GDT: Quarter Finals: Canada vs Czechia; Jan. 2, 2025; 19:30 EST

Dr Pepper

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There are fans from every country that do this and you know it hanji, please.

You can't have been a regular poster of this board for as long as you have and not know that. You make it sound like being pissy after a loss, ref complaining, and bitching about roster selection and coaching is some specific Canadian fan disease.

You know better man.

I think when Canada enters the tournament every single year as the projected favourite, with a trophy cupboard filled to the brim with past success and the TSN pundits pumping the team's tires all year leading up to it, anything short of gold is seen as a failure to the fans that get suckered in by the hype.

And since this tourney's bigger in Canada than it is anywhere else, there are more fans and therefore louder fan reactions after every loss.

Comes with the territory of being the so-called "top dogs".
 

jj cale

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I think when Canada enters the tournament every single year as the projected favourite, with a trophy cupboard filled to the brim with past success and the TSN pundits pumping the team's tires all year leading up to it, anything short of gold is seen as a failure to the fans that get suckered in by the hype.

And since this tourney's bigger in Canada than it is anywhere else, there are more fans and therefore louder fan reactions after every loss.

Comes with the territory of being the so-called "top dogs".
You would think any rational person would understand this, but rationality is in short supply on HF.

Which I guess is to be expected in Nationalistic dick measuring contests.
 

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What attitude would that be? Because it certainly isn't entitlement on my part,

like I said...don't get too upset. I don't want to hear any moaning and crying when that goes down...........and of course it's going to go down sooner or later.

Even if we combine the 3 teams that will eventually lose, the moaning and crying won’t reach Canadian levels.
 

jj cale

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Even if we combine the 3 teams that will eventually lose, the moaning and crying won’t reach Canadian levels.
For starters the combined amount of fans you have doesn't add up to Canada's here.


But bitch moan and cry when you lose is guaranteed from every fan base here. don't even bother trying to bullshit me on this, I know better.
 
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Take it as a compliment.

Thats how you know you’re the big dog.

Try again next year. Hopefully we learn from the experience.
Canada is the big dog, no question. But Canada has also always been the big goon. Thats starting to change where Canada is sending more likable teams and not trying to run goalies and cause injuries etc. But, all the vitriol is because of how hockey Canada is and has been. But, like I said, I do believe things are changing and not just with the team but also fans.
 
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As a Canadian who was rooting for Czechia because this team is just completely unlikable, top to bottom, this is a comment that makes no sense to me.

Who are fans supposed to blame, exactly? lol The refs were bad, but I don't think that's the reason Canada lost. IIHF reffing Is usually bad. Anyone who has ever watched an IIHF event knows this, including every player on the team who grew up watching this tournament. They should know better, especially since they had already been burned several times earlier in the tournament with undisciplined, bone headed plays.

Which leads me to my next point - the players. Not only were they incredibly stupid and bone headed in the discipline department, they were completely inept in terms of actually playing up to their skill level. Yes, Canada didn't field their best roster and Hockey Canada's poor decisions usually have detrimental consequences on the outcome for the team, but even with a poor roster, Canada should not be losing to Latvia, under any circumstance. They scored two more goals than Kazakhstan in the round robin. Do you really think that Kazakhstan has caught up to Canada in terms of developing forwards in ice hockey?

Lastly, the coaching. It was atrocious. Dave Cameron is one of the worst coaches in junior hockey and the reasons why were on full display throughout the tournament. Very stubborn and slow to make changes. The PP was atrociously bad from day one (even during the pre-tournament) and it took him halfway through the round robin to make any sort of personal change. Yes, that's only two games where the results count, but this is a 7 game tournament, not an 82 game NHL season. You have to make changes quickly if the results aren't there. His deployment of players, like playing Bonk on as a PPQB, which isn't a role he does for his regular junior team, is completely baffling. Not giving McKenna enough ice time, even though was one of the few forwards generating any sort of offensive output when he was on the ice. His complete lack of emotion behind the bench. His refusal to bench players who refused to stop taking dumb penalties. I could go on and on, but you get the point. Cameron sucks.

So yes, the refs were bad, the players performed poorly and the coaching was atrocious. Combine the three and this is the result you get. It's absolutely true that other countries are catching up. No sane person would ever deny this. And that's a good thing. Makes the tournament more intense and interesting. But to pretend like this team and result is indicative of where Canada stands currently in terms of player development as a nation is laughable.
The refs weren't bad, they're just not afraid to call penalties at any time during the match.

Much better than NHL refs by far.
 
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Nobody’s talking about you specifically, just Canadian fans in general.

How many Canadians in this thread are congratulating the Czechs? Very very few.

How many are finding excuses for the loss (coach, penalties, player selection, etc)? This thread is permiating with it. Even TSN is full of it.
Perhaps Canada loses not because of what you didn’t do, but because of what the opponent does.
But, no, that’s never it.

This thread is quite indicative of the self-centered, entitled and unsportsmanlike behavior many dislike about Canadian Hockey, and why many revel in a Canada loss.

I'm not Canadian but I think we can all agree that Czechia was ready to play from the get go while Canada was not. Also, Canada was lacking discipline all tournament long and I think their special teams were underwhelming, too. All signs pointing towards a poorly coached team so I think you have to be allowed to say the truth.

I'm with you re the whining about the refs though. I thought they did an okayish job and even if you disagree with that assessment they weren't the reason why Canada lost. Not the refs fault Canada only got going midway through an elimination game. Yet still Canadians were filling page after page bitching because of refing. Certainly too much for my liking even though it was kinda funny.
 
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Canada used to be adaptable in hockey terms because their best would adapt to being solid in other areas - subsume scoring roles to be checkers, to be shot blockers, while still having skill guys. Canada taught to the test if I can borrow a US educational adage and didn't take their best skilled people. They tried to achieve an outcome without the proper skills.

And the lack of practice time blows my mind. Lack of discipline and then tonight looking like half the game was just a disjointed warm up? What the hell. That's embarrassing for Hockey Canada.
It was just a stupid team to take. Defense can be taught, scoring cannot, you either have offensive skill or you don't This was 100% hubris by Hockey Canada and the outcome was telegraphed in early December, almost everybody caught on to it, from podcasts, the media and the HF roster selection thread for team Canada. I don't think any predicted how bad it would be, with only 1 player scoring more than 1 goal.
 

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1. The refs were bad because the calls weren't in Canada's favor. No one would be saying a word about this if the calls were in Canada's favor. Blaming the refs is an embarrassing scapegoat. Canada should have been schooled on IIHF rules prior to the tournament, I don't know what to tell you. But no other team is having issues with it.

2. So, was the reffing bad or was Canada taking dumb penalties? You just contradicted yourself. Other than that, I agree the players never seemed to learn or adapt, zero chemistry, zero accountability. This team was stock full of ego.

3. Its such a short tournament that coaching means so little. I think the only boneheaded decision he made was the cancelling of practices. You can make all the changes in the world and this Canada team wasn't going to win. Top to bottom, there was not one player who looked remotely good for Canada. McKenna looked like a deer in headlights on Czech's 3rd goal.

Other countries are catching up and its hard for a majority of people here to accept that. USA beats this Canada team 8/10 times, what does that tell you
Agreed, Ref's who cares, you get some calls, you dont get some calls, non factor imo.

Are other countries "catching up"? You're using this super narrow lens of one or two junior tournaments as your guiding light to your argument. Sweden, Finland, Russia, USA have always been right up there near Canada, no one is arguing this are they? But do you really think in your heart of hearts that Latvia, Germany, Switzerland, are "catching up? Get real.

Canada still dominates the draft, by a large margin, and a ton of European players drafted high play in the CHL, lol. If you took top players in world (regardless of age) from Canada vs Czechia, Canada would absolutely destroy them.

I think that Hockey Canada needs to take a long look in the mirror in how they approach IIHF tournaments Junior and Senior. This was a debacle for Canada no doubt, but to say all these countries are on par or better than Canada now, cause of one or two tournaments? Cmon Man.
 
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well, I just rewatched the game. The refs were fine. Canadians got away with a few. Each side got an embellishment. Not being able to adapt to refs or rulesets is a sign of mental deficiency. Blaming refs is a sign of character deficiency.

By the way - one of the Czechs booted an airborne puck out of the zone from the slot with his left boot while skating kinda in the wrong direction. Anyone see that? One of the most unusually impressive things ive seen.
 

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well, I just rewatched the game. The refs were fine. Canadians got away with a few. Each side got an embellishment. Not being able to adapt to refs or rulesets is a sign of mental deficiency. Blaming refs is a sign of character deficiency.

By the way - one of the Czechs booted an airborne puck out of the zone from the slot with his left boot while skating kinda in the wrong direction. Anyone see that? One of the most unusually impressive things ive seen.
Not ever blaming refs is a disconnect from everything outside hockey. Mistakes happen.
 

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Link to your elite prospects page please

Keep in mind I said closer not close lol

Are you bragging about getting cut from a team? lol
lol I was never close to the WJC, I said I was closer than him. Meaning I played for Portland. Are you really gonna talk down to someone who would get cut from the WJC Canada team though? That’s a bold choice.
 

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