Canucks News, Rumours, and & Fantasy GM | Let the negotiations through the media begin!
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Hurricanes:
-Guentzel's agent, same as Brock Boeser's, says that he'll probably become a UFA
-those outside the organization believe the Hurricanes will try to re-sign Pesce and Skjei
-previous extension talks with Pesce didn't go well
-Teravainen's camp is expected to make a decision in the next week
-Hurricanes haven't started deep negotiations with Necas yet
-telling inquiring teams to wait on Necas trade talk until they discuss extension with him
-at least a dozen teams have asked about Necas; Flames, Predators, Kraken, Flyers, Canadiens, and Canucks are listed
Canucks:
-Myer's agent said all the chatter around him is just noice; two sides have started talking but is early
-Canucks have shown interest in bringing back Blueger; have spoken to his agent
-Canucks plan on circling back to Blueger later this month
Maple Leafs:
-contract negotiations with Bertuzzi started last week
-mutual interest in Bertuzzi staying
-have expressed interest in re-signing Edmundson but he plans on testing the UFA market
-Edmundson is open to returning to Toronto but wants to see his options
-have not started talking to Lyubushkin
Bruins:
-Forbort will become a UFA
Rangers:
-will begin extension talks with Shesterkin
Blue Jackets:
-Boone will talk with Don Waddell soon; is excited about changes
-Waddell's mandate is to make them a playoff team next season
Draft Combine:
-combine is June 3rd to 8th
-agents and GMs are in the room for the same time in a while
-this is when extension talks (AND COLLUSION*) begin
*my editorial*
Vancouver_2010
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"On the day after the Oilers got swept from the Stanley Cup Finals....Jake Guentzel, Nikita Zadorov and Elias Lindholm have fired their respective agents. Have indicated their intent to sign term friendly deals with Vancouver."
This will surely go well.
Mr. Canucklehead
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All I did was publicly say I wanted to talk to a player's agent a few days before free agency opened, and publicly stated I'd had trade talks with another GM about another specific player and that the asking price was high. How did I get it wrong?!
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Notice that example you use, the trend lines shows improvement over time and you can't just hand wave a full season worth of points away.
There are a lot of red flags with KK, one of the flag is he went like PPG for the 1st 14 games and then put up 13 points for the remaining 65 games. Another flag is that his TOI dropped to the point he was playing 8-11 minutes for 9/11 playoff games meaning the coach didn't trust him. It's not like that is just a playoff thing, his TOI dropped a lot and he played between 9-11 minutes for a good portion of the season. Another flag is he doesn't kill penalties, he spent 10 minutes on the PK for the whole of last season.
4.8M for a left shot center that doesn't PK and might put up 40 points if you put him on the PP is not a efficient contract. I didn't realize that he didn't PK, so with that in mind, he needs to be hitting 50-60 points in order to really justify his usage considering how limited he is as a center.
I think i was over reacting to his playoff performance. At the very least, Lindholm was one of the reason our playoff PK was like 80+% despite facing the top 2 PP units in Edmonton and Nashville. He provides elite defense and he put up 10 points in 13 playoff games.
If we get KK, we essentially have 1 center that can't PK. With Lindholm, all our centers can PK and we can distribute the minutes a role better.
With Lindholm, we can play him as the matchup center, with KK, you can only play him against soft matchups.
With Lindholm, you can slot him in the top6 whenever there is an injury and he has a history of putting up points when paired with good wingers. With KK, there is no history of him being able to play up the lineup.
Literally the only reason to get KK is to get rid of Mik and the buyout for KK is negligible compared to Mik.
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If not go on Necas, call up Anaheim. Apparently they were interested in acquiring a Top 4 RHD.
Hronek for Vatrano, Luneau + Edm 2024 1st
Hronek for Vatrano, Luneau + Edm 2024 1st
All of those red flags point to the possibility that he was playing hurt. Hits thrown were almost cut in half YOY as well. His season went off the rails early and all his number were counter the prior three year trend. Did he for get how to play hockey, or was it something else?
the PK thing might be a thing, or it might not. Connor Garland doesn't kill penalties, but is a very good defensive player. Bo Horvat was a fixture on our PK and he was horrible at it. Sam Reinhart didn't kill penalties at all in Buffalo but has been big contributor in Florida. Lindholm wasn't a big pk guy early in his career either. Lot of that deployment comes down to opportunity/necessity. Just because he hasn't doesn't mean he can't.
I don't see Anaheim making that trade.
he doesn't kill penalties period and doesn't play defensive matchups (look at his deployment), we can't afford to pay a 3rd line center 4.8 that might put up 40ish points, doesn't PK and doesn't play matchup minutes.
Sam Reinhart was a regular 20+ goal scorer for Buffalo before Florida went out to get him and he had much better point production compared to KK. I don't even know how you can compare the two.
Garland puts up around 50 ES points every season and he's still considered overpaid until this season. If Garland puts up like 20ish ES points he's going to be considered as a negative contract. You are just throwing out players that are in no way comparable to KK.
KK literally played 66 games 2 season ago for the Canes and played ZERO PK minutes. He has about 20 minutes worth of PK minutes in the last 3 seasons combined. He's literally the last possible option on the PK for Carolina and you can't just hand wave that away and say, well he only need more opportunity. There is a reason why Rod Brindamour refuses to play him on the PK.
That's been out there for quite a while. Canucks are believed to have offered him 4.5m and he rejected it.
There are plenty of examples of players that are good defensively that don't kill penalties (i pointed out Garland) as well as guys that didn't kill penalties earlier on in their careers but did as they got older and....you know better (Reinhart, Lindholm). All meant to illustrate that while Kotkaniemi doesn't currently kill penalties, that doesn't necessarily make him bad defensively, or mean that he won't kill penalties in the future. is that more clear?
He has been in the NHL for 6 years across 2 teams and 3 coaches? He played a total of 2.6 minutes worth of PK in 3 season for Montreal and 20ish minutes for Carolina over 3. There is enough sample size to say, yeah he probably really incompetent at PK and most likely won't be a PKer and yeah there 6 seasons is enough track record to make that future prediction.
So he's basically a PP/ES only center which is fine if he is actually good at putting up production and playing defensive hockey at ES. Problem is if a player has ZERO PK utility, especially a center, then you are paying for above average ES play. There is nothing that shows he is an above average ES point producer and his deployment suggests he is also not suitable for a defensive shut down role.
You need to stop using Reinhart and Lindholm as comparables. Reinhart is a 5x 20 goal scorer, 3x 30 goal scorer and a 1 time 50 goal scorer. He scored 20 goals basically from his 1st season and has consistently been scoring ever since. Lindholm also since he joined the league, has played a lot of minutes, and is consistent with his point production. They are both players that played very consistently before breaking out. There is zero signs that KK is on the verge of breaking out. The only thing he has going for him is he was a high pick.
sting101
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Dont want Kotkaniemi
LINDHOLM (rights) for DEBUSK (rights)
sign before July 1st
DEBRUSK (5.25-5.75 x 5) HRONEK (6.5-6.8 x 4) MYERS (2.8-3.25 x 2) BLUEGER (1.5 x 1) JOSHUA (3-3.25 x 4) SILOVS (1.2 x 2)
* ZADOROV (5.25-5.5 x 6) or sign DILLON (3.5 x 2) and EDMUNDSON (2 x 1) if you can make it work. Maybe COLE takes that last spot if Edmundson wants more and isnt available which is most likely. If Zadorov then Friedman or similar is signed maybe STECHER
Buyout MIKHAYEV if you cant attach a small asset to get rid of
* ARVIDSSON (3.75-4.25 x 1) or PERRON to bridge LEKKERIMAKI
KATCHOUK (850 x 1) if Ottawa doesnt sign him
Hoglander Miller Boeser Hughes Hronek Demko
DeBrusk Pettersson Arvidsson Soucy Myers Silovs
Joshua Suter Garland Zadorov Stecher or Dillon Cole
DeGuiseppe Blueger Podkolzin Brisebois Juulsen
Amen
Abby/ITS
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Katchouk Sasson Karlsson Pettersson Willander
LINDHOLM (rights) for DEBUSK (rights)
sign before July 1st
DEBRUSK (5.25-5.75 x 5) HRONEK (6.5-6.8 x 4) MYERS (2.8-3.25 x 2) BLUEGER (1.5 x 1) JOSHUA (3-3.25 x 4) SILOVS (1.2 x 2)
* ZADOROV (5.25-5.5 x 6) or sign DILLON (3.5 x 2) and EDMUNDSON (2 x 1) if you can make it work. Maybe COLE takes that last spot if Edmundson wants more and isnt available which is most likely. If Zadorov then Friedman or similar is signed maybe STECHER
Buyout MIKHAYEV if you cant attach a small asset to get rid of
* ARVIDSSON (3.75-4.25 x 1) or PERRON to bridge LEKKERIMAKI
KATCHOUK (850 x 1) if Ottawa doesnt sign him
Hoglander Miller Boeser Hughes Hronek Demko
DeBrusk Pettersson Arvidsson Soucy Myers Silovs
Joshua Suter Garland Zadorov Stecher or Dillon Cole
DeGuiseppe Blueger Podkolzin Brisebois Juulsen
Amen
Abby/ITS
Bains Raty Lekkerimaki Wolanin McWard
Katchouk Sasson Karlsson Pettersson Willander
TruGr1t
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Especially when Dillon is in local media begging for 2x$2.5M or something around there. Fine replacement for bottom left-side. The Hronek situation and the right-side is more of an issue. I can see Zadorov possibly coming down eventually, though, if he really wants to stay in Vancouver.
SelltheTeamFrancesco
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What comparables are they using. I can’t find a comparable over 5 million. Only played a little over 17 mins this season.
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Frankie Blueberries
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Tocchett would send him to the Swiss League.
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