Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[Bryanbryoil]

Ironically, the only one of those teams that are on average bigger than the Oilers is Vegas. IN terms of average weight for example Dallas is 2nd, Calgary is 28th, Vancouver is 30th and Minnesota is 31st.

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We will get our shows run physically if our roster remains the same. Weight is nice for board and net front battles as well as fights, but the willingness to throw the body and fight are lacking on our team compared to teams like Minnesota, Calgary, Vegas and Florida.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Every guy I mentioned had a long career. Maybe you’re the one with a misunderstanding

Nah you are because you misunderstand coke machines and how modern hockey works. A guy being tough and being able to play is fine, just being a coke machine isn't useful.

The sport was very different, simpler to leave it at that. Messier might have Raffi Torres'd himself out of the league with he way he played back then.

 

[McTonyBrar]

As much as I like Savoie, what a big "f u" to Jeff Skinner if Knoblauch pushes him down to the 3rd line. He has 3 points in his last 2 games and making big defensive plays.

Well don’t you think they should find out what they have in Savoie? What if they have another top 6 winger who works perfectly in Leon? They won’t have to focus on getting another top six winger.

They can focus on getting a goalie. The goalie. John Gibson

 

[Messrules11]

Nah you are because you misunderstand coke machines and how modern hockey works. A guy being tough and being able to play is fine, just being a coke machine isn't useful.

The sport was very different, simpler to leave it at that. Messier might have Raffi Torres'd himself out of the league with he way he played back then.

The question pertained to the ‘80’s, not this 4 hit a game bs some call hockey.

 

[Shizuka]

I appreciate Savoie is getting the call up and a look. I was thrilled to see him coming over in the Mcleod trade as we have an absolutely pitiful prospect pool. Certainly makes me wonder what the plan is with Skinner though. They don't even trust him in regular season, at one point dressing Brown for several games over him -- what does that say about playoff usage, where the game tightens up tremendously and even one mistake can end up costing a game? Frankly glad he was only brought on board for a year. They'll probably have to keep him around as insurance in case of injury, but up until very recently it was clear they didn't trust him enough to play him further up in the top 6.

 

[The Nuge]

Never, ever sign depth players to term. I don't know what Holland was thinking.

There’s nothing wrong with giving depth guys term. You just can’t give them term and AAV. The Isles did great getting Pelech, Mayfield, Martin, etc signed with some term for example because they came at a low AAV. But Engvall is a boat anchor because they caved on AAV and term. Kassian would have been fine if the contract was 3.2x2 or 2.0x4, but 3.2x4 made it bad. I was advocating for giving Vinny up to like 1.5x6 (guaranteed payday of 9 million instead of the 4 he got) for example last summer, and I stand by it

 

[McDoused]

Well don’t you think they should find out what they have in Savoie? What if they have another top 6 winger who works perfectly in Leon? They won’t have to focus on getting another top six winger.

They can focus on getting a goalie. The goalie. John Gibson

Sorry I just have to laugh because of the timing. If the Oilers push Jeff Skinner down to the 3rd line after finally earning a top 6 spot, it's bullshit.

The Oilers could have recalled Savoie to play in the top 6 at any point of the year, especially when we had injuries. If you really want to, put Arvidsson on the 3rd line.

Just pisses me off if your implying that Skinner after finally earning his spot beside Leon should just give it to Savoie. Sure that might be Savoies spot eventually but you dont screw over Jeff Skinner after he does everything the coach has asked of him.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

We will get our shows run physically if our roster remains the same. Weight is nice for board and net front battles as well as fights, but the willingness to throw the body and fight are lacking on our team compared to teams like Minnesota, Calgary, Vegas and Florida.

Were a bit older, a bit slower, and softer than those. You might want to include Dallas in that group too lol.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Were a bit older, a bit slower, and softer than those. You might want to include Dallas in that group too lol.

I don't consider them as physical outside of Benn and Marchment.

 

[McHelpus]

Well don’t you think they should find out what they have in Savoie? What if they have another top 6 winger who works perfectly in Leon? They won’t have to focus on getting another top six winger.

They can focus on getting a goalie. The goalie. John Gibson

Why not let Savoie have a strong finish to his year in the AHL then call him up next season. Why the heck are they now testing him with 7 games left before the deadline?

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Nah you are because you misunderstand coke machines and how modern hockey works. A guy being tough and being able to play is fine, just being a coke machine isn't useful.

The sport was very different, simpler to leave it at that. Messier might have Raffi Torres'd himself out of the league with he way he played back then.

Jimmi ...these guys are role players. Yes there minutes are no longer what they were in the old days. BUT depending on how your team is built (for example ours where we were or are dependent on half a dozen guys for offense and/or top D), we need that 'coke machine type" maybe 7 mins or so every 2nd game.

Look at how we lost that Vegas playoff series 2 years ago and Look how Florida contained our offense and exploited out right D.

A Matt Olivier or a Ross Johnston or a Ryan Reeves can make a difference even playing few minutes. But yeah you can't count on them for more.
Furthermore the Oilers overall are not very pugilistic and the guys that are you would like prefer on the ice than in the box...(Nursery, Podko--learning to be a net front presence).
Bone crunching hits and physical play and fighting and intimidating your opponent can make a big difference sometimes.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

The Oilers aren’t small or slow…

 

[FlameChampion]

Its important for prospects like Savoie to get a taste of the NHL even if it turns out hes not ready. When he goes into the offseason, at least he has a better idea of what to expect going into the next season.

It’s something that I don’t think they have done well with in the past. So it’s nice to at least someone getting an opportunity.

 

[Mr Positive]

Sorry I just have to laugh because of the timing. If the Oilers push Jeff Skinner down to the 3rd line after finally earning a top 6 spot, it's bullshit.

The Oilers could have recalled Savoie to play in the top 6 at any point of the year, especially when we had injuries. If you really want to, put Arvidsson on the 3rd line.

Just pisses me off if your implying that Skinner after finally earning his spot beside Leon should just give it to Savoie. Sure that might be Savoies spot eventually but you dont screw over Jeff Skinner after he does everything the coach has asked of him.

Skinner has been better and I'm sure the team will let that play out. I doubt the team has a firm plan for where or when Savoie plays. Just let him join the team for practices and give him the best spot he earns. I could see him as a Kapanen replacement or even tried in the top six.

Also wouldn't Savoie be a RW? Skinner is pretty much just LW, no?

 

[Mr Positive]

Its important for prospects like Savoie to get a taste of the NHL even if it turns out hes not ready. When he goes into the offseason, at least he has a better idea of what to expect going into the next season.

It’s something that I don’t think they have done well with in the past. So it’s nice to at least someone getting an opportunity.

The ultimate success story like that is Draisaitl. He played half the season and wasn't very good, but imo it was an important part of informing his development. If you kill it at hockey in the lower leagues that is nice, but it isn't the same game and can lead to developing bad NHL habits or not developing important skills like skating.

We are focused on playoffs anyway. Giving Savoie a bunch of NHL time is all win imo

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Jimmi ...these guys are role players. Yes there minutes are no longer what they were in the old days. BUT depending on how your team is built (for example ours where we were or are dependent on half a dozen guys for offense and/or top D), we need that 'coke machine type" maybe 7 mins or so every 2nd game.

Look at how we lost that Vegas playoff series 2 years ago and Look how Florida contained our offense and exploited out right D.

A Matt Olivier or a Ross Johnston or a Ryan Reeves can make a difference even playing few minutes. But yeah you can't count on them for more.
Furthermore the Oilers overall are not very pugilistic and the guys that are you would like prefer on the ice than in the box...(Nursery, Podko--learning to be a net front presence).
Bone crunching hits and physical play and fighting and intimidating your opponent can make a big difference sometimes.

Lolz with this, you guys and inventing magic tough guy difference makers

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Skinner has been better and I'm sure the team will let that play out. I doubt the team has a firm plan for where or when Savoie plays. Just let him join the team for practices and give him the best spot he earns. I could see him as a Kapanen replacement or even tried in the top six.

Also wouldn't Savoie be a RW? Skinner is pretty much just LW, no?

Likely they plan to give him a 3 or 4 game coffee beside Leon. PodKo Leon Savoie. Skinner moves down. Lets hope he succeeds. Kinda wish we knew what was going on with Kaner.

 

[foshizzle]

The question pertained to the ‘80’s, not this 4 hit a game bs some call hockey.

There is a misconception that the 80s were some rough and tough hockey. 80s were the highest scoring decade of hockey. This generation is way more physical. I love the circular logic of those who think the 80s were some WWE league

“In the 80s, you couldn’t take liberties with players because you would get tuned in”

The most obvious retort that I never get a response to “if everyone was so scared- how was it more physical?”

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Lolz with this, you guys and inventing magic tough guy difference makers

Teaching the blind to see is a long process...and i'm not brail functional.

But just can't leave it be!

If a Olivier shows up in front of his defensive zone net and say a young Ryan Getzlaf has his a55 parked there waiting and screening and Olivier says get your a55 out of here ....guess what your Getz moves and in a hurry.
If your a winger back in your Dzone half boards digging for the puck, guess what Jimmy you know if Olivier or Johnston is on the ice and if they are your looking over your shoulder ...cause you have been hammered before by a 230 or 240 lb guy and it hurts bad or worse he gets you in the trolley tracks and hammers you to Mars and your injured and/or have a concussion. These guys presense alone makes some room for the top guys even if they aren't on the ice.
AND Paul Maurice would have had much more trouble containing our top 5 guys if we had the right guy around.
Do you remember Tkachuk playing around and takin liberties? Do you remember Bennett skating into the soft areas of the Ozone without a care?
Do you remember Vegas basically forcing Nursery to fight and eventually suckering him into a frustration level where he got himself ejected and out for a game and put a nail in the coffin for the next game?

 

[UpHere]

Sorry I just have to laugh because of the timing. If the Oilers push Jeff Skinner down to the 3rd line after finally earning a top 6 spot, it's bullshit.

The Oilers could have recalled Savoie to play in the top 6 at any point of the year, especially when we had injuries. If you really want to, put Arvidsson on the 3rd line.

Just pisses me off if your implying that Skinner after finally earning his spot beside Leon should just give it to Savoie. Sure that might be Savoies spot eventually but you dont screw over Jeff Skinner after he does everything the coach has asked of him.

just because he starts on one line, doesn't mean he finishes there - Knob moves guys around all the time, and skinner's been a pro a long time, he should know he isn't a main character on this team, he'll act accordingly (and ftr i'm a j skinner supporter, we're better with him rolling than without)

 

[McTonyBrar]

Sorry I just have to laugh because of the timing. If the Oilers push Jeff Skinner down to the 3rd line after finally earning a top 6 spot, it's bullshit.

The Oilers could have recalled Savoie to play in the top 6 at any point of the year, especially when we had injuries. If you really want to, put Arvidsson on the 3rd line.

Just pisses me off if you’re implying that Skinner after finally earning his spot beside Leon should just give it to Savoie. Sure that might be Savoies spot eventually but you dont screw over Jeff Skinner after he does everything the coach has asked of him.

Are we even sure Savoie is going to play with Leon? Relax man this team isn’t just about making sure Skinner turns out good. He’s had a good run and it doesn’t mean he’s out of the top six yet. He may get moved up beside McDavid . They want to know what they have in a top prospect. It could change a lot for the trade deadline.

Savoie has earned a look.

 

[Soundwave]

Are we even sure Savoie is going to play with Leon? Relax man this team isn’t just about making sure Skinner turns out good. He’s had a good run and it doesn’t mean he’s out of the top six yet. He may get moved up beside McDavid . They want to know what they have in a top prospect. It could change a lot for the trade deadline.

Savoie has earned a look.

Ron Howard Narrarator Voice: Skinner wasn’t moved up to McDavid’s line.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Why not let Savoie have a strong finish to his year in the AHL then call him up next season. Why the heck are they now testing him with 7 games left before the deadline?

Why the heck can’t they test him? Our top six wingers are complete garbage.

None are fast nor can they win any board battle except Hyman. Arvidsson wins a few and he always falls on his ass.

Sorry to piss you off but Savoie has earned a look. If he outplays our top six wingers, it’s on them for being shit in front of a rookie.

 

[McHelpus]

Why the heck can’t they test him? Our top six wingers are complete garbage.

None are fast nor can they win any board battle except Hyman. Arvidsson wins a few and he always falls on his ass.

Sorry to piss you off but Savoie has earned a look. If he outplays our top six wingers, it’s on them for being shit in front of a rookie.

Oh we just have different opinions, I'm not pissed off haha, if I'm wrong and Savoie does well I would gladly take it back.

 

[McDoused]

Are we even sure Savoie is going to play with Leon? Relax man this team isn’t just about making sure Skinner turns out good. He’s had a good run and it doesn’t mean he’s out of the top six yet. He may get moved up beside McDavid . They want to know what they have in a top prospect. It could change a lot for the trade deadline.

Savoie has earned a look.

That's fair but the practice lines today were nuge-ryan-hyman and pod-drai-savoie. Ryan's just a placeholder and Skinners playing in the bottom 6 again. It's very likely that those are the lines Knoblauch will want to see against the flyers.