Confirmed with Link: Canadiens Will Pick 5th (Hughes Presser in OP) NO POLITICS

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So it’s fine for Anaheim to take that risk with the second overall pick but for us it’s too much with the fifth pick. Ok.
Yup I don't get that reasoning either but here's the thing. It seems it's always only not worth the risk for the Habs to take Michkov but it's absolutely fine for other teams to take the risk because of the timeline of their rebuilds. :dunno:

I mean the Habs are only entering year 2 of their rebuild really so it isn't like they're that much further ahead of most of the other teams drafting in the top 7 here.

I was listening to TSN690 earlier today and they had Anthony Di Marco in studio and the Michkov risk factor was the topic on there as well today. For them it was pretty much the risk isn't worth it for the Habs to draft Michkov due to the long wait but it would be absolutely fine if Arizona or the Flyers drafted him. Just frustrating to listen to at this point.
 
He wasn’t the driver on his line. His passing isn’t great, his shot is nothing special, etc.

You can’t compare him to guys like Eichel, Keller, Caufield, Hughes, Matthews, Zegras, Smith, etc. Because they drive the offence much more.
Don’t agree. His passing is way way better than some think, his shot is very good. He’s gonna be able to drive a line, his transition game is the best on his line.
 
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Waiting on @sampollock to do his daily PxP of this thread that will include how it reached 328 pages, to count down the hours to the BobbyMac final draft list reveal, to remind us how many days away from the draft we are and how we still don’t know what Hughes will do with the 5OA.

Expecting the words “cards” and “vest” to get peppered in there.
 
Don’t agree. His passing is way way better than some think, his shot is very good. He’s gonna be able to drive a line, his transition game is the best on his line.
Why would he drive a line in the NHL when he wasn’t doing it in a lesser league?

Also, his transition game is good but his shot has nothing special. His passing is passable and it’s not one of his strengths. He isn’t as tall as Tkachuk to whom Hughes compared his style too.

He would be a perfect bust candidate.
 
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I think Bobrv sucks, but I agree. He’s privy to info we don’t have on this one. I think
Michkov Is elite, so personally, I don’t care about his attitude much. He’s an elite athlete and s teenager and might be a bit arrogant, oh my god, the horror.
Exactly if the concern is that hates to lose.
 
Why is there no Gabriel Perrault talk?

I know he won’t go top 5 but didn’t he outproduce everyone ???
 
This is such a convenient and enviable stance for you to take. It's a have your cake and eat it too proposition. You're saying if they draft Michkov you'll be as ecstatic as the rest of us, but if they don't it will prove your assertations were right all along.

I assure you, the habs are not going into this process with the mindset of your DND Michkov approach. And if they are, it would be extremely incompetent of them to do so. Realizing the huge talent gap between him and the others who may be directly behind him on the draft board.

And it's also not true, that all those who are "suggesting" alternative options are doing so under this premise. There are others who have emphatically expressed they'd prefer another over Michkov if given their choice regardless.

My question to you is, without the crutch of your DND scenario.

Who would you take at 5? Because that's all the pro Michkov camp is doing.

Understanding the risk, not avoiding it altogether, speaking from the actual position the habs find themselves in. Not this made up scenario you're arguing from.

You cannot say with any clarity the habs feel this way.

How is it a have my cake and eat it too proposition? Do you just not discuss other options because it is counter to what you hope is happening? Should I just sit here and yell into the void that the Habs aren't going to get Leo Carlsson and that they should trade everything under the sun to get into a position to draft him, and if they don't, they are irredeemable idiots?

I'm not even saying that at all. What I am saying is that there is a real possibility that we will not select Michkov for hockey and non-hockey related reasons, so with that being a real and valid possibility, we need to discuss the other options and not just shit on them. What are we getting if we take Leonard? What are we getting if we take Reinbacher? Are there other prospects that should be in the discussion and how do they fit, what do they need to work on?

I don't think the Habs, or any organization, go into the process with any DND mindset on any prospect. I'm certain they've done their homework on every prospect in the draft and they'll do it on Michkov. As they should, as I would do in their shoes, and as I am hoping they will do and with an open and unbiased mind at that.

I've already answered that I have Michkov at 3, so I'd take Michkov at 5 if it was me but it's also an unfair question to really ask anyone. It's like saying well would you marry Halsey if you were single? Yeah, she's gorgeous, she's a talented artist, I love her music, she loves similar things to me.. but I've never met this person, I've never dated them, I don't know if we have chemistry, I don't know if she values the same things as me, etc. There's an entire massive other side to Michkov outside of what he can do in the offensive zone and we, as fans, don't get to have those conversations and so we can't accurately assess the risk profile of Michkov.

But the pro Michkov camp isn't really doing the "I'd take Michkov at 5" they are doing "if the Habs don't take Michkov at 5, they are stupid and they are incompetent and selecting any other player if he is on the board at 5 is the worst decision they could make" and not at all acknowledging that there may be more at play. If the consensus out there is that Michkov is a top 3-5 talent in this draft, but he's not getting drafted 3, and likely not getting drafted 4, and looking likely isn't getting drafted at 5 - when do you concede it isn't as simple as taking the most offensively talented player left in Michkov, regardless of everything else around him - information that you don't and won't have.

That same Michkov camp seemingly throws away any suggestions that there is a risk. Russiaphobia. Russia boogeyman. Character assassination. Smoke and mirrors. Maybe there is some veracity to it, if there could be 3-5 organizations passing on someone that you've all ascertained is the most talented player available after Bedard? Those organizations aren't doing that blindly and without due diligence.
 
I know this was just posted but have to ask — who is that “someone”? Could Marek have been more vague?

Could it have been … the Zamboni driver or popcorn vendor famously eavesdropping from outside the GM’s office? :sarcasm:

Or maybe … I’ll go with the beach volleyball story.

 

As they should, he is very easily the 2nd best prospect in the draft. People question his game and if it can translate, but he's still got considerably better offensive tools than anyone not named Bedard. You question Michkov's ability to produce in the NHL, you gotta question everyone else besides Bedard too if not more. Having said that, I'd be shocked if Ducks didn't take Fantilli.
 
I know this was just posted but have to ask — who is that “someone”? Could Marek have been more vague?

Could it have been … the Zamboni driver or popcorn vendor famously eavesdropping from outside the GM’s office? :sarcasm:

Or maybe … I’ll go with the beach volleyball story.



Maybe bigfoot was playing beach volleyball with Verbeek :huh:
 
I know this was just posted but have to ask — who is that “someone”? Could Marek have been more vague?

Could it have been … the Zamboni driver or popcorn vendor famously eavesdropping from outside the GM’s office? :sarcasm:

Or maybe … I’ll go with the beach volleyball story.


Turns out it wasn't Bigfoot who was playing beach volleyball but rather it was our ol buddy Bergy gone full hobo beard mode again out in LA. :)

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As they should, he is very easily the 2nd best prospect in the draft. People question his game and if it can translate, but he's still got considerably better offensive tools than anyone not named Bedard. You question Michkov's ability to produce in the NHL, you gotta question everyone else besides Bedard too if not more. Having said that, I'd be shocked if Ducks didn't take Fantilli.
I think we can all agree that this whole saga has never been about Michkov’s talent.
 
Brady Tkachuk is 6’4’’ 221 and bullies guys around in the ice. Tough to handle.
Matthew is highly skilled, very good point production in his draft year.

Leonard - so-so production, under 6 feet. The style can be similar, even if effectiveness is on par.

He’s not exactly the 3rd brother coming to make up for past drafting mistakes.
You do realize that Leonard had a higher PPG than Matthew Tkachuk in the NTDP (94 points in 57 games for Leonard, 96 in 65 for Tkachuk)? Tkachuk had better stats in the USHL, but Leonard also outscored him comfortably in the U-18 tournament.

I'd say it's much closer than you are making it seem.
 
He wasn’t the driver on his line. His passing isn’t great, his shot is nothing special, etc.

You can’t compare him to guys like Eichel, Keller, Caufield, Hughes, Matthews, Zegras, Smith, etc. Because they drive the offence much more.
When Caufield was drafted, word was from many that Hughes was driving that line and that he wouldn’t amount to his present NHL numbers….so much for that theory

He’s (Leonard) so far been very productive so I’m gonna go with him being a very productive hockey player…..I’m very comfortable seeing him slide on that Habs jersey on draft night.
 
How is it a have my cake and eat it too proposition? Do you just not discuss other options because it is counter to what you hope is happening? Should I just sit here and yell into the void that the Habs aren't going to get Leo Carlsson and that they should trade everything under the sun to get into a position to draft him, and if they don't, they are irredeemable idiots?

I'm not even saying that at all. What I am saying is that there is a real possibility that we will not select Michkov for hockey and non-hockey related reasons, so with that being a real and valid possibility, we need to discuss the other options and not just shit on them. What are we getting if we take Leonard? What are we getting if we take Reinbacher? Are there other prospects that should be in the discussion and how do they fit, what do they need to work on?

I don't think the Habs, or any organization, go into the process with any DND mindset on any prospect. I'm certain they've done their homework on every prospect in the draft and they'll do it on Michkov. As they should, as I would do in their shoes, and as I am hoping they will do and with an open and unbiased mind at that.

I've already answered that I have Michkov at 3, so I'd take Michkov at 5 if it was me but it's also an unfair question to really ask anyone. It's like saying well would you marry Halsey if you were single? Yeah, she's gorgeous, she's a talented artist, I love her music, she loves similar things to me.. but I've never met this person, I've never dated them, I don't know if we have chemistry, I don't know if she values the same things as me, etc. There's an entire massive other side to Michkov outside of what he can do in the offensive zone and we, as fans, don't get to have those conversations and so we can't accurately assess the risk profile of Michkov.

But the pro Michkov camp isn't really doing the "I'd take Michkov at 5" they are doing "if the Habs don't take Michkov at 5, they are stupid and they are incompetent and selecting any other player if he is on the board at 5 is the worst decision they could make" and not at all acknowledging that there may be more at play. If the consensus out there is that Michkov is a top 3-5 talent in this draft, but he's not getting drafted 3, and likely not getting drafted 4, and looking likely isn't getting drafted at 5 - when do you concede it isn't as simple as taking the most offensively talented player left in Michkov, regardless of everything else around him - information that you don't and won't have.

That same Michkov camp seemingly throws away any suggestions that there is a risk. Russiaphobia. Russia boogeyman. Character assassination. Smoke and mirrors. Maybe there is some veracity to it, if there could be 3-5 organizations passing on someone that you've all ascertained is the most talented player available after Bedard? Those organizations aren't doing that blindly and without due diligence.

I can totally appreciate that we have to look at all options available to us. That goes without saying, and ofcourse they have to perform their due diligence before deciding the right approach. Because as fans this is information that we are not privy to at this time.

I am merely stating that as fans, and as someone who is firmly in the pro Michkov camp, I can only go on what I do know. And it is in this regard that passing on Michkov wouldn't make sense to me personallly from a risk/reward perspective. This is afterall a draft discussion thread.

I do however take umbrance in suggesting that being a pro Michkover means I think others are idiots if they don't agree. Not once have I brought into this discourse any sense of Russian phobia or the like.

It is of my opinion the habs need a player like Michkov more than any other that may be available directly behind him on this draft board. That he would be far and away the best talent accessible. That's it, that's all.

It's unfortunate we only have 1 pick with all the options that will be available to us at 5, so making the right call is imperative for this team going forward. I doubt we'll get lucky enough to have an opportunity to grab someone of Michkov's ilk anytime in the forseeable future. It would seem foolish to pass on it, without all the information.

I appreciate you clarifying to me, that if it were your choice (knowing what you know) that you too would take Michkov. Your stances on this subject were confusing to me. You seem pretty sure that Michkov will drop much lower than his talent would suggest.

I personally am not buying it until I see it. Because to me, without that info it makes no sense.
 
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