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[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

I would go 5.5 x 5 will Zadorov. Brings a lot to the table. Maybe years 4 and 5 drop off but likely the cap has gone up 10-20 million by then.

Lindholm is the guy you have to keep. You gave up so much to get him. He’s an elite faceoff and pk guy. Problem is he almost got run out of town before the playoffs started. Does he really want o play in a city like that?

Not sure

Sunk cost has nothing to do with whether you resign him or not.

 

[sting101]

I would go 5.5 x 5 will Zadorov. Brings a lot to the table. Maybe years 4 and 5 drop off but likely the cap has gone up 10-20 million by then.

Lindholm is the guy you have to keep. You gave up so much to get him. He’s an elite faceoff and pk guy. Problem is he almost got run out of town before the playoffs started. Does he really want o play in a city like that?

Not sure

You cant do this....it's how you end up re signing Gudbranson or keeping Keith Ballard when you realize it's not gonna work at the cap hit they want or are getting

What we gave up should be irrelevant to re signing him at X for X

 

[Vector]

Zadorov:
-Dhaliwal has been texting with Milstein all week
-nothing new to report
-no progress, no offers, or contract conversations since the playoffs ended
-no talks in a while
-Canucks have not met with Milstein at the combine in Buffalo
-term is the big issue and Zadorov is looking for big term
-looks bleak right now
-Canucks are interviewing all three of Milstein's first round hopefuls at the combine

Lindholm:
-would love to have him back but the number is to high
-can't afford him

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

What we gave up should be irrelevant to re signing him at X for X

It’s literally the sunk cost fallacy lol

 

[Petey O]

Zadorov:
-Dhaliwal has been texting with Milstein all week
-nothing new to report
-no progress, no offers, or contract conversations since the playoffs ended
-no talks in a while
-Canucks have not met with Milstein at the combine in Buffalo
-term is the big issue and Zadorov is looking for big term
-looks bleak right now
-Canucks are interviewing all three of Milstein's first round hopefuls at the combine

Lindholm:
-would love to have him back but the number is to high
-can't afford him

Well, it's been fun. I don't know why the Canucks' FO is obsessing over term, here.

 

[TruGr1t]

Heh just looking at the time stamps. Did IMac and Dhaliwal’s conflicting reports come out at like basically the exact same time?

Also, I'm starting to think Lindholm might be the most likely free agent to sign.

 

[Petey O]

Heh just looking at the time stamps. Did IMac and Dhaliwal’s conflicting reports come out at like basically the exact same time?

Also, I'm starting to think Lindholm might be the most likely free agent to sign.

I love Lindholm, but losing Joshua and Zadorov in one offseason would be a major blow to team toughness. Not easy pieces to replace.

 

[Vector]

Heh just looking at the time stamps. Did IMac and Dhaliwal’s conflicting reports come out at like basically the exact same time?

Also, I'm starting to think Lindholm might be the most likely free agent to sign.

Posted on twitter 3 minutes apart. Although Dhaliwal would have brought this up on his show before then.

 

[mriswith]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1798801544462373042

I wonder why Pesce would turn down 5x5. Carolina a bunch of . Demanding an arm and a leg and a left nut for Necas and lowballing the shit out of Pesce.

Carolina's strategy of needing to win big on day 1 and only make lopsided deals applies to internal contracts too.

I hope Slavin leaves next year. You'd have to think agents have figured this out and will encourage their clients to leave for a fair offer somewhere else.

 

[Bonham]

Losing some of these pieces may sting in the short term, but keeping a cap structure and not locking themselves into long-term deals they will eventually regret is the right play.

Hopefully they can offload Mik without too much cost then they will be looking pretty favorable moving forward. They have to be smart with the looming OEL anchor coming up.

 

[Diamonddog01]

SJ fans had an interesting proposal on the main boards - Mik for a 2nd which is an easy yes for me and then suggested including Sturm or Kostin. Wouldn't give up a 1st for that but perhaps a prospect gets it done. Kostin would be a cheaper Joshua replacement (at least for next season) and Sturm would be a 3rd line C replacement in the event that Blueger doesn't re-sign.

 

[Hansen]

SJ fans had an interesting proposal on the main boards - Mik for a 2nd which is an easy yes for me and then suggested including Sturm or Kostin. Wouldn't give up a 1st for that but perhaps a prospect gets it done. Kostin would be a cheaper Joshua replacement (at least for next season) and Sturm would be a 3rd line C replacement in the event that Blueger doesn't re-sign.

I'd take Kostin on this team in a second

 

[Hodgy]

SJ fans had an interesting proposal on the main boards - Mik for a 2nd which is an easy yes for me and then suggested including Sturm or Kostin. Wouldn't give up a 1st for that but perhaps a prospect gets it done. Kostin would be a cheaper Joshua replacement (at least for next season) and Sturm would be a 3rd line C replacement in the event that Blueger doesn't re-sign.

That’s seems pretty out of whack with the historical cost to dump two years at basically 5 million for a player that’s scored once this calendar year.

I think a buyout is the better route assuming it’s going to cost a first or two seconds or whatever for Mikheyev. Or perhaps retention. The Canucks are just so thin on draft capital that they will need to make additions to the roster and that will be really hard without those picks. And I don’t think they will want to trade any of their top prospects as they are counting on them to provide cost controlled contributions over the coming years.

I think the most likely outcome is that he’s retained, on hopes that there is a dead cat bounce as he gets healthier, and then trade him at the deadline ala Kuzmenko or Johansnn.

 

[VanillaCoke]

SJ fans had an interesting proposal on the main boards - Mik for a 2nd which is an easy yes for me and then suggested including Sturm or Kostin. Wouldn't give up a 1st for that but perhaps a prospect gets it done. Kostin would be a cheaper Joshua replacement (at least for next season) and Sturm would be a 3rd line C replacement in the event that Blueger doesn't re-sign.

Easy yes.
Kostin is a real good bet to improve, and I'd take Sturm for the bottom six.

Would also take Rutta, a mik rutta swap I've long thought is nearly best case scenario, those other two forwards are a good bonus.
If they took the Poolman ltir money too then we're really talking about a deal.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

AFPAnalytics predicts Lindholm to get a 5yr/$33.8M contract or $6.765M/yr.

If that's the case, I don't see any reason why mgmt wouldn't do that deal.

But I could can easily see him getting more in FA.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

That’s seems pretty out of whack with the historical cost to dump two years at basically 5 million for a player that’s scored once this calendar year.

This ain't the flat cap economy anymore.

 

[Hodgy]

This ain't the flat cap economy anymore.

Ya, for sure. But has the economy halved the disposition cost? I doubt that but am interesting to see if there are any interesting comparables.

 

[MS]

I'd take Kostin on this team in a second

At $1 million absolutely but the problem is that he makes $2 million and if you don't want to give Joshua $3 million only to give a wildly inferior player $2 million to take the same roster spot ... that ain't good math to me.

 

[arttk]

That’s seems pretty out of whack with the historical cost to dump two years at basically 5 million for a player that’s scored once this calendar year.

I think a buyout is the better route assuming it’s going to cost a first or two seconds or whatever for Mikheyev. Or perhaps retention. The Canucks are just so thin on draft capital that they will need to make additions to the roster and that will be really hard without those picks. And I don’t think they will want to trade any of their top prospects as they are counting on them to provide cost controlled contributions over the coming years.

I think the most likely outcome is that he’s retained, on hopes that there is a dead cat bounce as he gets healthier, and then trade him at the deadline ala Kuzmenko or Johansnn.

SJ probably don’t want to be historically bad again and want to insulate Smith and Celebrini with some talent.
It won’t be easy for them to sign up UFA considering how shit they are and how incredibly expensive SJ is to live.

 

[Vector]

At $1 million absolutely but the problem is that he makes $2 million and if you don't want to give Joshua $3 million only to give a wildly inferior player $2 million to take the same roster spot ... that ain't good math to me.

I’m very curious if the numbers are off and he’s looking for 4m.

 

[Hodgy]

I’m very curious if the numbers are off and he’s looking for 4m.

I mean, inhis position, he’d be crazy to take any discount on total value of his contract.

 

[Jerry the great]

I’m very curious if the numbers are off and he’s looking for 4m.

That Jason Dickinson contract really changed the landscape.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Re-signing Lindholm is about making the best high-floor bet. He better helps them do what they already do: Low event, risk free hockey. He does not, however, change them enough in order for them to get to a new level. That's what an elite winger like Guentzel would do.

The more you look at what Allvin-Rutherford have done, the more you see that they are about making floor bets. They are aggressive in making those bets, but the players themselves are rather conservative for upside. More about making every position NHL calibre, than to try and shoot for the moon (upside). That's why it makes sense that the would try to re-sign Lindholm.

Last: With a rising cap, a locked AAV for term is valuable, provided the player is good. Lindholm is a low end 1C on balance, and that is valuable overall.



Sat on Canucks Central: They're likely moving Mikheyev and Garland. Joshua probably leaves as well.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Re-signing Lindholm is about making the best high-floor bet. He will have the Canucks more efficiently do what they already do, but not change them enough to have them do something more. The latter gets them to a new level. The former keeps them in the hunt. There's a tradeoff.

The more you look at what Allvin-Rutherford have done, the more you see that they are about making floor bets. They are aggressive in making those bets, but the players themselves are rather conservative for upside. They are more concerned with making every roster spot NHL calibre, and less about cycling upside bets to get a player to outperform his position.

Last: With a rising cap, a locked AAV for term is valuable, provided the player is good. Lindholm is a low end 1C on balance, and that is valuable in the market.



Sat on Canucks Central: They're likely moving Mikheyev and Garland. Joshua probably leaves as well.

moving Garland is stupid IMO.

But I’ll reserve judgement to see what they do.

 

[wonton15]

It wouldn’t surprise me if Jim/Allvin leaked the Lindholm/Zadorov traction rumour to put pressure on other players we’d want to sign like Blueger/Hronek/Joshua rather than provoke Lindholm/Zadorov. Subtle messaging that we could easily eat up all our cap soon so sign asap!