Speculation: Canucks Elias Pettersson on the move? Nucks GM speaks out

[Peter Griffin]

One thing other fans either don’t know or don’t want to accept is that even with Pettersson’s offensive struggles, his commitment to defense has still been solid. This isn’t a Huberdeau or Zibanejad situation where he’s completely checked out.

 

[qc14]

Pettersson for Cozens + Byram is such a no-brainer for Buffalo

 

[GordonGraham]

Montreal has a lot of picks, prospect and young players on decent deals

 

[StlBigFly]

Petterson Thompson would be a very difficult to handle pair of centers.

You really can’t just try to outscore them. You’d have to shut down both, just shutting down 1 wouldn’t be good enough.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I think Pettersson will get similar to what Buffalo got for Eichel, a low return. One solid roster player and a younger one with some potential.

Possibly but that's a tough one to pull off in this situation when Vancouver is looking to compete and fill specific spots that the Eichel deal wouldn't have addressed. They want a center and a top four defenseman that can help them now. Tuch and Krebs wouldn't be ideal types of players Vancouver would be looking for in return.

Well, for one I think Buffalo would jump at a Cozens/Byram for Pettersson swap and I’d much prefer a package involving those two than what you offered.

Buffalo would be making a pretty huge mistake to jump at such a deal when the likelihood of anyone having a 2C and a top four D available is slim for Pettersson. And Byram is their #2 right now. No chance Vancouver gets that sort of deal for Pettersson.

 

[NyQuil]

Handicapping where I think he would go if he were traded, order of likelihood: (I’m an idiot so it’ll be somewhere else)

1. Calgary or Ottawa

Canada keeps the deal to itself: with contracts being specialized for the location they’re signed it becomes efficient for places with similar conditions to deal between themselves.

Ottawa is tricky in order to fit his large contract into the cap structure.

A similarly risky contract like Josh Norris, freshly recovered from his shoulder issues, and who is also a C and making a significant chunk of change ($8M) would have to go the other way.

Something like Zub and Norris ($12.6M) would address the positional needs and balance out the risk.

But I suspect the Canucks fans here would laugh at the indignity of it and demand Brady Tkachuk or something which would never happen.

 

[Crow]

Hawks don’t have a good youngish NHLer worth something in the neighborhood of Peterson so I don’t see it happening.

Hawks have Bedard and Vlassic aren’t trading either.

He will be headed elsewhere. I’d bet on it

 

[Beerz]

Possibly but that's a tough one to pull off in this situation when Vancouver is looking to compete and fill specific spots that the Eichel deal wouldn't have addressed. They want a center and a top four defenseman that can help them now. Tuch and Krebs wouldn't be ideal types of players Vancouver would be looking for in return.

Buffalo would be making a pretty huge mistake to jump at such a deal when the likelihood of anyone having a 2C and a top four D available is slim for Pettersson. And Byram is their #2 right now. No chance Vancouver gets that sort of deal for Pettersson.

 

[DJJones]

Any offer someone makes I assume Calgary would beat it. Assuming they're willing to trade with us

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

What about Pettersson for Rantanen?

Colorado gets Pettersson locked on at a cap hit that Rantanen won't sign for. Rantanen may not re-sign in Vancouver, but they get the inside track to sign him and otherwise get him as a rental.

This is assuming there is no blow away package for Pettersson given the difficulties of moving that contract in season, and the likelihood that Vancouver dealing from a position of weakness hurts his trade value.

 

[Nucker42]

that's about what i thought the reaction would be. would Perreault instead of the 2nd get it done? Rangers forum thinks that would be too much.

Perreault definitely a more respectable offer. He has more value than a 1st. The key really is getting a legit centre back or assets to get one.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Pettersson has 24pts in 30gp, including last years poor performance due to that knee ailment.

He was very good when we beat the cup champ Blues & took Vegas to game 7 in round 2 in 2020 being over a new ppg 200ft Center

So you say it's cool to pay $11.6M/year to a player who was great 4 years ago?

Oh and has he been playing injured this season?

 

[qc14]

What about Pettersson for Rantanen?

Colorado gets Pettersson locked on at a cap hit that Rantanen won't sign for. Rantanen may not re-sign in Vancouver, but they get the inside track to sign him and otherwise get him as a rental.

This is assuming there is no blow away package for Pettersson given the difficulties of moving that contract in season, and the likelihood that Vancouver dealing from a position of weakness hurts his trade value.

While I like the idea this significantly lowers Colorado's ceiling this season and you have to think they'll be able to get a deal done unless he's asking for like $15M a year

 

[Peter Griffin]

Buffalo would be making a pretty huge mistake to jump at such a deal when the likelihood of anyone having a 2C and a top four D available is slim for Pettersson. And Byram is their #2 right now. No chance Vancouver gets that sort of deal for Pettersson.

Yea ok you’ve convinced me. They’ll surely accept your trash offer.

BTW, there’s nothing to indicate Vancouver would only accept a return of a top 6 center and top 4 defender, that’s simply what they would be seeking in return.

 

[Wayward Son]

What about Pettersson for Rantanen?

Colorado gets Pettersson locked on at a cap hit that Rantanen won't sign for. Rantanen may not re-sign in Vancouver, but they get the inside track to sign him and otherwise get him as a rental.

This is assuming there is no blow away package for Pettersson given the difficulties of moving that contract in season, and the likelihood that Vancouver dealing from a position of weakness hurts his trade value.

I don't think Vancouver/Colorado are good trading partners. We need another dman very desperately.

 

[JKG33]

I don't see why people keep bringing Eichel up. Eichel was a great player, signed to a more than fair cap hit, who wanted out of one of the worst run franchises in pro sports.

EP has maybe one season in his career where he'd be worth his overinflated cap hit, and wants out of a team that's a borderline cup contender because Miller (one of the best players in the league) is a big meanie.

I can't see well run teams like Dallas (who should be trying to get out of Robertson while he still has some value, not adding another softie), Carolina, St. Louis, having any interest. It'll be a shit for brains team like Buffalo or Anaheim. And the return for Vancouver won't be significant assets, it'll be the value of using that cap space on players that actually pull their own weight come playoff time.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Petersson for Svechnikov + Morrow + 1st

 

[JKG33]

What about Pettersson for Rantanen?

Colorado gets Pettersson locked on at a cap hit that Rantanen won't sign for. Rantanen may not re-sign in Vancouver, but they get the inside track to sign him and otherwise get him as a rental.

This is assuming there is no blow away package for Pettersson given the difficulties of moving that contract in season, and the likelihood that Vancouver dealing from a position of weakness hurts his trade value.

Why would Colorado do that? Just pay Rantanen whatever he's worth instead of an overpayed malcontent. EP's contract is not a positive

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Yea ok you’ve convinced me. They’ll surely accept your trash offer.

BTW, there’s nothing to indicate Vancouver would only accept a return of a top 6 center and top 4 defender, that’s simply what they would be seeking in return.

I never offered anything. Stop being so sensitive. When nobody comes around offering a top six center and a top four defender, you'll have to figure out what you'll then take for Pettersson if anything. You may just decide to keep him at that point but you're fooling yourself if you think a Pettersson deal with the impending NMC is going to look any different than an Eichel or Karlsson or Subban trade where they get what they can to get out from under it instead of committing themselves to a player at that rate that they're not bought into.

 

[ploppsdman]

The only way I see Chicago being involved is as a middleman.

I wonder if Byram + Kulich/Quinn would work. Maybe add a second rounder but that could be an ok framework.

Petterssons contract isn’t an easy thing to trade. I wouldn’t expect the moon.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Why would Colorado do that? Just pay Rantanen whatever he's worth instead of an overpayed malcontent. EP's contract is not a positive

To be clear, it is contingent on Colorado feeling that re-signing Rantanen isn't likely. They downgrade, but they also get a superstar locked in for 7 more seasons.

For Vancouver, the packages for Pettersson would have to be unspectacular, as they likely are given the context of selling low in season when an 11.6M cap hit is difficult to move. So getting a franchise player back, even as a rental, that's a good result. Not to mention the value of getting on the inside track to signing him next season.

 

[JKG33]

Buffalo would be making a pretty huge mistake to jump at such a deal when the likelihood of anyone having a 2C and a top four D available is slim for Pettersson. And Byram is their #2 right now. No chance Vancouver gets that sort of deal for Pettersson.

Yea, Byram and Cozens would be a take it and run kinda deal for Vancouver. Instantly makes them a much better team

 

[WTFMAN99]

You need a team that needs a 1C and believes Pettersson is one to trade their 2C in the same deal.

 

[Peter Griffin]

I never offered anything. Stop being so sensitive. When nobody comes around offering a top six center and a top four defender, you'll have to figure out what you'll then take for Pettersson if anything. You may just decide to keep him at that point but you're fooling yourself if you think a Pettersson deal with the impending NMC is going to look any different than an Eichel or Karlsson or Subban trade where they get what they can to get out from under it instead of committing themselves to a player at that rate that they're not bought into.

Who’s being sensitive? I’m laughing at your logic comparing your valuation of a package based around Mikael Granlund and Mario Ferraro/Jake Walman being anywhere near comparable value to the players you listed above. At least try to offer a young, top 6 forward or top 4 d-man that would be somewhat desirable. Literally every other offer in this thread includes that except for yours.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Who’s being sensitive? I’m laughing at your logic comparing your valuation of a package based around Mikael Granlund and Mario Ferraro/Jake Walman being anywhere near comparable value to the players you listed above. At least try to offer a young, top 6 forward or top 4 d-man that would be somewhat desirable. Literally every other offer in this thread includes that except for yours.

You are when you lash out with assumptions and insults. That's not the kind of deal that the Sharks would actually provide you. The Sharks would provide you value in movable assets to get guys you'd want to target. You can't guarantee a team has any of what you'd be looking for and a willingness to take that contract. That's the economic realities of the NHL.