Post-Game Talk: Canucks lose 2-0; Best player? Empty net

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It's easier sure, but saying it was the right thing to do is very questionable. Yes he needed to change the coaching staff, but he also needed to change the core. And that's where he failed.

OK, let me get this straight. So he "needed to change the coaching staff", but "saying it was the right thing to do is very questionable."

Yes, that makes total sense.

 

[mrmyheadhurts]

Before the game, did Tortarella degrade his own coaching skill and the teams like he did to Booth? Was he a sarcastic ***** about himself too?

Nope, he was pretty sincere and honest in his assessment.

 

[McHortton]

you know what? get bent, john tortorella. you shame the club with an embarassing display - that rightly warranted suspension from the league - and then the very day you get back you heap crap on the players and the management who have been fighting through the most extensive string of injuries in recent memory. your job is to motivate, not to degrade and lay blame on everyone but yourself.

you think the squad's not good enough? well guess what, mate, this team's actually average in the league and there are a dozen squads around with even more paltry make-ups. you aren't going to magic a pile of finesse players into a cap-scraping team just by acting pouty at joey kenward. take some frigging responsibility, generate some respect for the people you work with every day and for god's sake take a red-hot look at yourself again, because apparently 15 days wasn't enough.

Well said. I agree completely. I blame the whole team including Torts , Gillis and every player excluding Lou , Lack and Tanev!

 

[Type Not Specified]

According to some, it was the sole problem - that is the initial comment I have contested.

It was clear a change needed to be made, but it was never a fix all. That's like saying AV was so bad that he shackled a definite contender from contending. No one believed that, let alone it being popular opinion.

I do agree that its easier to make that change.

I misquoted - I was disagreeing with the post you quoted, not yours.

 

[y2kcanucks]

OK, let me get this straight. So he "needed to change the coaching staff", but "saying it was the right thing to do is very questionable."

Yes, that makes total sense.

He needed to make the change, but stopping there and saying that the coaching change was "the re-set" was the right thing to do is just flat out wrong.

 

[NuxFan09]

you know what? get bent, john tortorella. you shame the club with an embarassing display - that rightly warranted suspension from the league - and then the very day you get back you heap crap on the players and the management who have been fighting through the most extensive string of injuries in recent memory. your job is to motivate, not to degrade and lay blame on everyone but yourself.

you think the squad's not good enough? well guess what, mate, this team's actually average in the league and there are a dozen squads around with even more paltry make-ups. you aren't going to magic a pile of finesse players into a cap-scraping team just by acting pouty at joey kenward. take some frigging responsibility, generate some respect for the people you work with every day and for god's sake take a red-hot look at yourself again, because apparently 15 days wasn't enough.

Torts is the only one doing his job to the best of his ability. Why don't you take a good hard look at the team on the ice?

Torts isn't stupid. He knows it's not every day that a coach calls out a team and its GM so harshly to the media, but he probably knows that if he doesn't say it NOBODY is going to say it. He definitely sounds like someone who is all alone in his opinion of his team. If he wasn't, he probably wouldn't have felt it necessary to say what he said publicly.

 

[iFan]

Even Torts is on board for a shakeup, now that's saying something about this core.

 

[PG Canuck]

Even Torts is on board for a shakeup, now that's saying something about this core.

To think, Torts has only watched this decline for half a season too. Try three years.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Sorry for the Tatar knee on Kesler, I hope he sought him out after the game or sends him a text apologizing. That was inexcusable, mistakes happen, but I really do hope he owned up to that one in the appropriate fashion post game.

 

[Lonny Bohonos]

The lack of scoring is absolutely coaching related. I wonder if they will figure things out.

What was the excuse last year? Or the last 40 games the year before? Or in any of the last 3 playoffs?

If you asked this question last year the popular answer was AV.

Was it? I thought he was part of the problem, still do, and the team needed a change, and they did, but I don't think he was blamed as the sole cause. That's a reach on your part.

1) absolutely was the popular opinion.
2) not a reach at all.

According to some, it was the sole problem - that is the initial comment I have contested.

It was clear a change needed to be made, but it was never a fix all. That's like saying AV was so bad that he shackled a definite contender from contending. No one believed that, let alone it being popular opinion.

I do agree that its easier to make that change.

The original comment you were addressing was mine. No where did I make the comment people thought it was the sole reason.

 

[cc]

And again, thank you so much for that. I wasn't sure because you made it seem that pre-game interviews were not to be discussed in the post game thread.

You brought up the fact that Torts didn't take any responsibility for the teams play in his post game comments. I pointed out that Torts did exactly that right before the game, which would probably make repeating himself in the post game a bit redundant.

I love this country.

My comments were related to his post game comments. If you want you can talk about what torts said last week or last month too.

He called the players in his post game comments and he should have mentioned his own and culpability as well IMO. It's one thing to say that he and his coaching staff are partly to blame, but what has he done about it or intends to do about it. He's hardly made any of that clear. He went from saying coaching was just as responsible for the players' play to calling out all his players and suggesting there needs to be a player overhaul and not mentioning coaching at all... So which is it then? I disagree that it's being at all redundant. If he's going to call out all his players like that, he should take some of the blame for it

 

[PRNuck]

So how amazing was Sauve? The MOST amazing?

 

[Hansen]

So how amazing was Sauve? The MOST amazing?

He was so panicky

 

[TheWanderer]

So how amazing was Sauve? The MOST amazing?

Amazing.

 

[canucksfan]

So how amazing was Sauve? The MOST amazing?

Reminded me of Doughty

 

[thepuckmonster]

So how amazing was Sauve? The MOST amazing?

Norris calibre, IMO.

Not Overly Remarkable, Rather Inconsistent & Subpar.

 

[bsjezz]

Torts is the only one doing his job to the best of his ability. Why don't you take a good hard look at the team on the ice.

getting yourself taken out of the picture for 6 consecutive games isn't "the best" of a coach's ability. it's the worst. then when you come back you toss the guys into a blender by the second period, bench stand-out performers for lonely mistakes, and act like a juvenile with its dummy taken out for a one-goal game?

what has torts done that's actually helped this team?

 

[PG Canuck]

Sorry for the Tatar knee on Kesler, I hope he sought him out after the game or sends him a text apologizing. That was inexcusable, mistakes happen, but I really do hope he owned up to that one in the appropriate fashion post game.

You're only sorry because Kesler is playing for Team USA in a few weeks.

 

[Orca Smash]

Man its sad to look at burrows after that broken jaw, oilers fans were telling me at work after watching gagner all season after his jaw injury burrows wont be back this season, I shrugged it off, but he does not look good.

Before the jaw injury he was getting chances just snake bit, now he looks incredibly slow and really struggling to even move the puck.

Henrik must still be injured, was not even taking faceoffs at times. Kind of wish he would just sit out the olympics, but he wont.

 

[VanCanucks53]

Sorry for the Tatar knee on Kesler, I hope he sought him out after the game or sends him a text apologizing. That was inexcusable, mistakes happen, but I really do hope he owned up to that one in the appropriate fashion post game.

Yeah seemed out of character for him. But don't worry, I'm sure Kesler will be all healthy for team USA

 

[mrmyheadhurts]

My comments were related to his post game comments. If you want, we can talk about what torts said last week or last month too.

He called the players in his post game comments and he should have mentioned his own and culpability as well IMO. It's one thing to say that he and his coaching staff are partly to blame, but what has he done about it or intends to do about it. He's hardly made any of that clear. He went from saying coaching was just as responsible for the players' play to calling out all his players and suggesting there needs to be a player overhaul and not mentioning coaching at all... So which is it then? I disagree that it's being at all redundant. If he's going to call out all his players like that, he should take some of the blame for it

I don't think that's very common or realistic to expect from a head coach. How many coaches even say what Torts said pre-game at any point in a season? He is a thousand times more accountable than AV. Also, Torts is only going to answer the questions asked, did anyone one ask him if the coaches should take any blame for tonight's loss?

 

[Lonny Bohonos]

So how amazing was Sauve? The MOST amazing?

He was amazing at quashing any doubts I had that he might just maybe possibly be an NHLer one day.

 

[iFan]

getting yourself taken out of the picture for 6 consecutive games isn't "the best" of a coach's ability. it's the worst. then when you come back you toss the guys into a blender by the second period, bench stand-out performers for lonely mistakes, and act like a juvenile with its dummy taken out for a one-goal game?

what has torts done that's actually helped this team?

Depends how you look at it, with those 6 games Torts got to see what us fans are seeing and now even he is saying things need to change here, that's worth the suspension

 

[NuxFan09]

getting yourself taken out of the picture for 6 consecutive games isn't "the best" of a coach's ability. it's the worst. then when you come back you toss the guys into a blender by the second period, bench stand-out performers for lonely mistakes, and act like a juvenile with its dummy taken out for a one-goal game?

what has torts done that's actually helped this team?

He had this team playing the way we all wanted them to play earlier in the season. When they stop playing like that, it doesn't mean the coach just stopped coaching. It's on the team, for whatever reason. Injuries is a big part of it, no doubt, but on the other hand a lot of us said before this season even started that this team isn't very good. Besides keeping his temper in check from now on, there is nothing more you can put on the coach.

 

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Daniel is on pace for just 18 goals and 57 points.

Wow.

10 years ago that was considered a breakout season. I miss those days.