Confirmed with Link: Canadiens Will Pick 5th (Hughes Presser in OP) NO POLITICS

[BLONG7]

Not sure how you can go inside his head and know the deal triggers at 90%+, but like I said, he better not miss his shot because it will be much worse then Drouin / Sergachev.

Hmmmm, not sure there could be anything worse than that trade.....
I don't think HuGo are making any deals, to simply please RDS and other media in the city.

 

[NORiculous]

Hmmmm, not sure there could be anything worse than that trade.....
I don't think HuGo are making any deals, to simply please RDS and other media in the city.

Michkov is projected to be much better than what Drouin or Sergachev were projected. The chances of trading for a Sergachev aren’t high either.

So yeah, the chance are solid that if they do trade #5 not to take Michkov, that it ends up worse then Drouin / Sergachev.

Habs fans are watching HuGo:

 

[Team_Spirit]

SJ is hard to guess assuming 123 goes as expected. Who would you pick as SJ?

Michkov they have Barabanov breaking out

Smith they need centers, might go for Perreault with NJs pick.

Reinbacher..possible heir to Karlsson he would not have to jump in on the top pair.

Leonard I feel he's not going before Smith.

 

[jrom]

I cant see any scenarios where Carlsson is available at 5…

Only in the wet dreams posted here where somehow despite having pick #5 we pick the 3rd best player

 

[Jaynki]

I cant see any scenarios where Carlsson is available at 5…

Smith and Michkov goes top 4...

Its not crazy to think that

1) Michkov is the best player after Bedard, by a clear margin.

2) Smith has the best offensive package after Bedard and Michkov.

I think its, although a lower odd scenario, kinda possible that Carlsson fall to 5.

Out of all the possibilities possible, a team picking in front of us may pick Reinbacher as they may see it as a rare opportunity to grab what they believe is a 1RD. What if a CLB preferred center in the draft is Dvorsky?

We take for granted that there is a clear top 5, but the draft never happens like we think and there is always surprise. The truth is, after Bedard, its all up in the air.

 

[SlafySZN]

Out of all the possibilities possible, a team picking in front of us may pick Reinbacher as they may see it as a rare opportunity to grab what they believe is a 1RD. What if a CLB preferred center in the draft is Dvorsky?

We take for granted that there is a clear top 5, but the draft never happens like we think and there is always surprise. The truth is, after Bedard, its all up in the air.

I would laugh for hours if it actually happens

 

[Jaynki]

I would laugh for hours if it actually happens

Like we all laughed when they got PLD in 2016

 

[SlafySZN]

Like we all laughed when they got PLD in 2016

Lol that one was a fine choice in retrospect compared to Puljujarvi, that’s true. But yeah, maybe there’s a world where Dvorsky becomes better than Carlsson in the end, who knows. It would just be funny to see everyone lose their mind on the pick.

 

[NewEraGM]

Dallas has no superstar??? Wtf

As I mentioned , for me, there are 10 or so superstars in the league. Where you draw the line between star and superstar is up to each person but I don’t think a league can have 30 superstars. So for me, the 10 in superstar category are : McDavid, Draisilt, Mackinnon, Makar, Matthews, Kucherov, Tkachuk, Pastrnak, Crosby, Ovechkin….like that’s pretty much the list. I think Robertson is in the next tier with Marner, Point, Stamkos, Rantanen, etc.

And it’s not that Robertson isn’t worthy or as good as those superstar players, it’s just more so that who do you take out of that list? Dallas has a few great stars like Robertson, Miro, Hintz and Ottinger but if you limit yourself to 10 superstars, I don’t think they have one on that list.

So a 22 year old that goes 79 pts in 74 games to then up his game at 23 to 109 pts in 82 games (with over 30 pts lead on his closest teammates)… tied for 6th in the league with Tkachuk, between Rantanen and MacKinon.

Don’t see how you don’t qualify him as a superstar.

Habs have nothing close to that.

Obviously habs have nothing close to that. But you can’t have 20 superstars in a league. Superstar is reserved imo for the top 10, even more likely top 5 players in the league. So between Mcdavid, Makar, Draisaitl, Matthews, Mackinnon and Kucherov…who do you take out to put Robertson in?

It’s a subjective line as to where you differentiate superstar vs star. I think Robertson is at the high end of the star category along with players like Marner, Rantanen, Point, etc.

 

[NewEraGM]

I get what you're saying in terms of team building but Jason Robertson is a superstar.



Dallas also dresses 18 star players every night!

Superstar imo should be reserved for the top 5-10 players in the league. Not even star is a superstar. He’s not in same category as Mcdavid, Draisaitl, Mackinnon, Makar, Matthews….so he’s a fantastic star but not superstar. You can’t have 20 superstars in a league

 

[nhlfan9191]

Like we all laughed when they got PLD in 2016

Who was laughing at Columbus in 2016? They went off the board by 1 spot because of some glaring red flags with Puli. Teams also value centers over wingers when you’re in a tie break like scenario. I don’t understand why you think people were laughing at Columbus for making the pick they did.

 

[DAChampion]

As I mentioned , for me, there are 10 or so superstars in the league. Where you draw the line between star and superstar is up to each person but I don’t think a league can have 30 superstars. So for me, the 10 in superstar category are : McDavid, Draisilt, Mackinnon, Makar, Matthews, Kucherov, Tkachuk, Pastrnak, Crosby, Ovechkin….like that’s pretty much the list. I think Robertson is in the next tier with Marner, Point, Stamkos, Rantanen, etc.

And it’s not that Robertson isn’t worthy or as good as those superstar players, it’s just more so that who do you take out of that list? Dallas has a few great stars like Robertson, Miro, Hintz and Ottinger but if you limit yourself to 10 superstars, I don’t think they have one on that list.


Obviously habs have nothing close to that. But you can’t have 20 superstars in a league. Superstar is reserved imo for the top 10, even more likely top 5 players in the league. So between Mcdavid, Makar, Draisaitl, Matthews, Mackinnon and Kucherov…who do you take out to put Robertson in?

It’s a subjective line as to where you differentiate superstar vs star. I think Robertson is at the high end of the star category along with players like Marner, Rantanen, Point, etc.

Agree with you, superstar should be reserved for the top five or ten players.

 

[NewEraGM]

Would you really take him over Smith? I don't think we can risk passing on a potential 100 point player to play with Caufield

As I mentioned, I would still take Smith over Leonard but Leonard’s game is very transferable to the NHL. Drives the net, competes, good shot, skilled and can skate. Smith likely has the higher upside and more likely to hit 100 point level, but Leornard I think is the one to hit 70 points and contributes in all aspects of the game. Kind of like Bennett, Konecny, Hartman type…

 

[NORiculous]

As I mentioned , for me, there are 10 or so superstars in the league. Where you draw the line between star and superstar is up to each person but I don’t think a league can have 30 superstars. So for me, the 10 in superstar category are : McDavid, Draisilt, Mackinnon, Makar, Matthews, Kucherov, Tkachuk, Pastrnak, Crosby, Ovechkin….like that’s pretty much the list. I think Robertson is in the next tier with Marner, Point, Stamkos, Rantanen, etc.

And it’s not that Robertson isn’t worthy or as good as those superstar players, it’s just more so that who do you take out of that list? Dallas has a few great stars like Robertson, Miro, Hintz and Ottinger but if you limit yourself to 10 superstars, I don’t think they have one on that list.


Obviously habs have nothing close to that. But you can’t have 20 superstars in a league. Superstar is reserved imo for the top 10, even more likely top 5 players in the league. So between Mcdavid, Makar, Draisaitl, Matthews, Mackinnon and Kucherov…who do you take out to put Robertson in?

It’s a subjective line as to where you differentiate superstar vs star. I think Robertson is at the high end of the star category along with players like Marner, Rantanen, Point, etc.

Top 10? So at 23 being 6th in scoring in the NHL is pretty much that. Unless you think he was lucky, which should fade away when he repeats next year.

But in any event, you compared the Habs having no superstar to Dallas as a model. But the Habs don’t have guy that can score 100 + pts at 23, with clearly no help.

But let’s say the Habs get Michkov, that he comes over and that he scores 100+ pts at 23, with Suzuki/Dach/Caufield/etc. all in the 70ish… then the comparable would be on.

Thing is… the hardest part of a rebuild is getting that 100+ pts guy, no matter what you call him.

 

[Jaynki]

Lol that one was a fine choice in retrospect compared to Puljujarvi, that’s true. But yeah, maybe there’s a world where Dvorsky becomes better than Carlsson in the end, who knows. It would just be funny to see everyone lose their mind on the pick.

Yeah. I agree it would be pretty special.

Its a too frequent occurence, like almost every draft, that players picked 6-15 outperform players picked top 5 and that player picked top 5 that felt "cant-miss" prospects bust.

 

[Jaynki]

Who was laughing at Columbus in 2016? They went off the board by 1 spot because of some glaring red flags with Puli. Teams also value centers over wingers when you’re in a tie break like scenario. I don’t understand why you think people were laughing at Columbus for making the pick they did.

Everybody did not believe how lucky Edmonton was to have had McDavid in 2015 and that CLB made Pulju slide to them in 2016. It was an absolute out of the blue pick because there was a clear top 3 in 2016. There was more talk about Pulju going 2nd in 2016 than any of him Laine and Matthews falling.

Also, before getting 48 points in his rookie season in his D+2 PLD had 18 points in 20 games in the Q in his D+1 with Cape Breton. Just in case you were worried with Slaf.

Screenshot from McKenzie 2016 final draft ranking.

 

[NewEraGM]

Top 10? So at 23 being 6th in scoring in the NHL is pretty much that. Unless you think he was lucky, which should fade away when he repeats next year.

But in any event, you compared the Habs having no superstar to Dallas as a model. But the Habs don’t have guy that can score 100 + pts at 23, with clearly no help.

But let’s say the Habs get Michkov, that he comes over and that he scores 100+ pts at 23, with Suzuki/Dach/Caufield/etc. all in the 70ish… then the comparable would be on.

Thing is… the hardest part of a rebuild is getting that 100+ pts guy, no matter what you call him.

I’m not saying habs are or will be Dallas. Dallas is way better and habs aren’t even close….just to be clear. But of that list of 5-10 superstars that I posted, who do you take out to put in Robertson?

That’s my point, the line between superstar and star is subjective but I don’t have Robertson in same tier of player as Mcdavid, Draisaitl, Mackinnon, Makar so naturally he should be in the tier below that. I can’t imagine anyone saying he’s on their level. Those players deserve a tier of their own (superstar). Robertson is in the tier with Marner, Rantanen, Point, etc.

 

[Kent Nilsson]

As I mentioned , for me, there are 10 or so superstars in the league. Where you draw the line between star and superstar is up to each person but I don’t think a league can have 30 superstars. So for me, the 10 in superstar category are : McDavid, Draisilt, Mackinnon, Makar, Matthews, Kucherov, Tkachuk, Pastrnak, Crosby, Ovechkin….like that’s pretty much the list. I think Robertson is in the next tier with Marner, Point, Stamkos, Rantanen, etc.

And it’s not that Robertson isn’t worthy or as good as those superstar players, it’s just more so that who do you take out of that list? Dallas has a few great stars like Robertson, Miro, Hintz and Ottinger but if you limit yourself to 10 superstars, I don’t think they have one on that list.


Obviously habs have nothing close to that. But you can’t have 20 superstars in a league. Superstar is reserved imo for the top 10, even more likely top 5 players in the league. So between Mcdavid, Makar, Draisaitl, Matthews, Mackinnon and Kucherov…who do you take out to put Robertson in?

It’s a subjective line as to where you differentiate superstar vs star. I think Robertson is at the high end of the star category along with players like Marner, Rantanen, Point, etc.

Rantanen and Robertson are much better than Crosby and Ovechkin in 2023.

 

[Kennerback]

Everybody did not believe how lucky Edmonton was to have had McDavid in 2015 and that CLB made Pulju slide to them in 2016. It was an absolute out of the blue pick because there was a clear top 3 in 2016. There was more talk about Pulju going 2nd in 2016 than any of him Laine and Matthews falling.

Also, before getting 48 points in his rookie season in his D+2 PLD had 18 points in 20 games in the Q in his D+1 with Cape Breton. Just in case you were worried with Slaf.

Screenshot from McKenzie 2016 final draft ranking.

Puuljarvi has tools. I think one lesson to take from Puljujarvi is that hockey sense is important. Ability to process the game quickly is important. Things are happening too fast for him, his brain can’t follow.

 

[NORiculous]

I’m not saying habs are or will be Dallas. Dallas is way better and habs aren’t even close….just to be clear. But of that list of 5-10 superstars that I posted, who do you take out to put in Robertson?

That’s my point, the line between superstar and star is subjective but I don’t have Robertson in same tier of player as Mcdavid, Draisaitl, Mackinnon, Makar so naturally he should be in the tier below that. I can’t imagine anyone saying he’s on their level. Those players deserve a tier of their own (superstar). Robertson is in the tier with Marner, Rantanen, Point, etc.

We can debate on the definition of what a superstar is. Ask me again who I take off that list next year though.

But the Habs need a guy that can compete offensively with the best, whether you call him a high end star, a superstar or something else.

So, comparing the Stars as a model like you were doing (which prompt my answer), you still need that top guy for the Habs, which is the hardest thing to get in a rebuild.

Because, like you said, those guys are rare…

So when a guy like Michkov falls on your #5 spot, you have to take him unless he is a psycho. We already know that he is an arena rat, which is a huge positive on top of his elite talent.

 

[NewEraGM]

Rantanen and Robertson are much better than Crosby and Ovechkin in 2023.

Ok fine but they are not in same tier as Mcdavid or Draisaitl or Mackinnon. They need their own category (ie: superstar)

For me, Robertson fits perfectly in the tier wit h Point, Marner, Rantanen, etc. Great great players, but a tier below those top players.

 

[NORiculous]

Everybody did not believe how lucky Edmonton was to have had McDavid in 2015 and that CLB made Pulju slide to them in 2016. It was an absolute out of the blue pick because there was a clear top 3 in 2016. There was more talk about Pulju going 2nd in 2016 than any of him Laine and Matthews falling.

Also, before getting 48 points in his rookie season in his D+2 PLD had 18 points in 20 games in the Q in his D+1 with Cape Breton. Just in case you were worried with Slaf.

Screenshot from McKenzie 2016 final draft ranking.

EDM messed up a bunch of prospects, Puljujarvi included. Some teams just suck at developing players.

When it happens occasionally, ok the players might have a lot to do with it. But that period for EDM was bad.

 

[NewEraGM]

We can debate on the definition of what a superstar is. Ask me again who I take off that list next year though.

But the Habs need a guy that can compete offensively with the best, whether you call him a high end star, a superstar or something else.

So, comparing the Stars as a model like you were doing (which prompt my answer), you still need that top guy for the Habs, which is the hardest thing to get in a rebuild.

Because, like you said, those guys are rare…

So when a guy like Michkov falls on your #5 spot, you have to take him unless he is a psycho. We already know that he is an arena rat, which is a huge positive on top of his elite talent.

Yea habs definitely need that guy, potentially 2 of them. Michkov may be it, I doubt Juraj can get there.

I don’t disagree with your logic of taking Michkov if he’s there, but from everything being reported, it’s likely he doesn’t go in top 6-7. That’s what Pronman and wheeler have been saying. They would be surprised to see him go higher than that, with Washington as a potential likely destination.

 

[NORiculous]

Ok fine but they are not in same tier as Mcdavid or Draisaitl or Mackinnon. They need their own category (ie: superstar)

For me, Robertson fits perfectly in the tier wit h Point, Marner, Rantanen, etc. Great great players, but a tier below those top players.

Ok so from a top 10, you are now saying it is a top 3?

That looks like moving the goal post.

 

[Kennerback]

We can debate on the definition of what a superstar is. Ask me again who I take off that list next year though.

But the Habs need a guy that can compete offensively with the best, whether you call him a high end star, a superstar or something else.

So, comparing the Stars as a model like you were doing (which prompt my answer), you still need that top guy for the Habs, which is the hardest thing to get in a rebuild.

Because, like you said, those guys are rare…

So when a guy like Michkov falls on your #5 spot, you have to take him unless he is a psycho. We already know that he is an arena rat, which is a huge positive on top of his elite talent.

No since the invasion, Habs have taken a principle stand. Just Russians like Dadonov or Gurianov that can’t help us too much can wear the vaunted CH. They draw the line at super elite 60 goal Russian forwards.