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Reverend Mayhem said:
Mmmm I’m not sure if I’m prepared to pay that, even if everything you said after was true and I believe it is.
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It depends for me. Zadorov at 4.25M and letting Myers walk is definitely an improvement unless Myers is willing to sign for 3M or less. It isn't like there's a plethora of options going UFA shopping either. Tanev is the obvious pick up but you have to think he'd start getting managed deployment given his age. And that's assuming he even signs here.
 
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lawrence said:
Why does have boeser have to go ? He’s about to be a 40 goal scorer.
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He’s only approaching 40goals because JT is almost at 90pts.

They could t give him a way before.

If they can get good value for him in a trade, I wouldn’t be surprised if they pull the trigger.
 
Just A Bit Outside said:
He’s only approaching 40goals because JT is almost at 90pts.

They could t give him a way before.

If they can get good value for him in a trade, I wouldn’t be surprised if they pull the trigger.
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or maybe he's JT is approaching 90 points because there is someone capable enough to be a legit goal scorer?
We have a 40 goal scorer. lets get rid of him.
We have a100 point player first time since bure 100 point player at the age of 24 LETS TRADE HIM.
We have a 26 year old rhd who is in striking distace of 50 points. No Canuck dman in 2011 had 50 points. LETS TRADE HIM TOO!
 
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lawrence said:
or maybe he's JT is approaching 90 points because there is someone capable enough to be a legit goal scorer?
We have a 40 goal scorer. lets get rid of him.
We have a100 point player first time since bure 100 point player at the age of 24 LETS TRADE HIM.
We have a 26 year old rhd who is in striking distace of 50 points. No Canuck dman in 2011 had 50 points. LETS TRADE HIM TOO!
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JT drives that line, not the other way around.

If Boeser could, they would have tried playing him with EP on occasion on a line other than with JT.

Like I said, couldn't give him away before.

You don't have to trade him but they would be wise to explore his market in the summer.

Zero chance want to sign Boeser LT at the price he's going to be looking for. Even with the cap going up.
 
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Just A Bit Outside said:
JT drives that line, not the other way around.
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Yes, Mario Drove his line when he was paired with Jagr, lets trade Jagr. Clearly Mario Lemiuex was the driver on that line.
Mcdavid drives his line, let's trade Draisitl. Oilers should trade him since Draistl is not driving his line.

Colorado should get rid of Rantenen too. Clearly, Mackinnon is driving that line, and not Miiko.

Yes, lets trade Boeser, and

put a random player next to JT since he's just a good driver, that random player will score 38 goals. no problem about it.
 
lawrence said:
Yes, Mario Drove his line when he was paired with Jagr, lets trade Jagr. Clearly Mario Lemiuex was the driver on that line.
Mcdavid drives his line, let's trade Draisitl. Oilers should trade him since Draistl is not driving his line.

Colorado should get rid of Rantenen too. Clearly, Mackinnon is driving that line, and not Miiko.

Yes, lets trade Boeser, and

put a random player next to JT since he's just a good driver, that random player will score 38 goals. no problem about it.
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The better comparison would be Rob Brown. And they did trade Rob Brown. Penguins traded James Neal after hitting and being on pace for around 40 goals three years in a row.

I don’t think it’s a ludicrous idea to explore trading Boeser this offseason depending on return.
 
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Vector said:
The better comparison would be Rob Brown. And they did trade Rob Brown. Penguins traded James Neal after hitting and being on pace for around 40 goals three years in a row.

I don’t think it’s a ludicrous idea to explore trading Boeser this offseason depending on return.
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I guess it is. Let's not forget, that Boeser has been a part of our team for so long, part of this group for so long, and let's just trade him just like that. Especially since we are trying to win a cup now, trading him or a package kind of sets us back unless we find another 30-goal scorer to play with JT, or unless we are getting another equivalent to brock boeser, but a form of a right handed dman, that can play top 4, and be a decent offensive dman.

If we really need to free up space, my first choices for a trade or even waivers would be MIkeyev, who has a 4.7 million dollar contract for 2 more seasons, and Garland, who has 4.9 million. But I do think overall Canucks fans have been ok with the way Garland is playing.
 
LemonSauceD said:
I would easily take Zadorov at $4.25M.

He’s actually one of the best physical-defensive defenseman in the game. The only difference between him and a “top 4” guy like Cernak or Trouba is that he averages about 2 minutes less than those guys, but every single stat suggests Zadorov is a better player.

Zadorov is also an elite skater and his foot speed is actually surprisingly in the top echelon of all defenseman in the NHL.

Side note, Will Borgen is a defenseman id target for next season. He’s criminally underrated. He’s basically an Artem Zub.
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$4.25m AAV is reasonable for Zadorov, but at what term? Anything from 1 to 3 years, absolutely, 4 years is a little sketchy. No thanks to 5 or more.

Zadorov has a lot of plus attributes, but he doesn't consistently play at a top 4D level. He could be the high end #5 that can step in and fill in for a short period in the top 4 in case of injuries, but I wouldn't want to commit a lot of term for that, unless it is at an unreasonably low AAV, which he won't take I'm sure.

He will surely get more in the open market so he is another guy I would let walk.
 
I like Boeser as much as the next guy, but if our captain Bo Horvat can be traded then everyone should at the very least be considered/evaluated as a chip in the trade market.

Imagine how great of a haul he would return, his value is at an all time high.
 
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lawrence said:
Yes, Mario Drove his line when he was paired with Jagr, lets trade Jagr. Clearly Mario Lemiuex was the driver on that line.
Mcdavid drives his line, let's trade Draisitl. Oilers should trade him since Draistl is not driving his line.

Colorado should get rid of Rantenen too. Clearly, Mackinnon is driving that line, and not Miiko.

Yes, lets trade Boeser, and

put a random player next to JT since he's just a good driver, that random player will score 38 goals. no problem about it.
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Absolutely horrible comparisons.
 
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lawrence said:
I guess it is. Let's not forget, that Boeser has been a part of our team for so long, part of this group for so long, and let's just trade him just like that. Especially since we are trying to win a cup now, trading him or a package kind of sets us back unless we find another 30-goal scorer to play with JT, or unless we are getting another equivalent to brock boeser, but a form of a right handed dman, that can play top 4, and be a decent offensive dman.

If we really need to free up space, my first choices for a trade or even waivers would be MIkeyev, who has a 4.7 million dollar contract for 2 more seasons, and Garland, who has 4.9 million. But I do think overall Canucks fans have been ok with the way Garland is playing.
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Putting Mikheyev on waivers accomplishes nothing. Nobody will climb him, thus we're saving just a little more a 1M. We're better off attaching our 2nd and seeing if a team like Chicago or San Jose will help us out.

It really depends on what the offer was. I like Boeser and wouldn't really have much appetite to trade him. That said, he is a very streaky player and you have to wonder if this season is a sign of him getting back to where he once was or a flash in the pan ala Kuzmenko.

Another factor is what he'll be looking for to re-sign. Boeser at 6.6 is perfectly fine but if he starts demanding 8M+. Suddenly, I'm a lot more open to trading him.
 
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lawrence said:
It can free up 4.7 million by keeping him in Abbotsford.
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IIRC, you cant save that much by sending someone to the ahl. It's like around a mil of savings in cap only.
lawrence said:
“we couldn’t give him away before”

Says a guy whois comment you liked

Yet you expect a haul” in return.

What exactly do you think we can get for him ?
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I couldnt be bothered to trace back to the comment youre referencing but Im assuming thats when he was kinda in a slump and no one really wanted him? Not like now when his value is pretty good.
 
Bourne Endeavor said:
There's a cap of roughly 1.1M when you send players down precisely to stop teams from doing exactly what you want to do with Mikheyev. Nobody would be paying picks to take bad contracts if they could just bury players in the minors.
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LordBacon said:
IIRC, you cant save that much by sending someone to the ahl. It's like around a mil of savings in cap only.

I couldnt be bothered to trace back to the comment youre referencing but Im assuming thats when he was kinda in a slump and no one really wanted him? Not like now when his value is pretty good.
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Wasn’t aware of this. Thanks for the correction.

If that’s the case I advocate to trade him first.
 
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Bleach Clean said:
Ok so Guentzel is better than Garland (you still haven't explained why), but Garland is better than Boeser. Sure, please explain how you've made both assessments? Thx.
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Boeser won’t score in a bottom 6 role without pp1 time because he’s highly dependent on his linemates to succeed due to poor skating and weak compete/motor, hence why he looks like absolute dog shit away from Pettersson or Miller (and at times with them). His linemates produce at similar rates without him.

Garland has never been given an extended look in a top 6 role but it seems unlikely that his ppg wouldn’t increase significantly with more ice team and pp1 usage. However, Garland produces fantastic ES number with low quality of linemates, low ice time, and no pp1 usage, which is very valuable for a team with 2 1Cs.

Guentzel has similar question marks but scores at a much higher rate than Boeser (1ppg vs 0.8ppg, which is actually the same gap to Garland who scores at 0.6ppg), so I’m more forgiving of his deficiencies. I think trading Garland for Boeser would make the team worse. I think trading Garland for Guentzel would improve the team but not enough to be worth the assets required.
 
JT Milker said:
Boeser won’t score in a bottom 6 role without pp1 time because he’s highly dependent on his linemates to succeed due to poor skating and weak compete/motor, hence why he looks like absolute dog shit away from Pettersson or Miller (and at times with them). His linemates produce at similar rates without him.

Garland has never been given an extended look in a top 6 role but it seems unlikely that his ppg wouldn’t increase significantly with more ice team and pp1 usage. However, Garland produces fantastic ES number with low quality of linemates, low ice time, and no pp1 usage, which is very valuable for a team with 2 1Cs.

Guentzel has similar question marks but scores at a much higher rate than Boeser (1ppg vs 0.8ppg, which is actually the same gap to Garland who scores at 0.6ppg), so I’m more forgiving of his deficiencies. I think trading Garland for Boeser would make the team worse. I think trading Garland for Guentzel would improve the team but not enough to be worth the assets required.
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Ah, so there is a threshold where points from a worse play driver win out, good. That said, you think that threshold is 40%+ PPG above the better driver. Not an uncommon belief to see around here, actually. Is this rooted in GAR or On-Ice Expected Goals %?

To me, the way one gauges the value of points informs the value of Boeser over Garland (or Guentzel over Garland). The WOWY numbers show that Boeser and Miller paired together produce more offense than otherwise, but the alternatives haven't played with Miller long enough to say for sure (like Suter). I'm happy to explore this conversation with you to get to a better understanding. But to say Garland is better without it? No, there's enough to debate it.

Garland is a good player, but he has a ceiling that he's reached here. There's a reason he hasn't gotten that PP1 usage, PK usage or top6 icetime. Soon, I think he will shuffle off the roster because of it (if they can move him, that is).
 
Is Hronek really worth anything above 7m/year?

To me he’s a guy who’s being propped up by playing with Hughes all year. I want to see how he fares on his own before committing to a huge contract. His play in the last few months has been very pedestrian.
 
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