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Some Important Off-Season Dates

Buyout Period: 48 hours after the SCF; players without NMCs must be placed on unconditional waivers 24 hours prior (another buyout period opens if a team has a player file for arbitration)
Team-Elected Arbitration: 48 hours after the SCF
Draft Day 01: June 28th
Draft Day 02: June 29th
Qualifying Offer Date: July 1st
Free Agency Opens: July 1st, 9am PST
Summer Development Camp: July 1st-4th
Player-Elected Arbitration: July 5th
Young Stars Classic Tournament: Sep. 13th-16th

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[Vector]

You’re still going to need that money for the back end, Zadorov or no Zadorov. And I really think we ought to target a right handed 3C given all our other C’s are lefties.

I think we need to let Joshua go, sadly as I really liked what he brought to the lineup. I’d roll with a top 9 of:

Hoglander-Miller-Boeser
Guentzel-Pettersson-Lekkerimaki
Suter-3C-Garland

And also target a right handed 3C.

I don't think there's a chance in hell that Lemmerimaki makes the team out of camp.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Funny thing, if you swap Mikheyev for Goodrow and just buyout Goodrow his buyout provides a cap credit for this season.

24-25: -247,222
25-26: 1,002,778
26-27: 3,502,778
27-28: 1,111,111
28-29: 1,111,111
29-30: 1,111,111

I still don't think it's a possibility but maybe there's a three team trade to be had with everyone swapping their problems.

$8M of dead cap in 26-27 (Goodrow + OEL) is not ideal.

I don't think there's a chance in hell that Lemmerimaki makes the team out of camp.

Probably right, but there should be. IF he is the calibre of prospect the team needs him to be he should have a legitimate shot. Those types of prospects tend to make the jump fairly quickly. This will be his D+3 season.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Trade Mik.
Trade for Colton.
Sign Guentzel, Duhaime, Myers, Dillon.
Still need a Top 6 RW. If Lekk can make the team, amazing. If not, look at Arvidsson/Perron/Zucker.

Suter-Miller-Boeser
Guentzel-EP-Lekk/FA
Hoglander-Colton-Garland
Duhaime-Aman/Sasson-Pod
PDG/4C leftover

Hughes-Hronek
Soucy-Myers
Dillon-Friedman/Juulsen
Friedman/Juulsen

Demko
Silovs

Should just be able to fit with possibly some room to spare.
Leaves flexibility for Willander coming in after next season.

 

[Lat]

Funny thing, if you swap Mikheyev for Goodrow and just buyout Goodrow his buyout provides a cap credit for this season.

24-25: -247,222
25-26: 1,002,778
26-27: 3,502,778
27-28: 1,111,111
28-29: 1,111,111
29-30: 1,111,111

I still don't think it's a possibility but maybe there's a three team trade to be had with everyone swapping their problems.

I'd rather just pay a 2nd to dump Mikheyev, if that's the ask.

 

[dez]

tough for Goodrow, SJ are out of retention slots aswell unless they buy him out he’s stuck there.

 

[MS]

$8M of dead cap in 26-27 (Goodrow + OEL) is not ideal.



Probably right, but there should be. IF he is the calibre of prospect the team needs him to be he should have a legitimate shot. Those types of prospects tend to make the jump fairly quickly. This will be his D+3 season.

He simply didn't look close in his stint in Abbotsford.

It's not impossible he has a big/surprising summer but I was really disappointed - mostly just looked small and overmatched.

 

[Grip it N RYP it]

Was hoping the radio and social media Guentzel memes and sarcasm would continue today

 

[Nucker101]

He simply didn't look close in his stint in Abbotsford.

It's not impossible he has a big/surprising summer but I was really disappointed - mostly just looked small and overmatched.

I would be cool with shopping him for the right player, another Hronek/Miller type of target. Assuming Tocchet is going to be coaching this team for the next couple of years, I could see a future where Lekk's stock actually falls over the next couple of seasons. He doesn't seem like a Tocchet type of player.

 

[Vector]

$8M of dead cap in 26-27 (Goodrow + OEL) is not ideal.



Probably right, but there should be. IF he is the calibre of prospect the team needs him to be he should have a legitimate shot. Those types of prospects tend to make the jump fairly quickly. This will be his D+3 season.

Yeah, I was more just pointing out he has one of those weird buyouts that gives you a credit. If the big jump was once the OEL penalty comes down, I could see it working for this team but otherwise it's a non-starter.

I mostly agree and I'm not that high on Lekkerimaki like others are but rushing him just because he's in his D+3 doesn't help. That was a really weird draft and he's very young. He absolutely has to make the team for 25-26, though.

 

[Vector]

 

[MS]

I would be cool with shopping him for the right player, another Hronek/Miller type of target. Assuming Tocchet is going to be coaching this team for the next couple of years, I could see a future where Lekk's stock actually falls over the next couple of seasons. He doesn't seem like a Tocchet type of player.

I'd be OK with it too for the right player.

I'd never really liked the pick much but got a bit excited with the WJC and his back half to this season in Sweden ... and then the AHL stint was a big reality check. Dude is small and weak and I'd be surprised if he isn't spending 2 years in the AHL before he makes it, if he makes it.

 

[y2kcanucks]

He simply didn't look close in his stint in Abbotsford.

It's not impossible he has a big/surprising summer but I was really disappointed - mostly just looked small and overmatched.

Ahh fair enough. I didn’t see any of his game in Abbotsford. That’s definitely not an encouraging sign.

I would be cool with shopping him for the right player, another Hronek/Miller type of target. Assuming Tocchet is going to be coaching this team for the next couple of years, I could see a future where Lekk's stock actually falls over the next couple of seasons. He doesn't seem like a Tocchet type of player.

Yeah I’m with you here too. If he’s nowhere close to being ready by now, his D+3 season, I would look to sell while you can likely still get a high return.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Farabee might be available.

 

[Vector]

 

[Jerry the great]

Even if he rebounds to the best he's ever played in his career it's worse than what Joshua provided last year at a higher price.

If it's somewhere mid-way between what he was doing in the last 60 games of last year and his previous levels ... you do anything you can to get rid of him.

Mikheyev at his best is a far better defensive player and penalty killer. His career P/GP is like 40% higher than Joshua's, despite half of that career he was playing outright injured, or not fully recovered from surgery.

Joshua is a player that i want to keep around because i ascribe a lot of value to the physical element he brings, but i sure don't think it's worth Mikheyev + a first AND a massive contract. And why does it have to be Mikheyev or Joshua? You've been awfully quiet about this managements apparent tunnel vision for a soon to be 30 year old,, slight AF undersized winger who has never had to drive a line and has benefitted massively from playing beside one of the best C we've seen in 30 years.

 

[wonton15]

I would be cool with shopping him for the right player, another Hronek/Miller type of target. Assuming Tocchet is going to be coaching this team for the next couple of years, I could see a future where Lekk's stock actually falls over the next couple of seasons. He doesn't seem like a Tocchet type of player.

Agree here. If we find a way to land Guentzel and unload Mikheyev, the team should 100% be looking to move Lekk for the right piece. Don’t half ass it if we’re going to go all in within this window. Willander is where I draw the line though

 

[MS]

Mikheyev at his best is a far better defensive player and penalty killer. His career P/GP is like 40% higher than Joshua's, despite half of that career he was playing outright injured, or not fully recovered from surgery.

Joshua is a player that i want to keep around because i ascribe a lot of value to the physical element he brings, but i sure don't think it's worth Mikheyev + a first AND a massive contract. And why does it have to be Mikheyev or Joshua? You've been awfully quiet about this managements apparent tunnel vision for a soon to be 30 year old,, slight AF undersized winger who has never had to drive a line and has benefitted massively from playing beside one of the best C we've seen in 30 years.

Mikheyev has obviously had a better career. Mikheyev has never had a season as good as Joshua had this year, especially adding in the playoff performance.

I'm nervous about Guentzel, for the record. His performance in Carolina assuaged some of the concern about 'is he just a Crosby product' but the financial commitment being discussed for a small skill winger seems extreme.

 

[ziploc]

We really don't have a ton of spare salary to unload. Mikheyev, of course, and then who?

I presume Silovs is back and DeSmith gone, some savings there. Miller, Boeser, EP, Demko, Hughes, Hronek and Soucy are locked in, and Hogs, Podz, PDG, Aman, Suter, Juulsen are all on the cheap.

The only other possible salary to shift would be Garland, and he was a prime candidate at the start of last season, but it looks like a bad idea now.

 

[Wisp]

The only other possible salary to shift would be Garland, and he was a prime candidate at the start of last season, but it looks like a bad idea now.

Still not a bad idea, just a matter if you're sure you have something better to spend the salary on.

 

[Vector]

Mikheyev has obviously had a better career. Mikheyev has never had a season as good as Joshua had this year, especially adding in the playoff performance.

I'm nervous about Guentzel, for the record. His performance in Carolina assuaged some of the concern about 'is he just a Crosby product' but the financial commitment being discussed for a small skill winger seems extreme.

I'm all in on Guentzel. Strike while the iron is hot and his decline shouldn't fully start for a few more seasons. With the lack of trade assets, I don't really see any other way to add an impact player.

 

[MS]

I'm all in on Guentzel. Strike while the iron is hot and his decline shouldn't fully start for a few more seasons. With the lack of trade assets, I don't really see any other way to add an impact player.

I get that and I'm probably 52% of that mindset but I've also never been the hugest fan of the specific player or that profile of player. And wish he was a couple years younger.

If we were discussing a Brady Tkachuk trade I'd be on selling the whole farm to make it happen.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I don't think there's a chance in hell that Lemmerimaki makes the team out of camp.

Agreed - I think the Canucks will be patient with him in Abbotsford. They can probably look to both Hoglander and Podkolzin as recent examples of guys who benefitted from some seasoning there. (plus, as you say, he just doesn't seem ready barring a massive summer)

 

[Vector]

I get that and I'm probably 52% of that mindset but I've also never been the hugest fan of the specific player or that profile of player. And wish he was a couple years younger.

If we were discussing a Brady Tkachuk trade I'd be on selling the whole farm to make it happen.

Problem, if you bundled all of the Canucks prime young assets (including Hoglander, Silovs, and Podkolzin), I don't think the farm would be enough for Tkachuk. Or at least it shouldn't. Teams do weird things with quantity over quality.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

If Joshua played for another team, would you trade a 1st to acquire him? Of course not.

So why would you trade a 1st to re-sign him? I get there'd be an extra mil or so in the deal, but still no.

I don't want Mikheyev back. At all. But I'm not giving up a 1st to facilitate it.

And I've said it before, but term is important with Joshua. No interest in anything 4+ years.

It isn't just about re-signing Joshua but not having yet another buyout hit on our cap total. Like I outlined, we'd be going into next season with nearly 7M in dead cap right when Hoglander and Boeser need new contracts, the latter of whom is a UFA.

 

[credulous]

i don't love the idea of committing 7/8 years to guentzel and i am skeptical he's as good as his raw numbers (tho as pointed out the carolina stint helps alleviate that) but this team is set up to be good now. there isn't really any elite young talent coming (i am not a believer in lekkerimaki at all and i think willander is going to be an nhler but maybe a bit underwhelming for where he was drafted) and every single player on the roster is at or past their theoretical peak. i'd have preferred they spent a couple years setting up to be elite but that went out the window with last season's moves. guentzel is really the only plausible option unless you think necas can be gotten without giving up a ton