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Can't decide if Tripp is finally on everyone's (especially mine) last nerve, or if he's just been especially obnoxious this year.

His wholesale koolaid drinking front office rhetoric borrowing garbage has been particularly grating in regards to Semin. I'm not usually bothered by Tripp, and despite frequent cringeworthy moments during play, he can bring some insight when he doesn't have his head up his ass. You can't be around hockey as long as he has and not pick up something, but it's disappointing when he speaks like JR is sitting behind him.
 

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I don't know why, but that's about the funniest thing I've seen all day :laugh:
 

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Random thoughts, mostly from the game, but not entirely:

-- Maybe Alex Semin's wrist really was bothering him. And maybe it took a while to get dialed in. Nah, I'm sure his resurgence is all on JR. Tlusty's too.

-- Tripp talks entirely too much. It's not just that he's an idiot, it's that he's an idiot who likes the sound of his own voice (i.e. the worst kind of idiot).

-- For the first time in a long time, I haven't had issue with the Canes' effort the vast majority of this season. They're still not good, especially on special teams, but I've rarely thought it was the result of lack of effort, unlike many seasons in the past seven or so.

-- Would Andrej Sekera have improved this much if Joni Pitkanen was healthy? I'm not Joni's biggest fan, obviously, but I still think his injury has been a blessing in disguise. I just didn't like his particular skill set on this team. I think the mix on D is as good this year as it has been in a long, long time.

-- Olli Maata should be Rookie of the Year, but he won't win.

-- I think Khudobin is getting a pass right now because everyone realizes he's completely gassed, and no matter how he plays, he still clearly gives us the best chance to win. We really have to suck it up and let Peters/Ward take a game here and there or we'll lose Dobby.

-- The Pens just killed a huge 5-on-3 disadvantage late in the third and held off the Islanders. I miss Brandon Sutter. Don't miss Craig Adams.
 

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His wholesale koolaid drinking front office rhetoric borrowing garbage has been particularly grating in regards to Semin. I'm not usually bothered by Tripp, and despite frequent cringeworthy moments during play, he can bring some insight when he doesn't have his head up his ass. You can't be around hockey as long as he has and not pick up something, but it's disappointing when he speaks like JR is sitting behind him.

Pretty much, yeah. Disappointing is what I'd use to describe it.
 

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Random thoughts, mostly from the game, but not entirely:

-- I think Khudobin is getting a pass right now because everyone realizes he's completely gassed, and no matter how he plays, he still clearly gives us the best chance to win. We really have to suck it up and let Peters/Ward take a game here and there or we'll lose Dobby.

I hate when people quote themselves, but I just had another thought on Khudobin. I know we're hoping for an extension in the range of $2.5-3 million for a few seasons, but don't we owe him a few bucks for keeping us afloat this season for $800K? If he gets two years, $8 million and we think about it as three years, $8.8 million, isn't that pretty reasonable? I mean, I know he negotiated his salary and he should play for what he's being paid, but I don't think that's a bad way to think about it.
 

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who wants to bet that when semin stops scoring on 35% of his shots that we will hear more made up ******** about him going back to playing an east-west game? somebody explain to me how semin skating into the zone and using a defenseman as a screen for a wrister is different than anything he's been doing all year. wasn't it just a few games ago when tripp was criticizing semin for *not* dumping the puck in such situations? now him scoring goals while ignoring such advice is evidence that the advice is correct. interesting.

basically, semin went from scoring 6 goals on 100 shots to scoring 6 goals on 17 shots and the confirmation bias people are pretending there has been some sort of significant change stylistically in his game that has produced these results.
 

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Compared to Philly and buffalo, having Tripp chiming in with insights and stories is very nice when you realize how bland a broadcast is without him doing so.

He gets a little repetitive sometimes, but often, you see his message reflected in the fan base and even on this forum. So the point he's making are getting through, which is probably for the best with a marginally informed audience.

His clarification on east-west vs north-south, and the difference between lazy and Russian style of play is important for the franchise coming off from JRs statements about Semin, in my opinion.
 

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who wants to bet that when semin stops scoring on 35% of his shots that we will hear more made up ******** about him going back to playing an east-west game? somebody explain to me how semin skating into the zone and using a defenseman as a screen for a wrister is different than anything he's been doing all year. wasn't it just a few games ago when tripp was criticizing semin for *not* dumping the puck in such situations? now him scoring goals while ignoring such advice is evidence that the advice is correct. interesting.

basically, semin went from scoring 6 goals on 100 shots to scoring 6 goals on 17 shots and the confirmation bias people are pretending there has been some sort of significant change stylistically in his game that has produced these results.

His game has been much more direct. How many button hooks have we seen from him in the last few games.
 

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two of semin's goals in this stretch have come off blatant cherrypicking, leaving the zone while there was still a battle for the puck. is that what people want to see? is that the "north-south" game he's supposed to play? help me out.
 

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Re: Semin. I really couldn't care less for the reason for why he wasn't scoring before but he is now. I honestly just care about results. This isn't rec hockey were everyone get's a participation medal because they try hard or made nice plays but were unlucky. He's getting paid $7M to be a scoring top line winger...and he wasn't scoring, plain and simple. He was on a 40 point pace half way through the season which is just barely above Chad LaRose type output.

Whether it's because of the Olympic Snub, JR's comments, law of averages,better luck, getting healthy or whatever the reason, I don't care, as long as he's starting to produce. I realize he won't keep on this torrid pace, but hopefully he find a happy medium between 6 goals in 34 games and where he is now.
 

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It'd be funny if Semin was actually playing East-West while playing "North-South."
 

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two of semin's goals in this stretch have come off blatant cherrypicking, leaving the zone while there was still a battle for the puck. is that what people want to see? is that the "north-south" game he's supposed to play? help me out.

It's so true. The goal where he used the defender as a screen he was *literally* standing at the opposing blueline during a puck battle that Staal won in the neutral zone and kicked it out to him. On the shorthanded goal, he blocked a shot and perhaps did a little bit of shaky leg behind the play and then mysteriously recovered when Staal, again, won a battle and kicked the puck out to him. The first goal tonight he just weaved in and out of defenders with an empty cage behind him and ripped one. These are all things that Semin has done with frequency this year and have nothing to do with North-South or East-West or whatever the hell that JR and Tripp are on about.
 

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It's so true. The goal where he used the defender as a screen he was *literally* standing at the opposing blueline during a puck battle that Staal won in the neutral zone and kicked it out to him. On the shorthanded goal, he blocked a shot and perhaps did a little bit of shaky leg behind the play and then mysteriously recovered when Staal, again, won a battle and kicked the puck out to him. The first goal tonight he just weaved in and out of defenders with an empty cage behind him and ripped one. These are all things that Semin has done with frequency this year and have nothing to do with North-South or East-West or whatever the hell that JR and Tripp are on about.

He's finding holes that he wasn't finding before. I don't care what's behind it, I just want it to continue. Whatever he's doing *now*, keep doing it.

It's pretty funny that one would completely deny even a small change in play, though.
 

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A large portion of the results are likely coincidental, and using the goal numbers as 'proof' is a touch silly. But it doesn't change that his style of play has been much more direct. No pulling up or button hooking, or various other Samsonav type stuff. It's all moving towards the net now.

I think it's led to better possession time for the line, also. I'd like to have heard the private discussion with Muller that coincided with JRs comments. I wonder if some of it was 'enough trying to thread passes cross ice, and focus on generating your own scoring opportunities.'
 

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two of semin's goals in this stretch have come off blatant cherrypicking, leaving the zone while there was still a battle for the puck. is that what people want to see? is that the "north-south" game he's supposed to play? help me out.

Oh really ? Are we watching the same game ? Because I didn't see any cherrypicking :shakehead
 

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Re: Semin. I really couldn't care less for the reason for why he wasn't scoring before but he is now. I honestly just care about results. This isn't rec hockey were everyone get's a participation medal because they try hard or made nice plays but were unlucky. He's getting paid $7M to be a scoring top line winger...and he wasn't scoring, plain and simple. He was on a 40 point pace half way through the season which is just barely above Chad LaRose type output.

Whether it's because of the Olympic Snub, JR's comments, law of averages,better luck, getting healthy or whatever the reason, I don't care, as long as he's starting to produce. I realize he won't keep on this torrid pace, but hopefully he find a happy medium between 6 goals in 34 games and where he is now.

Pretty much this. Who cares why it's happening?
 

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Can't decide if Tripp is finally on everyone's (especially mine) last nerve, or if he's just been especially obnoxious this year.

Probably a little bit of both. Tripp says nothing about North-South Hockey til Jr's diatribe and now it's ALL Tripp talks about.

And Timeouts on every icing.

If he wasn't such a team shill, I'd almost expect to be fired.

We also have a valley girl for a sideline reporter.
 

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Unless I'm missing the sarcasm, no, it doesn't.

Theoretically speaking, the Sabres could win out the remainder of the season and finish with 99 points (I believe).

Sorry, I must have been looking at the numbers wrong...but this did take them down to 0.0% chance of making the playoffs on SCS.
 

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He's finding holes that he wasn't finding before. I don't care what's behind it, I just want it to continue. Whatever he's doing *now*, keep doing it.

It's pretty funny that one would completely deny even a small change in play, though.

If you can tell me what you're seeing that's different, I would be happy to hear it.
 

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If you can tell me what you're seeing that's different, I would be happy to hear it.

Well, I can't speak for Sens, but for me, I think Wally touched on it earlier. There seems to be a stylistic difference in how he enters the zone and plays in the offensive zone lately.

In the past, he'd enter the zone or get the puck and button hook or attempt to maneuver around defenders, often times looking for an open teammate to pass to, eventually leading him to either force an ill-advised pass or skate himself into a poor scoring chance.

Lately, he's been much more direct. He gets the puck and it's heading toward the net, either with him firing quickly or his "north-south" game up the ice. It's not on his stick long and the random Samsonov-esque strolls around the offensive zone seem to have lessened.

And just doing a quick skim of the numbers over the past couple games compared to the games a couple weeks ago, he seems to be shooting the puck more and getting more pucks through. More shot attempts and more shots hitting the net rather than missing high/wide or getting blocked.
 

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Well, I can't speak for Sens, but for me, I think Wally touched on it earlier. There seems to be a stylistic difference in how he enters the zone and plays in the offensive zone lately.

In the past, he'd enter the zone or get the puck and button hook or attempt to maneuver around defenders, often times looking for an open teammate to pass to, eventually leading him to either force an ill-advised pass or skate himself into a poor scoring chance.

Lately, he's been much more direct. He gets the puck and it's heading toward the net, either with him firing quickly or his "north-south" game up the ice. It's not on his stick long and the random Samsonov-esque strolls around the offensive zone seem to have lessened.

And just doing a quick skim of the numbers over the past couple games compared to the games a couple weeks ago, he seems to be shooting the puck more and getting more pucks through. More shot attempts and more shots hitting the net rather than missing high/wide or getting blocked.

Regarding the point about how he's taking direct lines to the net now, I can't say that I have seen the same thing. For example, if you'll watch the first goal that Buffalo scored tonight you'll notice a few things that AJJ alluded to earlier, and that I outlined in my post, about Semin's habits.

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=2013020759-85-ingame-h

1. He has his back to goal and is curling back towards the neutral zone. He passes the puck so hard that Tlusty can't field it properly. Part of a cycle, yes, but a dangerous pass and an "east-west" play as the puck is not moving towards the opposition net.

2. Watch Semin's skates and notice the direction that would be natural for him to skate when the puck is turned over and where he ends up when the goal is scored.

3. By virtue of his skating and Tlusty coming down, Semin became the F3 on this play. Instead of backchecking to be safe, he assumes that Harrison is going to be able to get there and chip the puck back up the boards to where Semin is literally standing and waiting. As the F3. Standing and waiting. I didn't notice this during the broadcast as most of us were rightly focused on Harrison for falling down, but Semin's job there is to support the reload and most importantly, backcheck. As the high forward, there is zero reason he shouldn't be over the half ice line when the puck enters the net. His momentum alone would have given him a chance to break up that play had he not stopped skating.


Yes, this is only one play. I understand that. But I can't rightly pull up every example of Semin playing the way he has all year without it being part of a scoring play and have it available for everyone to see. Unfortunately, we're limited in that aspect. But Semin's shooting percentage has been unsustainable, just as Skinner's was during his streak. It's not that Skinner has stopped playing hard, it's just that at some point the results are going to stop coming. What gets you through those times is not better shots, but better outcomes. You grind through. You wait for the better outcomes to arrive. You don't modify your game. You don't change things up that have worked for you, especially as a veteran, when you know those things will make you successful. Semin is getting better outcomes, and I fear when those outcomes start falling more infrequently that people will attribute it to some kind of "let up" on his part.
 
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And just doing a quick skim of the numbers over the past couple games compared to the games a couple weeks ago, he seems to be shooting the puck more and getting more pucks through. More shot attempts and more shots hitting the net rather than missing high/wide or getting blocked.
yeah, not really. he had an 8 shot game, then down to 5, 1, and 3 (and over the last "couple games" he's scored 3 goals on 4 shots). he's taken a lot of shots and shot attempts all season. he had an 8-game stretch recently where he took more shots on goal per game as he has in this stretch.

you don't go from scoring 6 goals on 100 shots to scoring 6 goals on 17 shots because you are "shooting more". it does not make sense.
 

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