Confirmed with Link: Canadiens Will Pick 5th (Hughes Presser in OP) NO POLITICS

[WeThreeKings]

I can totally appreciate that we have to look at all options available to us. That goes without saying, and ofcourse they have to perform their due diligence before deciding the right approach. Because as fans this is information that we are not privy to at this time.

I am merely stating that as fans, and as someone who is firmly in the pro Michkov camp, I can only go on what I do know. And it is in this regard that passing on Michkov wouldn't make sense to me personallly from a risk/reward perspective. This is afterall a draft discussion thread.

I do however take umbrance in suggesting that being a pro Michkover means I think others are idiots if they don't agree. Not once have I brought into this discourse any sense of Russian phobia or the like.

It is of my opinion the habs need a player like Michkov more than any other that may be available directly behind him on this draft board. That he would be far and away the best talent accesible. That's it, that's all.

It's unfortunate we only have 1 pick with all the options that will be available to us at 5, so making the right call is imperative for this team going forward. I doubt we'll get lucky enough to have an opportunity to grab someone Michkov's ilk anytime in the forseeable future.

I appreciate you clarifying to me, that if it were your choice (knowing what you know) that you too would take Michkov. Your stances on this subject were confusing to me. You seem pretty sure that Michkov will drop much lower than his talent would suggest.

I'm just going off of what has been presented by the media and sources after the combine. Most people expect Michkov to be available after 6, but there have been inklings he could go to San Jose as well.

We don't know, of course, there's always theatre and smoke screens going on. We will see when we see, I just don't think the stances on Michkov have been entirely fair to the organization - because as I've said, and you also agree with me above - we only have a lens that sees so far.

So if the top 4 pass, and Montreal passes, then Arizona passes, and if Philadelphia passes, I don't think all of these organizations are just stupid morons, I think we have to accept that what we see and what those teams know are two different things. That doesn't mean Michkov won't come over risk free and be the superstar he's been projected to be since 16 years old, but I think it does mean that things were not cut and dry for a lot of organizations and when you are picking that high and there's uncertainty on multiple levels, it's not as easy as it is for us to say sitting at our computer.

I'll be hoping if the top 4 falls as it does that we have been bluffing and will take Michkov. If we don't, I'm happy with the alternatives, but I'll certainly be holding my breath that Michkov doesn't bite us in the ass.. but in the same sense, if we draft him, I'll be holding my breath that he doesn't sign an extension or it doesn't become harder to get him out of Russia.

One way or another, take Michkov, don't take Michkov, it's a storyline we will be watching for many years.. Hopefully, regardless of what we do with Michkov, we win a stanley cup in this next core's window and then it all becomes irrelevant.

 

[HabbyGuy]

I'm just going off of what has been presented by the media and sources after the combine. Most people expect Michkov to be available after 6, but there have been inklings he could go to San Jose as well.

We don't know, of course, there's always theatre and smoke screens going on. We will see when we see, I just don't think the stances on Michkov have been entirely fair to the organization - because as I've said, and you also agree with me above - we only have a lens that sees so far.

So if the top 4 pass, and Montreal passes, then Arizona passes, and if Philadelphia passes, I don't think all of these organizations are just stupid morons, I think we have to accept that what we see and what those teams know are two different things. That doesn't mean Michkov won't come over risk free and be the superstar he's been projected to be since 16 years old, but I think it does mean that things were not cut and dry for a lot of organizations and when you are picking that high and there's uncertainty on multiple levels, it's not as easy as it is for us to say sitting at our computer.

I'll be hoping if the top 4 falls as it does that we have been bluffing and will take Michkov. If we don't, I'm happy with the alternatives, but I'll certainly be holding my breath that Michkov doesn't bite us in the ass.. but in the same sense, if we draft him, I'll be holding my breath that he doesn't sign an extension or it doesn't become harder to get him out of Russia.

One way or another, take Michkov, don't take Michkov, it's a storyline we will be watching for many years.. Hopefully, regardless of what we do with Michkov, we win a stanley cup in this next core's window and then it all becomes irrelevant.

Thank you.

 

[Kennerback]

I'm just going off of what has been presented by the media and sources after the combine. Most people expect Michkov to be available after 6, but there have been inklings he could go to San Jose as well.
We don't know, of course, there's always theatre and smoke screens going on. We will see when we see, I just don't think the stances on Michkov have been entirely fair to the organization - because as I've said, and you also agree with me above - we only have a lens that sees so far.
So if the top 4 pass, and Montreal passes, then Arizona passes, and if Philadelphia passes, I don't think all of these organizations are just stupid morons, I think we have to accept that what we see and what those teams know are two different things. That doesn't mean Michkov won't come over risk free and be the superstar he's been projected to be since 16 years old, but I think it does mean that things were not cut and dry for a lot of organizations and when you are picking that high and there's uncertainty on multiple levels, it's not as easy as it is for us to say sitting at our computer.

I'll be hoping if the top 4 falls as it does that we have been bluffing and will take Michkov. If we don't, I'm happy with the alternatives, but I'll certainly be holding my breath that Michkov doesn't bite us in the ass.. but in the same sense, if we draft him, I'll be holding my breath that he doesn't sign an extension or it doesn't become harder to get him out of Russia.

One way or another, take Michkov, don't take Michkov, it's a storyline we will be watching for many years.. Hopefully, regardless of what we do with Michkov, we win a stanley cup in this next core's window and then it all becomes irrelevant.

All those organizations after the top 4 are stupid morons. Flyers brass overruled their scouting team to pick Patrick over Makar and overruled them to pick Sanheim over Pasternak. Arizona is Arizona.

 

[Colezuki]

All those organizations after the top 4 are stupid morons. Flyers brass overruled their scouting team to pick Patrick over Makar and overruled them to pick Sanheim over Pasternak. Arizona is Arizona.

Flyers Brass has changed Over, Montreal Management has changed over, Arizona has looked like a better run organization since bill the thrill took over.

"everyone's an idiot except me"

 

[eklund the clown]

If Michkov is there at 5 and they pass I vow to never drink a sip of Molson until these piss-brewing oligarchs sell the damn franchise.

I vow to never drink another Molson because it tastes like skunk piss

 

[Runner77]

Oh that's definitely not the main concern, but there are some posters saying his offense won't be translatable to the NHL

Probably a handful at best. There are always forum contrarians just for the hell of it.

 

[Kennerback]

Flyers Brass has changed Over, Montreal Management has changed over, Arizona has looked like a better run organization since bill the thrill took over.

"everyone's an idiot except me"

No one wants to play in Arizona anyways. Actually, I give the benefit of the doubt to the Habs until they fail to do the pick.. Apparently Flyers are interested. Let’s see if they follow through. We’ll see how ingrained the rot is in Philadelphia.

Many serious hockey people believe the mistakes are starting in Anaheim and Columbus, even with the Russian excuse baked in. At the very least, their effective pick is in the vicinity in terms of quality. 5 and up don’t have that excuse.

 

[Runner77]

I am merely stating that as fans, and as someone who is firmly in the pro Michkov camp, …

Another day, another revelation.

 

[HabbyGuy]

Another day, another revelation.

Oh youuuu.

 

[Runner77]

Oh youuuu.

“You’re going to make it after all.”

 

[Ozmodiar]

You do realize that Leonard had a higher PPG than Matthew Tkachuk in the NTDP (94 points in 57 games for Leonard, 96 in 65 for Tkachuk)?

Are you comparing D-1 to draft year?

Let’s compare apples to apples, D-1:
Leonard: 23 points in 36 GP
Tkachuk: 96 points in 65 GP

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Hockey gods didnt listen to my prayers about getting #1 but they can still land us Carlsson

1-Bedard
2-Michkov
3-Smith
4-Fantilli
5-Carlsson

 

[Skip Bayless]

You do realize that Leonard had a higher PPG than Matthew Tkachuk in the NTDP (94 points in 57 games for Leonard, 96 in 65 for Tkachuk)?

 

[HabbyGuy]

Hockey gods didnt listen to my prayers about getting #1 but they can still land us Carlsson

1-Bedard
2-Michkov
3-Smith
4-Fantilli
5-Carlsson

Knowing what we know. Staying in this top 5 seems like the most sensible approach. Just take who's left.

 

[Andrei79]

I don't believe the Ducks are going for Michkov one bit.

 

[Runner77]

I don't believe the Ducks are going for Michkov one bit.

You mean … that source called “someone” wasn’t convincing enough? What about the Sasquatch playing beach volleyball?

 

[sampollock]

man, so many mock's , so many ideas. we need a result already

 

[phillytennis]

I vow to never drink another Molson because it tastes like skunk piss

Yea...you would probably prefer a Smirnoff fruit flavored drink....lol

 

[sheed36]

Just read a draft roundtable article on Sportsnet from today with Bukala and Cosentino and one of the questions was "At which pick does the draft really start, and why?" Both said with the Habs pick @ 5 which was expected really.

Here's what both had to say.

Bukala: It depends how you look at things. I’m of the belief some teams have Adam Fantilli slotted No 2 on their list, while others have Leo Carlsson at No. 2. When one of these two players are selected it will immediately have an effect on another team’s list and how they have slotted prospects. It’s for that reason I believe the draft starts at the second overall pick. I won’t be the least bit surprised to hear about possible trade up and trade down offers being thrown around in the build up to that pick.

My “line in the sand” moment, however, will occur when Montreal steps to the podium to make their selection, right now at No. 5. I believe Matvei Michkov will be staring at them. Do they have enough confidence in his timeline and commitment to come to the NHL after meeting with him before the draft? If they do call his name at No. 5, the trickle-down effect will be immediate. Teams will, again, be adjusting their lists and strategizing what to do next. With names like Ryan Leonard, Will Smith, David Reinbacher, Zach Benson, and Colby Barlow available for top 10 consideration it will be fascinating to see who steps up to take Michkov if Montreal passes, and how his name coming off the board will impact the rest of the first round.

Cosentino: The draft starts at pick five. There are a number of people who believe Montreal may be in the mix for Michkov. I don’t see it that way, but I suppose anything is possible, and under the Kent Hughes/Jeff Gorton regime Montreal is very open-minded. I think the Canadiens would love to move up one spot, and hope Anaheim and Columbus take Fantilli and Carlsson so they can nab Will Smith. Having said that, if the Canadiens keep the fifth pick and don’t go with Michkov, I believe there are two options: The first is David Reinbacher, the Austrian defenceman. He’s likely two years away, and that timeline fits Montreal’s organizational plan. Ryan Leonard would be the next option. He has some Brendan Gallagher in him, and that type of heart and soul is welcomed in any NHL dressing room.

So Cosentino thinks Reinbacher is 2 years away and that seems fine but yet many still think Michkov being 3 years away is just too long for the Habs to wait for him.

Yes there are other risk factors involved with him as well but if Michkov tells teams in his pre draft meetings that he's 100% coming over, once his 3 year KHL contract expires, you'd have to seriously consider taking him and wait that extra year.

Link to full article.

NHL Draft Roundtable: How deep is the 2023 class of prospects?

With the 2023 NHL Draft right around the corner, we asked our experts Jason Bukala and Sam Cosentino three questions about this year's class.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[Runner77]

man, so many mock's , so many ideas. we need a result already

Now you know how we feel about waiting on you to replace Mr. Peabody as the next Figster moniker from the TML front orifice.

 

[Draft]

In the event that Michkov has a specific team or timeline in mind, I’d rather draft and trade a potential superstar forward than settle for developing a lesser talent.

BPA is over, MVA (Most Valuable Asset) is the way to go.

 

[sampollock]

Now you know how we feel about waiting on you to replace Mr. Peabody as the next Figster moniker from the TML front orifice.

LOL
trying to find a person he looks like...

 

[Deleted member 257557]

hopefully SJS takes Michkov cuz i just have that feeling that HuGo wont and i really dont feel like hearing about it for the next 10 years

Whichever poor kid the habs pick will be hearing the same “You’re nothing like (insert anyone picked post habs pick that panned out), the habs messed up” comments 1000 a day like Kotkaniemi had been hearing in Montreal since before he could even grow a beard… Heck Slafkovsky better stay away from certain hf threads and he’s the only one in his draft has even sniffed the nhl lol

 

[Deleted member 257557]

Are there many examples of players who had never seen a north-american sized rink and became stars when they crossed the pond only in their prime? Real question, not trying to make a point…

 

[Gustave]

This will get posted a ton in the coming days. Might as well get a head start:

Thank god we have 5 picks in the 4th and the 5th rounds, darts baby!