Canucks News, Rumours, and & Fantasy GM | Off-Season Edition | Not satisfied, so now what?

[Mr. Canucklehead]

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Vector, here, I've taken over this original post. Here's the link to my spreadsheet. Contains regularly updated capspace totals, projected rosters, and UFA & RFA lists with AFP's contract projections.

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[Jerry the great]

It’s way too early for anyone to know anything about where these negotiations will go.

i know 100% for sure where these guys might sign.

 

[TruGr1t]

It’s way too early for anyone to know anything about where these negotiations will go.

I mean, can you blame Zadorov for chasing 6x6, and Lindholm and Hronek chasing 7x8? They'll likely get it, was what the Canucks Central guys were saying.

 

[krutovsdonut]

i wonder if the canucks are working an angle on the canes. they wanted guentzel really badly at the tdl. canes got him. canes cannot sign everyone. now guentzel is a ufa and the canucks now say they want necas really badly. are they maybe trying to fake the canes into overvaluing and extending necas and letting guentzel walk?

 

[Wisp]

When the Canucks say seeya to most of their now-too-expensive UFAs, I have no doubt some folks here will panic and invoke the ghost of 2020 offseason even though Allvin and Rutherford have a much better track record identifying supporting players than Jim f***ing Benning.

Not to mention the organization raked in tons of cash this offseason with 7 home playoff games (and in-arena watch parties for away games). In 2020, Franky turned the taps off to cheap out and try to weather covid losses.

Anyways bookmark this!

 

[arttk]

It’s way too early for anyone to know anything about where these negotiations will go.

Yeah they probably know what the number is for each guy and if they are going to negotiate it means they want to get it done.
They should be calling around the league to get an idea what is available to trade and also which UFA is willing to come.

 

[HairyKneel]

I mean, can you blame Zadorov for chasing 6x6, and Lindholm and Hronek chasing 7x8? They'll likely get it, was what the Canucks Central guys were saying.

sorry but who are the Canucks central guys?

 

[Diamonddog01]

I mean, can you blame Zadorov for chasing 6x6, and Lindholm and Hronek chasing 7x8? They'll likely get it, was what the Canucks Central guys were saying.

I can see Zadorov and Lindholm getting those contacts but no way in hell anyone pays Hronek that much.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I’d put money on Lindholm not coming back.

Likely can get more money elsewhere and the potential to be the 1C.

 

[TruGr1t]

sorry but who are the Canucks central guys?

Sat, Dan and Irf.

 

[Nuckles]

I can see Zadorov and Lindholm getting those contacts but no way in hell anyone pays Hronek that much.

There are teams that would, just not good teams

 

[TruGr1t]

I can see Zadorov and Lindholm getting those contacts but no way in hell anyone pays Hronek that much.

Montour is 30, and is expected to get over $7M AAV. He'll probably get it based on age. Most of the higher-end right-side defensemen available are on the wrong side of 30.

 

[Vector]

I mean, can you blame Zadorov for chasing 6x6, and Lindholm and Hronek chasing 7x8? They'll likely get it, was what the Canucks Central guys were saying.

There’s no team in the world that will pay Hronek 7x8. It’s a ridiculous ask that doesn’t line up with any other contract comparable.

 

[Vector]

Sat, Dan and Irf.

No offense to those guys but…none of them have a track record of actually having inside info that comes to fruition.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Joshua played like 3 good games the entire playoffs. Two of those were the game ones in each round.

I know Hughes didn’t put up a lot of points but he’s the only guy who wasn’t constantly hemmed and that was an anemic PP. On the first line, Suter couldn’t bury a chance. The Lindholm line struggled to control territory in most games. And yeah, we don’t need to mention the Pettersson line.

Zadorov was really bad at the tail end of R2. That fun haha battle with Kane turned into Kane being really good and Zadorov being pretty bad.

I know Blueger/PDG/Aman gave nothing offensively but they survived when hemmed and were responsible.

Astute post.

Your outline stands out because it's against the grain... which is surprising to me.

On balance, Joshua was poor in the playoffs. Zadorov imploded late, basic 4/5 utility in season, but somehow these are the players that made the team good in the first place? Hardly. They are complementary players at best. Short samples and unique skill sets don't change that fact.

Mikheyev: Is this regime's worst signing, but what are you really getting back for him? Going though the exercise, the best I could manage was Reilly Smith in return. At that point, just keep him and see if he bounces back.

In the larger sense, this team lost because they lack puck movers on the back end and scorers on the wings. They lacked talent. So people need to be less in love with the players that were here and push for player with talent. Forget big, or snarly, get players who can push the play forward.

On Talent: It doesn't go away. Other factors impede it or keep it dormant, but it's there (to reference a past discussion about Zaitsev (@Vector)). If you can find enough talent plays at the mid and low points of the roster, then you don't get stuck with an overpaid Mikheyev. Instead, they play into higher salaries over time. The Canucks need to employ and perfect that process here. They had a good start this past offseason.

 

[credulous]

i wonder if the canucks are working an angle on the canes. they wanted guentzel really badly at the tdl. canes got him. canes cannot sign everyone. now guentzel is a ufa and the canucks now say they want necas really badly. are they maybe trying to fake the canes into overvaluing and extending necas and letting guentzel walk?

nhl front office is a relationships game. teams don't do this because they'd be blackballed by the rest of the league. brian burke still never shuts up about kevin lowe and the dustin penner offer sheet

 

[TruGr1t]

There’s no team in the world that will pay Hronek 7x8. It’s a ridiculous ask that doesn’t line up with any other contract comparable.

Why? AFP has Montour at 6x$7.7M, and he's 30 years old. I could easily see someone going 6-7 x 8 on Hronek at 26.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

There’s no team in the world that will pay Hronek 7x8. It’s a ridiculous ask that doesn’t line up with any other contract comparable.

$7 million x 8 years I would do that. Heck the Canucks offered $6.5 million x 8 years.

 

[Wisp]

Team's reservation about Hronek will be 'can he do it without Hughes?'

No one will think he's a true talent 50 points guy.

 

[Bankerguy]

people who dont think Hronek will make absolute fat bank does not understand hockey outside of watching the odd canucks game on tv.
He's young, right shot, not atrocious in his own zone and put up 48 points. Every other negative aspect you could bring forward is nuanced.
If he was a UFA right now, he'd get a long term deal at 8 or close to 8 mill.

 

[Vector]

Why? AFP has Montour at 6x$7.7M, and he's 30 years old. I could easily see someone going 6-7 x 8 on Hronek at 26.

There’s not a single comparable for Hronek anywhere near that number. It would be an unprecedented contract. Especially for a guy who had a lousy 2nd half, even if injured.

 

[Vector]

$7 million x 8 years I would do that. Heck the Canucks offered $6.5 million x 8 years.

Opposite numbers.

 

[TruGr1t]

There’s not a single comparable for Hronek anywhere near that number. It would be an unprecedented contract. Especially for a guy who had a lousy 2nd half, even if injured.

Montour had a terrible year as well (33pts coming off something like 70pts). It's called asset scarcity. 40+ point, right-shot defensemen that can play ~20 minutes per night aren't available.

 

[Vector]

Astute post.

Your outline stands out because it's against the grain... which is surprising to me.

On balance, Joshua was poor in the playoffs. Zadorov imploded late, basic 4/5 utility in season, but somehow these are the players that made the team good in the first place? Hardly. They are complementary players at best. Short samples and unique skill sets don't change that fact.

Mikheyev: Is this regime's worst signing, but what are you really getting back for him? Going though the exercise, the best I could manage was Reilly Smith in return. At that point, just keep him and see if he bounces back.

In the larger sense, this team lost because they lack puck movers on the back end and scorers on the wings. They lacked talent. So people need to be less in love with the players that were here and push for player with talent. Forget big, or snarly, get players who can push the play forward.

On Talent: It doesn't go away. Other factors impede it or keep it dormant, but it's there (to reference a past discussion about Zaitsev (@Vector)). If you can find enough talent plays at the mid and low points of the roster, then you don't get stuck with an overpaid Mikheyev. Instead, they play into higher salaries over time. The Canucks need to employ and perfect that process here. They had a good start this past offseason.

To be clear I completely agree with this other than Zaitsev. I just see absolutely no upside with him and think there are better options.

 

[Vector]

Montour had a terrible year as well (33pts coming off something like 70pts). It's called asset scarcity.

Okay? I’m not sure why you keep bringing up Montour. He’s not a comparable.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Chychrun could be available based on past rumours and Ottawa’s current state. I think he would improve a lot under Tocchet and Foote. He’s not that far removed from almost being a PPG in Arizona.