Canadian Government Freezing Hockey Canada Funding- (2018 Canada World Jr Team Alleged Sexual Assault)

[Tufted Titmouse]

I have very little regard for the statements. They are vague for the most part, and very unconvincing. I think you are correct that the woman had a horrible experience. Where I am unwilling to go is making judgements based on very limited information.

It's interesting that you are willing to question her character, but you are steadfast that we shouldn't make judgements on the accused. Feels a bit less like "wait and see" and a bit more like "I believe she's lying until a criminal court presses charges" to me.

 

[Suntouchable13]

So I guess this tactic was experienced by another woman at the bar.

Jesus, why would you want your friends to join you sharing a woman so badly? Boggles the mind.

 

[Lundmark17]

What really bothers me from the Athletic article is that some of these players brought golf clubs into the room. Just unreal.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

So what?

Do you think that that poster would choose the court of public opinion or the court of law for a proceeding which was my point.

Considering how you keep saying how a hockey forum knows Jack shit, I would think a lawyer would know more than you.

 

[loudi94]

So, I'm going to just look at this from a parental and societal lens. First, I'm going to exempt the young lady here. Having been in a profession that involves being around kids (and these are still kids) without exception, a young lady of that age has not the maturity to make an informed decision to willingly, happily allow herself to passed around to be used as a receptacle. So no one should ever put her in that position. It's disrespectful to say the least and more often than not, criminal.

To the young men involved....Well as a parent I'd be mortified as to how they treated that young lady. This is not normal behaviour. Having heard stories about "trains" more than I'd care to, it should become part of the discussion early on in a player's journey. A session with the players and their parents discussing the "social" aspects of having special status in a community and the responsibilities that come with that would do wonders.

I'm also noticing now that teams during draft interviews are trying to ascertain whether a player has more between the ears than just hockey. A shift in the culture would benefit everyone.

 

[Apex Predator]

 

[red devil]

An alleged sexual assault from 2003 World Junior team

 

[57special]

Jesus, why would you want your friends to join you sharing a woman so badly? Boggles the mind.

So much this ^.

I can totally understand the nuances of a situation where a young man and woman meet in a bar after multiple drinks, go to a hotel room and do their thing, with differing feelings afterwards.

What I don't get is the player who takes the woman to his room, gets his rocks off, then invites at least 7 (sounds like more came, but some begged off, probably out of disgust) of his buddies to the hotel room so that they use her like a piece of trash. Legality aside, those young men have shown a side of themselves that is pretty appalling. The fact that they have had others to cover their actions up at the cost of millions of public, or semi- public dollars , adds insult to injury.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Please, usual suspects, tell me how there’s not a rotten core to this hockey culture we have.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

An alleged sexual assault from 2003 World Junior team

That’s a pretty stacked roster isn’t it

 

[1specter]

Oh boy, the blindfolds are really coming off.

 

[Voight]

So I guess this tactic was experienced by another woman at the bar.

I don't get it. Whats with these guys and wanting to share girls. Like I'm sure its not hard for any of them to pull.

So much this ^.

I can totally understand the nuances of a situation where a young man and woman meet in a bar after multiple drinks, go to a hotel room and do their thing, with differing feelings afterwards.

What I don't get is the player who takes the woman to his room, gets his rocks off, then invites at least 7 (sounds like more came, but some begged off, probably out of disgust) of his buddies to the hotel room so that they use her like a piece of trash. Legality aside, those young men have shown a side of themselves that is pretty appalling. The fact that they have had others to cover their actions up at the cost of millions of public, or semi- public dollars , adds insult to injury.

This part is not true. Hockey Canada did that on their own.

 

[Silencio]

That’s a pretty stacked roster isn’t it

It is. MAF is the only currently active NHLer from that roster as far as I am aware.

 

[red devil]

That’s a pretty stacked roster isn’t it

The roster is easy to find online, I'm thinking Rick Westhead will have a story in the next few days since he contacted Hockey Canada.

 

[Transplanted Caper]

It's hard to imagine Hockey Canada getting their federal funding - or sponsorship money - back anytime soon. After what happened with the alleged incident in London, I'm betting there will be a ton of pressure on those on that year's team to release statements. ~20 years later it's hard to imagine any criminal investigation going anywhere, but those connected with the team won't be able to wait it out in silence, either. I don't like going player-by-player parsing statements, I don't really find that helpful either here or in London, but I'm betting that'll be the expectation.

 

[Dr Pepper]

An alleged sexual assault from 2003 World Junior team

Can't wait to hear Colaiacovo's take on this, next week on TSN 1050 here in Toronto.

Should have lots to say.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

An alleged sexual assault from 2003 World Junior team

I said it at the time when the Beach story came out -- that was just the beginning of what was going to come out and stories upon stories like these will surface.

That's just how the culture of hockey and the majority within it is. Most hockey players are cocky, macho jocks/jerks.

And yes, I know that applies to other sports and walks of life. As well as painting a broad brush. But we're talking hockey, hence the narrowed focus, and that's just how it is and I just can't buy any rebuttals suggesting otherwise.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

That’s a pretty stacked roster isn’t it

I don't think it was:

Team Canada - U20 World Championships 2003 - Player Stats

Team Canada stats, scoring leaders and demographics breakdown at U20 World Championships in 2003. Player birth country and age distributions, draft rounds of players in the 2003 tournament.

www.quanthockey.com

 

[MXD]

That's just how the culture of hockey and the majority within it is. Most hockey players are cocky, macho jocks/jerks.

And yes, I know that applies to other sports and walks of life. As well as painting a broad brush. But we're talking hockey, hence the narrowed focus, and that's just how it is and I just can't buy any rebuttals suggesting otherwise.

I mean, imagine being a teenager and knowing there won't be actual consequences for your acts.

It is. MAF is the only currently active NHLer from that roster as far as I am aware.

I mean, those guys are pretty old by now.

 

[WarriorofTime]

People talk about presumption of innocence and then try to use that to claim the police "cleared" everyone and "determined" there was consent. Blatant lie.

I don't see a problem - here is the link to the pics. It's not legal evidence or anything like that. None of these people are guilty of anything for being in these pics, they are just celebrating in a bar. I have similar pictures partying in Ottawa with a few players but I didn't post them publically because I may or may not have been legally allowed in a bar at that point....

From the reddit thread:

The players I recognize are: Drake Batherson, Jake Bean, Brett Howden, Maxime Comtois, Jonah Gadjovich, Dante Fabbro, Dillon Dubé, Michael McLeod, and Colton Point​

How does that overlap with the list of players that gave evasive or non-firm answers (i.e., "i didn't do anything wrong" as opposed to "I wasn't there" type of stuff?)

 

[Adrianopolous]

Team Canada - U20 World Championships 2003 - Player Stats

Team Canada stats, scoring leaders and demographics breakdown at U20 World Championships in 2003. Player birth country and age distributions, draft rounds of players in the 2003 tournament.

www.quanthockey.com

I believe Marc André Fleury is the only one still active from 02/03

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

How does that overlap with the list of players that gave evasive or non-firm answers (i.e., "i didn't do anything wrong" as opposed to "I wasn't there" type of stuff?)

I won't go name by name, but most of those players either haven't given a statement, or have given softer statements.

 

[WeThreeKings]

That’s a pretty stacked roster isn’t it

You're thinking of the '03 draft.

 

[howkie]

So, Westhead for Hart, Vezina (for saving the hockey) and Masterton trophy next season?
Strang for Ted Lindsay

Intressting what reporters who dont suck up for the league dig up...

 

[Amadeus]

Pandora's box has been opened. It's great that these things come out for a full fledged reform and drastic changes.