GDT: Canadian Soccer | Canada at the Copa America - July 9 vs Argentina in the SF

[Drivesaitl]

Like I said before, I'm pretty good at calling these things with coaches. I'm right more often than not.

With Herdman though, it's obvious. He's the best manager in the region and it's not really that close. His man management off the field is incomparable, this guy is a winner through and through.

I've called him the Father of Modern Canadian Soccer and I don't think that's hyperbole. The way he's completely transformed both the men's and women's soccer teams is something that comes along once in a lifetime, maybe even once in two or three lifetimes. The CSA would be wise to open up the cheque book and give this guy as much money and as much power as he needs to continue building this program.

The Canadian Womens program was "transformed" a dozen years before Herdman arrived and it was primarily due to Christine Sinclair, Kara Lang and the advent of generational talent.

 

[Frank the Tank]

I'm not going to pretend that I'm a huge soccer fan, but today has been fun as a Canadian living in the US. Especially since I work with people from all over the world (who are big soccer fans) and they have been stopping by to congratulate me on the big victory (and rubbing it in my American coworkers face).

 

[Yukon Joe]

So tell me if I have this wrong (because I am not a soccer guy):

Whether Canada finishes 1, 2 or 3 in qualifying doesn't really matter in terms of what draw we might get in Qatar. What matters instead is what our overall FIFA world ranking is.

The way the draws are selected is they form 4 groups of 8, with the first group teams ranked 1-8, then 9-16, 17-24, and 25-32, and then each pool gets one team from each group.

Canada's current ranking is #40. So if we were worried about getting a slightly better draw we'd need to be ranked in the top 24 by the time the World Cup draws are made. (or at least in the top 24 of the teams that make it - I understand one of Italy or Portugal will not make it, for example).

But still - even if we qualify early the remaining games are still useful for that overall FIFA ranking, no?


(and no, I know there's lots of soccer to play and they haven't qualified for anything yet)

 

[Cloned]

Lol this guy doesn’t have the lungs to say goal in one long breath so he breaks it up into 4-5 shots….loooooool loooooooool!

To be fair, each shot is pretty long lol

 

[Cloned]

The Canadian Womens program was "transformed" a dozen years before Herdman arrived and it was primarily due to Christine Sinclair, Kara Lang and the advent of generational talent.

Herdman took it to the next level. Anyone who’s played for him raves about him, he’s that good.

 

[Cloned]

Question. I’ve gotta believe a guy like Herdman has to receive a lot of offers. Does a national team coach ever also coach a club team?

Yes, but it’s rare these days. The bigger concern is he leaves for a more prestigious federation like England or Scotland.

 

[snag]

Not a soccer fan but turned it on as I take lunch break from skiing...gotta say....I'm impressed.

To boorow a line from Major Laegue...."These guys ain't so f***ing bad"

Love the drum thing.

 

[AM]

I'm not going to pretend that I'm a huge soccer fan, but today has been fun as a Canadian living in the US. Especially since I work with people from all over the world (who are big soccer fans) and they have been stopping by to congratulate me on the big victory (and rubbing it in my American coworkers face).

See, it’s fun to be on the right side of issues on occasion.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Herdman took it to the next level. Anyone who’s played for him raves about him, he’s that good.

Thats simply your opinion. Christine Sinclair indisputably transformed Canadian National team the moment she was on it. Thats indisputable opinion bucko..

 

[Drivesaitl]

Not a soccer fan but turned it on as I take lunch break from skiing...gotta say....I'm impressed.

To boorow a line from Major Laegue...."These guys ain't so f***ing bad"

Love the drum thing.

Wasn't is Iceland that rose the drum thing to some prominence. Not asking you specifically, but just the board. I agree its nice to involve the fans like that. Hamilton had a lot of atmosphere, Impressed. Would have been nice to have a full crowd though.

 

[Zenos]

Wasn't is Iceland that rose the drum thing to some prominence. Not asking you specifically, but just the board. I agree its nice to involve the fans like that. Hamilton had a lot of atmosphere, Impressed. Would have been nice to have a full crowd though.

Yep. Nobody knows exactly how and where it all started, with many supporters and clubs claiming it was their thing long before Iceland.

But there's no doubt that the Icelanders were the ones to make it go viral during Euro '16.

 

[Cloned]

Thats simply your opinion. Christine Sinclair indisputable transformed Canadian National team the moment she was on it. Thats indisputable opinion bucko..

Sinclair brought the talent, Herdman brought it all together.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Sinclair brought the talent, Herdman brought it all together.

For the mens team you're probably onto something. The Womens team was very good before and after Herdman and were very good starting the Milennium. It was a good gig for Herdman, and he parlayed it into a bigger one. Not saying at this point that he's not doing a good job, and seems to be doing a lot better job than Concacaf contemporaries. He's quite vocal and involved and um, passionate, you must like that. hehe

 

[Frank the Tank]

See, it’s fun to be on the right side of issues on occasion.

Nothing tops Crosby's golden goal from Vancouver 2010. All my American friends, coworkers, beer league teammates, etc... were chirping hard after the US beat Canada in the preliminary round. Apparently the gold was theirs for the taking after they dominated Finland in the semis. I was hungover that Monday, but really had a fun time taking victory laps among each group.

 

[Gopper]

For the mens team you're probably onto something. The Womens team was very good before and after Herdman and were very good starting the Milennium. It was a good gig for Herdman, and he parlayed it into a bigger one. Not saying at this point that he's not doing a good job, and seems to be doing a lot better job than Concacaf contemporaries. He's quite vocal and involved and um, passionate, you must like that. hehe

Herdman has been more successful with the Men's team than with the women's. Bev Priestman has been more successful than him with the women (I'm not saying she's a better coach).

Herdman has been fortunate to not only coach Sinclair in her prime but now, our Golden Generation of men.

He's clearly a great motivator and recruiter. I honestly think he's perfect as a national team coach. He definitely deserves a lot of credit but it's hard to overlook the talent he's had at his disposal.

 

[Cloned]

For the mens team you're probably onto something. The Womens team was very good before and after Herdman and were very good starting the Milennium. It was a good gig for Herdman, and he parlayed it into a bigger one. Not saying at this point that he's not doing a good job, and seems to be doing a lot better job than Concacaf contemporaries. He's quite vocal and involved and um, passionate, you must like that. hehe

I’ll take the opinion of almost every mens and womens player who’s played for him in Canada. He’s that good.

 

[AM]

Nothing tops Crosby's golden goal from Vancouver 2010. All my American friends, coworkers, beer league teammates, etc... were chirping hard after the US beat Canada in the preliminary round. Apparently the gold was theirs for the taking after they dominated Finland in the semis. I was hungover that Monday, but really had a fun time taking victory laps among each group.

I’ve been waiting a long time for the cmnt to be competitive, it does feel good. Hopefully the oilers can be inspired.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I’ll take the opinion of almost every mens and womens player who’s played for him in Canada. He’s that good.

Plurality according to Cloned. hehe. I've seen this movie before it seems. When in doubt say that everybody agrees with you and make massive appearances on call in shows to skew the look of public opinion.. Also post tons of thread starts with wacky polls.. Not that I'm tempting you to go to that well again. Temporal thought would be Herdman is god. Its how it goes with coaches. But their rep tends to golden or tarnish based on team results. I mean Joachim Low looked like an amazing coach for a long while. Now he picks his nose a lot..

 

[AM]

Plurality according to Cloned. hehe. I've seen this movie before it seems. When in doubt say that everybody agrees with you and make massive appearances on call in shows to skew the look of public opinion.. Also post tons of thread starts with wacky polls.. Not that I'm tempting you to go to that well again. Temporal thought would be Herdman is god. Its how it goes with coaches. But their rep tends to golden or tarnish based on team results. I mean Joachim Low looked like an amazing coach for a long while. Now he picks his nose a lot..

A coach is only as good as the players availability. Did he make those players? No. But he has made a team out of them. Hopefully the power houses in Europe and sa aren’t paying attention.

 

[Cloned]

Plurality according to Cloned. hehe. I've seen this movie before it seems. When in doubt say that everybody agrees with you and make massive appearances on call in shows to skew the look of public opinion.. Also post tons of thread starts with wacky polls.. Not that I'm tempting you to go to that well again. Temporal thought would be Herdman is god. Its how it goes with coaches. But their rep tends to golden or tarnish based on team results. I mean Joachim Low looked like an amazing coach for a long while. Now he picks his nose a lot..

What he’s done for soccer in this country has been transformative. You can argue he was simply the right man at the right time, but I think he deserves every bit of credit thrown his way.

 

[Drivesaitl]

A coach is only as good as the players availability. Did he make those players? No. But he has made a team out of them. Hopefully the power houses in Europe and sa aren’t paying attention.

Don't read his Wiki article. I think Cloned may have wrote it.
"Herdman LED the team to...." .

Its the players on the pitch getting it done and any coach without ego would defer to that. Davies has been an excellent player long before Herdman took over the club. He's been smart enough to pick good spots. He's a good coach. But this is a very good collection of players at his disposal. Past mens coaches in Canada didn't have this gold mine to work with.

 

[Drivesaitl]

What he’s done for soccer in this country has been transformative. You can argue he was simply the right man at the right time, but I think he deserves every bit of credit thrown his way.

Its just kind of funny to see because almost anybody familiar with the board would see you as coach killer type. We'll check in on your opinion in a year or two. The reality is that the Women's team didn't have any remarkable progression under Herdman. They were status quo if anything. I know the wiki reads a bit differently..

 

[Cloned]

Don't read his Wiki article. I think Cloned may have wrote it.
"Herdman LED the team to...." .

Its the players on the pitch getting it done and any coach without ego would defer to that. Davies has been an excellent player long before Herdman took over the club. He's been smart enough to pick good spots. He's a good coach. But this is a very good collection of players at his disposal. Past mens coaches in Canada didn't have this gold mine to work with.

Past coaches never gave a damn about the actual team. Herdman actually cares instead of just showing up for a paycheck. He’s keenly aware of his player selection pool. There’s a strong argument that Herdman was a major driving force in the recruitment of players like Eustaquio and the recognition of players like Vitoria and Johnston.

 

[Cloned]

Its just kind of funny to see because almost anybody familiar with the board would see you as coach killer type. We'll check in on your opinion in a year or two. The reality is that the Women's team didn't have any remarkable progression under Herdman. They were status quo if anything. I know the wiki reads a bit differently..

Like I said before, I just call it like I see it. If a coach is good, if a coach is bad, whatever the case. I’m usually right too.

 

[AM]

Past coaches never gave a damn about the actual team. Herdman actually cares instead of just showing up for a paycheck. He’s keenly aware of his player selection pool. There’s a strong argument that Herdman was a major driving force in the recruitment of players like Eustaquio and the recognition of players like Vitoria and Johnston.

Or maybe it was the automatic World Cup berth? Look, I like the guy but these sort of results are not sole sourced.