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Kennerback said:
It isn’t always like that though. Katz, Lowe & co. overruled their scouts who en masse didn’t like the consensus #1 Nail Yakupov. If Habs scouts tell me they independently believe Leonard is the best player, I’m 100% on the Leonard bandwagon. F Michkov. But I don’t believe for a second that’s the case.
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OK I was merely using that one example with Lafrienere. Not Yakupov and the like.

Lafrienere no matter what happens in the future was the right pick at the time, and you'll be hardpressed to find anyone in hockey who'd disagree.
 
JoelWarlord said:
Why? Approx 5'11-6'0 and 190-200lb forwards who can throw the body around and create separation or power to the middle of the ice isn't a particularly rare archetype in the NHL, and Leonard is a better skater than most of the players who play a similar style. I absolutely get wanting Michkov over him because the skill level is just plain higher, but I am kinda confused by all the talk in here about Leonard being too small to play a physical game in the NHL.

Just for some arbitrary examples, guys like Nick Suzuki and Scott Gomez use/used their size to create space in a similar way. Beck and Heineman are about the same size and both are pretty effective physical players. Idk I just don't think it's all that rare or hard to envision. Lehkonen battles, and even a guy as small as Harvey-Pinard is a pretty effective forechecker too if we set aside outliers like Gallagher. All Leonard would need to do is get low and bump the defender off balance a bit, it's not like he needs to be able to absolutely smoke guys to be effective in the NHL and board battles aren't exclusively the domain of 6'4 hulks either.
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I'm not saying he'll be completely ineffective in corners. I am, however, saying there's a pretty good chance he won't be a dominant physical force as some are implying. The trend for NHL defensemen is bigger rather than not.

Genghis Keon said:
At the time of their drafts, it would be ridiculous to think Marchand and Pavelski would become the players they have become. The stars aligned and they maximized ever ounce of potential they had. Leonard, on the other hand, is a no doubt top 10 pick in a strong draft. I don't think it's unreasonable to think he has Marchand or Pavelski upside. You might not project him to be that kind of player, but I can't imagine it would be shocking for him to become that kind of guy.

Similarly, Reinbacher is a top 10 guy in a strong draft. He's got size, good skating, and produced in a pro league. Of course he could be a Ryan Suter. You might not project him to be Ryan Suter, but, knowing what we know about him, why couldn't he be a stud 2-way dman who moves the puck, tilts the ice and shuts down the other team?

Smith has crazy hands, great vision, a killer shot, and great hockey sense. The sky's the limit. Will he reach his potential? Who knows.

The draft isn't a zero sum game. Thinking Wood could be a stud, doesn't mean Benson can't be one too. It certainly doesnt mean either will be. This is a strong draft with lots of guys with lots of potential. We know some will hit and we know some will miss, but we don't know who. We also don't really know how good these guys can become, but hindsight will make it clear that obviously this guy was under appreciated and that guy had obvious overwhelming flaws.
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Of course you can't 100% predict where a player will end up in their career. When you draft someone, you're projecting ahead and playing with probabilities. However, that isn't to say that certain attributes don't predict success better than others.

An insane level of talent (which Michkov has), I would say, is the primary predictor of future success.
 
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HabbyGuy said:
I understand the reasoning of your post, I just don't agree with it. Not that it won't happen, but rather it's the wrong idea from our management side.

And I say this as someone who's intrigued by Leonard.

If they pass on Michkov ugh.

He'd be my choice too. Him or Dvorsky.
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Yeah..

I'm not saying it's my personal choice or the right choice.

That's my prediction of what the Habs management does though.
 
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HabsWhiteKnightLOL said:
there is a war ok but we talking hockey here
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Hockey is a business.

What do you wanna believe then? That a bunch of teams are snobbing Michkov because they couldn't watch him play and visit him? Let's trust Bobby Mac's kool aid.

We picked Galchenyuk despite him playing 2 games in his draft year, and no matter how many times our scouts visited and talked to him and his family throughout that year, we just couldn't notice his dad was a nuisance.

Let's go ahead and pretend it's about hockey then.
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Skip Bayless said:
Hockey is a business.

What do you wanna believe then? That a bunch of teams are snobbing Michkov because they couldn't watch him play and visit him? Let's trust Bobby Mac's kool aid.

We picked Galchenyuk despite him playing 2 games in his draft year, and no matter how many times our scouts visited and talked to him and his family throughout that year, we just couldn't notice his dad was a nuisance.

Let's go ahead and pretend it's about hockey then.
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You think like other teams with slower market would care to draft him.
Anyways Michkov will be gone before 10th. Sounds like just a habs issue as usual.

The kid wants to play hockey , he's traveling to Nashville for interview but hey let's blame him
 
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Skip Bayless said:
Hockey is a business.

What do you wanna believe then? That a bunch of teams are snobbing Michkov because they couldn't watch him play and visit him? Let's trust Bobby Mac's kool aid.

We picked Galchenyuk despite him playing 2 games in his draft year, and no matter how many times our scouts visited and talked to him and his family throughout that year, we just couldn't notice his dad was a nuisance.

Let's go ahead and pretend it's about hockey then.
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Yeah hockey is a business but their responsibility is to their fans not anything else. Sports are not comparable to a bank or something like that. Following business models constantly and not taking any risks is how you become a mid level organization. The top teams in all sports take risks and taking Michkov is such an obvious risk worth taking.
 
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David Suzuki said:
Yeah hockey is a business but their responsibility is to their fans not anything else. Sports are not comparable to a bank or something like that. Following business models constantly and not taking any risks is how you become a mid level organization. The top teams in all sports take risks and taking Michkov is such an obvious risk worth taking.
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Their responsibility is to their fans... that's why they spent the entire Bergevin era building mediocre teams in order to grab a quick buck instead of building a team that the fans would be proud of.

Once the attendance dropped, then you saw change.

Money talks, they couldn't give two shits about "the fans".
 
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Skip Bayless said:
Their responsibility is to their fans... that's why they spent the entire Bergevin era building mediocre teams in order to grab a quick buck instead of building a team that the fans would be proud of.

Once the attendance dropped, then you saw change.

Money talks, they couldn't give two shits about "the fans".
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I'm confused how these thoughts came together as a response to what I said, ngl lol
 
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David Suzuki said:
I'm confused how these thoughts came together as a response to what I said, ngl lol
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You said their responsibility is to their fans and nothing else and that's just make believe. Their responsibility is to their investors first and foremost.

If the corporate risk of picking Michkov outweights the benefit, they're letting him go. No matter what the fans think about it.
 
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David Suzuki said:
Yeah hockey is a business but their responsibility is to their fans not anything else. Sports are not comparable to a bank or something like that. Following business models constantly and not taking any risks is how you become a mid level organization. The top teams in all sports take risks and taking Michkov is such an obvious risk worth taking.
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What are you talking about? Their ONLY goal is to make money. If they think it makes financial sense to avoid Michkov then they will.
 
If Detroit offered picks 9 and 17 to advance to 5th overall, I would take the bait. Having a top-ten pick, two top-20 picks and three first-round picks for the first time in the same draft since Sam Pollock was GM wouldn't be a bad thing. -Grant McCagg
 
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If Detroit offered picks 9 and 17 to advance to 5th overall, I would take the bait. Having a top-ten pick, two top-20 picks and three first-round picks for the first time in the same draft since Sam Pollock was GM wouldn't be a bad thing. -Grant McCagg
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If Michkov is a no draft, I would too. I don't see a large enough difference between 6-10. All hit or miss type of guys.
 
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ChesterNimitz said:
We have to stop trying to be the smartest guy in the room. If Leonard is there at 5 OA take him and if we chose wisely at 31 and 37 this will be a very, very good draft for us.
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I can’t agree with you on this one. This pick is too important. We’re looking at passing on a 1OA talent for a guy I like btw (Leonard), but not at 5.

The fact we’re considering this is maddening.
 
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