good guy to have around.

AFP has him at 2y/2.17m which is what I'd be willing to pay him. If you can't keep Joshua then keep some semblance of the third line line together in Blueger & Garland. You have the offensive line driver in Garland and the defensive conscience in Blueger.

 

[ameselare]

That being said, practically, why would an agent ever say “No, I won’t consider that team” and make the market for their player smaller?

I could easily see a team like Vancouver being the foil another UFA uses to get the salary they want somewhere else.

I can definitely see Guentzel & his agent doing this. Why would they want teams to know that he's only willing to go to certain teams? I'm sure he does have a list, but teams having an idea of who's on that list doesn't really benefit him.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I just don't see Guentzel coming here.

 

[Jerry the great]

Nothing I can find.

There's only been one significant award under this CBA: Trouba in 2018. Most recent comparable of a player elected arb that was settled prior to the hearing was Dunn and it's probably very close to what Hronek will end up getting whoever he signs with.

 

[Vector]

Canucks current CapSpace is 27.53m (LTIR)

AFP Projections
RFA:
Silovs - 2y/1.0m

UFA:
Guentzel - 7y/9.28m
Myers - 2y/3.16m
Bluger - 2y/2.17m

Capspace Afterwards: 11.92m

Suter-Miller-Boeser
Hoglander-Pettersson-Guentzel
???-Blueger-Garland
PDG-Aman-???
Mikheyev

Hughes-???
Soucy-???
???-Juulsen
???/???

Demko
Silovs

Move out Mikheyev without taking anything back and that increases to 16.67 to fill 7 spots. However, only two of those spots are critical (1st RD and 2nd RD).

But yes, I'd be very surprised if Guentzel decides Vancouver is the best place for him. It's a non-zero chance but not much higher than a few percentage points.

 

[aregora]

UFA:
Myers - 2y/3.16m


Hughes-???
Soucy-???
???-Juulsen
???/???

Looks like Myers is missing which fills out one space and maybe updates it a bit.

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

The official 'off-season' is coming up fast. And if the Canucks are determined to try and keep Lindholm and Zadorov, then they're going to have to conduct major surgery on their roster.

I smell a Canucks 'blockbuster' trade coming up. 'Standing pat' won't be an option for Rutherford and Allvin.

Yes trade Demko with Mikheyev.

Boom 10M cap space.

 

[Vector]

Looks like Myers is missing which fills out one space and maybe updates it a bit.

You're right! Doesn't change the numbers but makes looking at the right side a little easier. My personal preference is to still have Juulsen as the 7th/8th guy and go for another cheaper but slightly improved player in the 3rd spot. Keep Soucy-Myers.

 

[Wisp]

Yes trade Demko with Mikheyev.

Boom 10M cap space.

Pure fantasy. They're not going to entrust the Canucks season to Silovs who has never played a full NHL season before.

 

[tradervik]

@Mr. Canucklehead can we resticky the link to @Vector 's handy spreadsheet?

 

[Peen]

So happy about the Blueger news. Love that guy. Doesn’t matter if it’s L3 or L4 or who’s up against, he’ll make those minutes no event.

Aman being able to do that in the playoffs was slightly surprising to me as well.

I think the underrated difficult thing for these Abbotsford guys who may surprise (Sasson, Raty, Bains) is that the fourth line and 13th F roles are filled with PDG, Aman, Blueger, Podkolzin.

they don’t need to upgrade those roles and you feel podkolzin would need to be awful to not be prioritized

Those guys are + players in that role and the playoffs showed that. Happy to move on from Lafferty unless he wanted close to min tbh.

But yeah, I wonder. Let’s see if Raty adds an edge, Bains gets faster with a shot, or if Sasson levels up

 

[Vector]

@Mr. Canucklehead can we resticky the link to @Vector 's handy spreadsheet?

Done. I've updated everything on the Summary and Cap Space pages but haven't added in the new numbers for the UFAs & RFAs. Those only changed by a few percentage points but will get to it when I have time.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

Pure fantasy. They're not going to entrust the Canucks season to Silovs who has never played a full NHL season before.

Well, TBF, Demko hasn't been able to finish a full season neither..

 

[StickShift]

If you can sign Guentzel, you count your good blessings and use a future 1st to trade Mikheyev to give yourself the cap space to fill out your depth.

Essentially, I would imagine the roster decisions as a trade:

Lindholm, Mikheyev and a 1st

for​

Guentzel​

 

[ziploc]

I can see Mikheyev being traded and Joshua, Zadorov, Lafferty, DeSmith, Cole and Lindholm all leaving.

I imagine Hronek, Myers and Bleuger will be re-signed and Silovs will be the back up.

We would therefore need a top 6 winger; 2 top 9 forwards; a 4th line winger/Podz; a top 4 D and a bottom pairing D.

Guentzel / Marchessault / Reinhart for the top 6 W
don't know about the third line winger
Tanev for top 4 D
don't know about bottom D

Suter Miller Boeser
Hoglander EP Guentzel
? Blueger Garland
Podz Aman PDG
?

Hughes Hronek
Soucy Tanev
Juulsen Myers
?

Demko
Silovs

That seems to be a roughly the same or weaker team than last year, with the obvious exception of Guentzel or the other two. I think they would really need to bolster the D-Corps and bottom 9 forwards somehow.

 

[Horvat1C]

I think Lindholm is a better hockey fit for us than Guentzel as a right handed center who can play up and down the lineup, play on the top unit of PP and PK and likely be a cheaper contract. Guentzel's injury history is a concern on an expensive long term deal.

 

[Wisp]

Well, TBF, Demko hasn't been able to finish a full season neither..

what a ridiculous narrative. 51 starts puts him at #16 most starts of the season. In 2021-22 he was #3 in games started at 63. Before he was injured, Demko was on pace to play more than many big names... Vasilevskiy was ahead of him this season at 52 gp, Oettinger 54, Shesterkin at 55.

What happened in the playoffs should be an example of why we need goaltending depth to take the load off in the regular season, not to flit it away on penny pinching gambles.

 

[DFAC]

First real indication that Blueger is very likely to be back.

He's a good 4C but I wouldn't want him playing anywhere higher up in the lineup.

Canucks need to find a good 3C to play toughs... not really sure what is out there though. A guy like Stephenson would be ideal but he would likely be looking for a big contract. Maybe Roslovic or Wennberg?

I'd look at a guy like Hakanpaa as a Cole upgrade... fits the mould of big dmen that management likes.

Other guys for the bottom 6 I would look at are Nosek and Blais. Should come relatively cheap.

 

[DFAC]

I think Lindholm is a better hockey fit for us than Guentzel as a right handed center who can play up and down the lineup, play on the top unit of PP and PK and likely be a cheaper contract. Guentzel's injury history is a concern on an expensive long term deal.

Jake Guentzel is a playoff monster and he would instantly be our best winger. Sure having a RH centre is nice but Lindholm is a luxury we can't afford.

Having Petey/Guentzel + Miller/Boeser duos would be much more important for us moving forward