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HabbyGuy said:
Not once. Try again.
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Schooner Guy said:
You're the only one downplaying a prospect's ceiling by claiming Leonard doesn't have PPG upside. I only brought up Pavelski because he never ever put up a PPG season in his lengthy and terrific career.

Now you're saying Pavelski is one of the best players of the modern era even though he didn't reach your very own PPG benchmark of success. :laugh: You're all over the map.
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I think most would consider Pavelski with pretty much the same reverence as they would a PPG player. Much like Patrice Bergeron.

“PPG” is a placeholder for ‘elite forward’. Elite forwards produce, they are generally good playmakers (more commonly — goal scorers go through dry patches, playmakers tend not to), and they are consistently reliable.

Smith was The Guy on their line. It is clear as day. He was the one who made the killer plays and he was the one who opponents game-planned against.

Michkov is in the same mold.

I think it’s rather obvious which sort of player would benefit the Habs more and more quickly end the rebuild era.
 
Milhouse40 said:
Yep.

Rare real 2-way winger that score almost a goal per game everywhere last season in the minor, that can hit like truck and play with an edge with a game that will translate very well in the NHL........really sucks, right?

Teams are craving for that type of player, especially when the PO comes, and he's the flavor of the year cause if there's a Tkachuk type of player in the top 10, it's Leonard.

You don't who is BPA, you think you know but in the end games, no one knows......especially us Fans.
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He won’t score GPG in the NHL, he won’t be able to hit like a truck in the NHL, and he won’t be able to play with an edge constantly and consistently in the NHL.

In my opinion, these are among the worst reasons to project success for a prospect.

He scores goals but how does he do that?

He forechecks, is he always the same F on the forecheck, does he show intuition and ability to readjust?

How does he use his body?

Etc.

So far the discussion has been more about the player he is rather than what he could translate to the NHL.
 
montreal said:
he's listed at 6'0, he won't need to get to 220 but around 210 should be fine or maybe even a little less depending on lower body strength.

I didn't say anything about Marchand though, I never thought of him to be honest but when I was watching the USNDTP this year I was mostly focused on Smith I guess since he stood out more.
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Whomever they pick, they have to be right. If Michkov is taken top 4 then the choice appears easy. I'm uneasy about passing on Michkov but if they do Leonard may better than anyone left and I think I feel better about him than Reinbacher.
 
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ReHabs said:
He won’t score GPG in the NHL, he won’t be able to hit like a truck in the NHL, and he won’t be able to play with an edge constantly and consistently in the NHL.

In my opinion, these are among the worst reasons to project success for a prospect.

He scores goals but how does he do that?

He forechecks, is he always the same F on the forecheck, does he show intuition and ability to readjust?

How does he use his body?

Etc.

So far the discussion has been more about the player he is rather than what he could translate to the NHL.
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Well, I wrote multiple time he has the game that eill translate well in the NHL exactly because the way he is playing the game and use his body to always take the jnside lane.

Funny you dont ask those question about Michkov as you didnt see him play for 2 years against à skill level compare to other.....but you still pretend he will production as he did 2 years ago at u18.
 
Milhouse40 said:
Well, I wrote multiple time he has the game that eill translate well in the NHL exactly because the way he is playing the game and use his body to always take the jnside lane.

Funny you dont ask those question about Michkov as you didnt see him play for 2 years against à skill level compare to other.....but you still pretend he will production as he did 2 years ago at u18.
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Michkov faces much tougher opposition than Leonard. It’s not comparable. Michkov’s numbers in KHL are correlated to a number of incredible NHL players.
 
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HabsWhiteKnightLOL said:
There is absolutely no way Leonard is picked between 2-4. That would be enough to fire a GM on the spot
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Man the way people here talk with certainty on subject full of variances and speculation...

There is absolutely a possibility that Leonard is picked above Smith and Michkov.

There is also a possibility that Smith is picked above Fantilli or Carlsson.

There is absolutely a possibility that Leonard or Dvorsky ends up the most valuable player in this draft after Bedard. There is also the possibility that Fantilli or Carlsson bust or ends up middle sixer.

Drafting Leonard 2-4 is not an on-the-spot fireable offense.

How you feel and projects now about those players is nothing more than a guess about the outcomes of these players. Go beyond your personal preference.
 
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Belial said:
Carlsson has his warts also apparently.

He's viewed as this big two-way center but he mainly played wing lately...

Some scouts out there doubt his ability to be an effective 2way center in the NHL.
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Carlsson certainly has size, skill, and smarts, but he’s got heavy feet and a muffin for a shot. He’s 4th on my list, but don’t think his upside is on the same level as Bedard, Fantilli or Michkov. He and Dvorsky are pretty close for me, Carlsson has the men’s league production, but Dvorsky has a way better shot in a similar package.
 
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Belial said:
It took him 6 years in the league to become the Tkachuk you're describing.

He was not the Tkachuk we see today when he was 18 years old... I don't see why Leonard couldn't get there eventually, he definitely has all the tools necessary IMO.
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6 Years huh? I guess that should negate the concern of having to wait only 3 years for Michkov then no?

Preaching patience for one prospect while bemoaning a 3 year wait for another. (who has a vastly higher upside) Seems both illogical and hypocritical.

I still have yet to see one post in this thread which now has over 9000 comments explain to anyone how passing on Michkov is the right play.
 
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HabbyGuy said:
6 Years huh? I guess that should negate the concern of having to wait only 3 years for Michkov then no?

Preaching patience for one prospect while bemoaning a 3 year wait for another. (who has a vastly higher upside) Seems both illogical and hypocritical.
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I think we can safely say that the narrative on Michkov is not much about his contract but more about his size, disinterest for defense, poor demeanor.
 
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Jaynki said:
I think we can safely say that the narrative on Michkov is not much about his contract but more about his size, disinterest for defense, poor demeanor.
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It's the combination of things. It's not as simple as -just- his current contract but I've given up at this point trying to contextualize it all for people. They want Michkov and there's no reason or cumulative reasons good enough for them to understand anything but picking Michkov.
 
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Jaynki said:
I think we can safely say that the narrative on Michkov is not much about his contract but more about his size, disinterest for defense, poor demeanor.
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Let's just keep moving those goalposts. Hopefully, eventually one will make sense.

WeThreeKings said:
It's the combination of things. It's not as simple as -just- his current contract but I've given up at this point trying to contextualize it all for people. They want Michkov and there's no reason or cumulative reasons good enough for them to understand anything but picking Michkov.
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Try harder. Please, WTK, for the sake of all our sanity, be the solution we need. I really mean this.

Instead of hiding behind the rhetoric of who they might pick should they pass. Please tell us how passing on Michkov makes sense.

This is all any of us want to know. 9000+ posts later in this thread and this still hasn't been explained.
 
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The only hope to prevent a riot on our Board is that Michkov is taken top 4, and then we take whomever is left of those guys. But if not, and we pass on Michkov, and we also pass on Leonard, holy mother. 😳
 
ReHabs said:
I think most would consider Pavelski with pretty much the same reverence as they would a PPG player. Much like Patrice Bergeron.

“PPG” is a placeholder for ‘elite forward’. Elite forwards produce, they are generally good playmakers (more commonly — goal scorers go through dry patches, playmakers tend not to), and they are consistently reliable.

Smith was The Guy on their line. It is clear as day. He was the one who made the killer plays and he was the one who opponents game-planned against.

Michkov is in the same mold.

I think it’s rather obvious which sort of player would benefit the Habs more and more quickly end the rebuild era.
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30 players produced 82 points or more last year. Several more averaged a point per game or better. I don’t think PPG is really “elite”. It might’ve been a few years back but scoring is way up now.
 
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