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[sting101]

If Guenzel is going to UFA then Necas wont be available without demanding a trade

 

[Jerry the great]

where are people getting hronek to carolina from? he seems completely antithetical to everything they are about. i think if there's a big deal with carolina it's more likely to be pettersson going the other way

I could see this happening if Reinhart doesn't sign in Florida and for whatever reason wants to come home. Sign SR13 and flip EP40 to Carolina for Necas and a prospect (Nadeau) and maybe rights to Chatfield. do you think Reinhart could move back to the middle? his defensive game is a lot better than it was when he was in Buffalo.

 

[sting101]

I really don't see a Hronek-Necas deal happening. There's a lot of smoke around Necas, but essentially nothing reported that Carolina is interested in Hronek.

And that makes sense to me. It's not Carolina's MO to trade for a guy who is now poised to get a big raise. They're literally going to let go of several of their current defensemen up for raises.

I agree. It's a salivating rumour but It's far more likely they turn Necas into players drafted 2019 to 2021 than go for a UFA aged Hronek with a contract impasse.

I guess Hoglander makes a lot of sense in saying that and it's possible that is their angle. Hoglander at 1.1 Hronek at 6.5 to 6.8 signed over his prime ages vs Necas at 8-8.5 which is probably what he's driving for after getting underpaid for the last few yrs badly. The issue for us becomes what else are they offering then if so

 

[TruGr1t]

where are people getting hronek to carolina from? he seems completely antithetical to everything they are about. i think if there's a big deal with carolina it's more likely to be pettersson going the other way

Rumoured ask from Carolina for Necas is a "#3-ish defenseman" apparently, people are connecting the dots with the Canucks rumoured interest.

 

[Diamonddog01]

I would bet that if the Canucks and Carolina do a deal, it would also involve some kind of swap of Mikheyev and Kotkaniemi.

I proposed this (including Necas for Hronek and Hogs for Morrow) on the main board however Canes fans had a hissy fit.

 

[racerjoe]

Honestly we have no idea what Carolina is really going to do... this is such a different spot for them and I don't think their past means much... they also never chased guys like Guenzel before.

To me it just adds to the excitement of the off season... Hope the final is a sweep.

 

[arttk]

Honestly we have no idea what Carolina is really going to do... this is such a different spot for them and I don't think their past means much... they also never chased guys like Guenzel before.

To me it just adds to the excitement of the off season... Hope the final is a sweep.

opinion can switch rapidly since it's really dependent on what the owner wants and he has a structure that makes him really in charge of stuff. He's like the Mark Cuban of the NHL except he doesn't do the talking with the other GM bits, he just tells the GM to execute.

 

[strattonius]

I'm not advocating trading for Kotkaniemi but a lot of you are underrating his game. He's developing in to a solid 3C with ability to move up to the top 6 in a pinch if there's injuries.

Don't think the Hurricanes are moving him but if they do he's certainly not a throw in swap for Mikheyev - keep dreaming.

 

[Hodgy]

I can get it from Carolina if its Necas for Hronek because they also probably don't want to re-sign Necas at his ask based on their philosophy. So if they bring in Hroney they at least get one more year without needing to commit long term, and that year may be important because Pesce is going to walk, as well as Chatfield.

I don't really love it from a Vancouver perspective but perhaps Necas has another level of development. But if Vancouver doesn't think they can sign Guentzel or Reinhard then I understand why they are moving on to the next tier of wingers.

Also, I have no idea why anyone thinks Carolina will take Mikheyev's contract on.

 

[Nick Lang]

Also, I have no idea why anyone thinks Carolina will take Mikheyev's contract on.

Agreed, they won't.

 

[pitseleh]

I’m still skeptical that the team that spent years unsuccessfully trying to trade highly paid 50-60 point wingers for defencemen would trade their only good RD who they just paid an arm and a leg for to get a 50-60 point winger who is about to get paid.

Even if they see Necas as a C he doesn’t seem like a great fit as a third liner or someone who bumps Pettersson to the wing.

Maybe if they get something else out of the deal too there is a fit but then they’d be in a position of needing to find two RDs, not just one.

 

[Lindgren]

I’m not sure of all these players are now UFA. From that list Ben King and Graham Sward and are two guys I’d like to know more about.

Here's a story that confirms that Sward wasn't signed by Colorado, and it offers a bit more info about him:
Avalanche Relinquish Rights To Top WHL Defenseman

 

[arttk]

I’m still skeptical that the team that spent years unsuccessfully trying to trade highly paid 50-60 point wingers for defencemen would trade their only good RD who they just paid an arm and a leg for to get a 50-60 point winger who is about to get paid.

Even if they see Necas as a C he doesn’t seem like a great fit as a third liner or someone who bumps Pettersson to the wing.

Maybe if they get something else out of the deal too there is a fit but then they’d be in a position of needing to find two RDs, not just one.

JR basically flipped the whole roster after they won a cup, I think with this management group, anything is possible.

 

[thecupismine]

I’m still skeptical that the team that spent years unsuccessfully trying to trade highly paid 50-60 point wingers for defencemen would trade their only good RD who they just paid an arm and a leg for to get a 50-60 point winger who is about to get paid.

Even if they see Necas as a C he doesn’t seem like a great fit as a third liner or someone who bumps Pettersson to the wing.

Maybe if they get something else out of the deal too there is a fit but then they’d be in a position of needing to find two RDs, not just one.

Agreed, think people need to pump the brakes a bit on the Hronek trade talk. If they're going to move assets, it'll likely be Hoglander + something, using the value of his contract to trade up on immediate impact.

They do need to acquire another winger who can put up 60+ points beside Petey if they want to contend, but picking the spot is going to be key. You need Kevin Fiala-type deals (Faber was a 2nd round pick who was trending only okay-ish), not lateral moves at the top of the lineup, especially when you're trading the player at the more valuable position.

In absence of that, trying to find two way, play driving middle six guys akin to what the Canucks did with Higgins to play with Kesler is key. I'm sure that's what the Canucks thought they were getting with Mikyahev too, so I think they see the vision, just missed there on the pro-scouting side.

 

[TruGr1t]

I’m still skeptical that the team that spent years unsuccessfully trying to trade highly paid 50-60 point wingers for defencemen would trade their only good RD who they just paid an arm and a leg for to get a 50-60 point winger who is about to get paid.

Even if they see Necas as a C he doesn’t seem like a great fit as a third liner or someone who bumps Pettersson to the wing.

Maybe if they get something else out of the deal too there is a fit but then they’d be in a position of needing to find two RDs, not just one.

If they want a true borderline top-line forward, I'm not sure how else they acquire one. I doubt any of the marquee free agents sign here (either since they want to play in the US or can probably get better offers ... it's basically realistically only Guentzel and Reinhart anyway), and then you're left with a bunch of second-tier guys like Toffoli etc. I get the impression they aren't particularly interested in "rolling it back", or in other words, spending most of their available cap space on re-upping their own free agents and tinkering with depth pieces around the edges.

They don't have a ton of trade currency in prospects or picks (unless they make the top prospects available, which I don't think they'll do). By process of elimination, one of the ways they could actually shake up the roster is by not paying the top defensive pair ~$16M in total cap space, so it's not entirely crazy, in my opinion. I don't think they'll necessarily do it, but I can see the logic. Having a $5M-$6M guy next to Hughes instead of a $7.5M-$8M guy, probably in combination with somehow ditching Mikheyev, gives you more flexibility to make changes.

 

[Hodgy]

If they want a true borderline top-line forward, I'm not sure how else they acquire one. I doubt any of the marquee free agents sign here (either since they want to play in the US or can probably get better offers ... it's basically realistically only Guentzel and Reinhart anyway), and then you're left with a bunch of second-tier guys like Toffoli etc. I get the impression they aren't particularly interested in "rolling it back", or in other words, spending most of their available cap space on re-upping their own free agents and tinkering with depth pieces around the edges.

They don't have a ton of trade currency in prospects or picks (unless they make the top prospects available, which I don't think they'll do). By process of elimination, one of the ways they could actually shake up the roster is by not paying the top defensive pair ~$16M in total cap space, so it's not entirely crazy, in my opinion. I don't think they'll necessarily do it, but I can see the logic. Having a $5M-$6M guy next to Hughes instead of a $7.5M-$8M guy, probably in combination with somehow ditching Mikheyev, gives you more flexibility to make changes.

I don't think Necas will be worth a ton and they could both acquire Necas and re-sign Hronek,

 

[Vector]

I’m still skeptical that the team that spent years unsuccessfully trying to trade highly paid 50-60 point wingers for defencemen would trade their only good RD who they just paid an arm and a leg for to get a 50-60 point winger who is about to get paid.

Even if they see Necas as a C he doesn’t seem like a great fit as a third liner or someone who bumps Pettersson to the wing.

Maybe if they get something else out of the deal too there is a fit but then they’d be in a position of needing to find two RDs, not just one.

That's the part that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Unless they know they can get DeMelo or someone in free agency then there's some logic there. Otherwise you're once again remaking the entire defence.

I do get the idea of targeting Necas as a running mate for Pettersson. Similar to Hronek amplifying Hughes game, if you feel Pettersson and Necas can resonate with each other that gives you two top-6 combos that are extremely effective. Re-sign Joshua (or equivalent) to go with Garland and you've got three effective pairings.

 

[Wisp]

Also, I have no idea why anyone thinks Carolina will take Mikheyev's contract on.

I find the notion of a Kotkaniemi swap a feasible possibility. winding down Mikheyev's 2 seasons of term and gambling on his speed returning (as is the timeline with this sort of surgery) would be more budget conscious of them than buying out Kotkaniemi.

Because Kotkaniemi is under 23, he is only an $835,000 caphit if bought out. A rich team like Vancouver could afford that.

 

[Jerry the great]

That's the part that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Unless they know they can get DeMelo or someone in free agency then there's some logic there. Otherwise you're once again remaking the entire defence.

I do get the idea of targeting Necas as a running mate for Pettersson. Similar to Hronek amplifying Hughes game, if you feel Pettersson and Necas can resonate with each other that gives you two top-6 combos that are extremely effective. Re-sign Joshua (or equivalent) to go with Garland and you've got three effective pairings.

It would be nuts IMO to deal Hronek for Necas before getting ink on a contract with a RHD they believe replaces him. The only way i see a Necas for Hronek deal happening is if they are getting the rights to Chatfield and have already discussed an extension with him. That's a deal i can get behind....despite the risks involved.

 

[arttk]

That's the part that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Unless they know they can get DeMelo or someone in free agency then there's some logic there. Otherwise you're once again remaking the entire defence.

I do get the idea of targeting Necas as a running mate for Pettersson. Similar to Hronek amplifying Hughes game, if you feel Pettersson and Necas can resonate with each other that gives you two top-6 combos that are extremely effective. Re-sign Joshua (or equivalent) to go with Garland and you've got three effective pairings.

they probably have an idea who they can get in UFA i imagine.. if they execute on the trade, they probably have a followup ready.
this is not Jim "I can only do 1 thing at a time" Benning

 

[Phrasing]

Hronek for Necas is a downgrade and has me worried for the defense that’s already thin.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Don’t know much about Necas but according to a scouting report areas where he needs improvement in is..

Needs to stop on pucks / lock onto his check more responsibly at times.

Needs to forecheck with more determination at times.

Hopefully he’s not a coaster, need a puck retriever to play with EP.

 

[Tact]

I’d rather keep Hronek. Next.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

I’m still skeptical that the team that spent years unsuccessfully trying to trade highly paid 50-60 point wingers for defencemen would trade their only good RD who they just paid an arm and a leg for to get a 50-60 point winger who is about to get paid.

Even if they see Necas as a C he doesn’t seem like a great fit as a third liner or someone who bumps Pettersson to the wing.

Maybe if they get something else out of the deal too there is a fit but then they’d be in a position of needing to find two RDs, not just one.

It’s Necas plus picks/prospects, the picks they can use to move Mikheyev to another team. But is Necas even an upgrade on Hoglander in our top 6? Doesn’t move the needle much, he’s a good middle 6 winger which are a dime a dozen compared to top pairing puck moving RHD.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

I'm not advocating trading for Kotkaniemi but a lot of you are underrating his game. He's developing in to a solid 3C with ability to move up to the top 6 in a pinch if there's injuries.

Don't think the Hurricanes are moving him but if they do he's certainly not a throw in swap for Mikheyev - keep dreaming.

Kotkaniemi still has 6 years left on his contract at almost a $5 mill cap hit for 25-30 points and lacklustre playoff production. He’s a huge long-term gamble.