Canadian Government Freezing Hockey Canada Funding- (2018 Canada World Jr Team Alleged Sexual Assault)

[Isles72]

Soooo what do the remaining players have to say for themselves.

I'm most curious to know who the ring leader is

 

[SensFactor]

I'm most curious to know who the ring leader is

Same here...I don't think we will ever know...there is going to be some uneasiness when these players come to camp for their respective teams

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Have we heard from Drake Batherson or Alex Formenton?

 

[A1LeafNation]

Not looking good for these guys...

Hart
Bean
Dube
Katchouk
Batherson
McLeod
Formenton

 

[Rabid Ranger]

So in a court hockey Canada could be held responsible for something players did to this girl… the lawyer got together and decided that was the easiest way FW hockey Canada can’t pay or protect anyone if they aren’t being sued… I had a Q team in my town and back then there would be 2 guy per room and girls would wait in line at he local motel waiting for there turn to get F… billet mom sucking player on the way to practice there a lot of wild stuff that happen and most of it is completely consensual but I can also definitely see thing getting out of hand…

Tea with Miss McGill?

 

[Zippity]

 

[Mikah]

Not looking good for these guys...

Hart
Bean
Dube
Katchouk
Batherson
McLeod
Formenton

Yea... except for Victor Mete who actually has a bullet-proof alibi, pretty much all the other statements have not been verified and are potentially not true.

If anything, making a statement now could be seen as a proof that someone feels the need to hide stuff. If you have nothing to blame yourself, perhaps you don't feel the need to claim your innocence.

Anyways, I have seen a very good legal analysis on the whole thing. First of all, you can bet none of the 8 players will ever admit anything, because that could lead to criminal charges. And would mean that their career would be over. You can bet they will keep their mouth shut.

Both the NHL and the Hockey Canada association investigations are not police investigations. So the players can say whatever they want, and provide as little proofs as they want. No one can legally force them to say anything that would incriminate them. And lying is not obstruction of justice. Chances are, nothing will come out of this, other then Hockey Canada saying they will change their approach and how they use their funds.

That leaves the victim, who likely decided to sign a non-disclosure agreement for money. While nothing prevent her from going to the police to file criminal charges, she likely wants to move on, and keep her money. Otherwise, whatever is in the contract could result in her loosing a lot of money, essentially just for revenge at this point.

 

[Transplanted Caper]

Exactly. It should have been police matter for starters and NO HC involvement. And the biggest circle jerk now will be Hockey Canada executive with the government politicians.

The allegations stem from an event originally hosted by Hockey Canada. They were the ones contacted by the woman's step-father. They called the police and then launched - what would turn out to be a half-assed - investigation. They were involved from the beginning.

The second comment about the Committee is just fundamentally ignorant.

 

[Comely]

The allegations stem from an event originally hosted by Hockey Canada. They were the ones contacted by the woman's step-father. They called the police and then launched - what would turn out to be a half-assed - investigation. They were involved from the beginning.

The second comment about the Committee is just fundamentally ignorant.

You can call the investigation half assed but how do you do a proper investigation of this unless the victim cooperates, which I have seen articles that implied she wasn't. Sure you could get the hotels video for the halls but that only proves who went into the room not what was done, you can question the people who went in and they instantly lawyer up and say nothing. So what would you do next? You will never get a conviction with what you can get without the victim being willing to take the stand.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

You can call the investigation half assed but how do you do a proper investigation of this unless the victim cooperates, which I have seen articles that implied she wasn't. Sure you could get the hotels video for the halls but that only proves who went into the room not what was done, you can question the people who went in and they instantly lawyer up and say nothing. So what would you do next? You will never get a conviction with what you can get without the victim being willing to take the stand.

Then don't pay the settlement.

 

[Transplanted Caper]

You can call the investigation half assed but how do you do a proper investigation of this unless the victim cooperates, which I have seen articles that implied she wasn't. Sure you could get the hotels video for the halls but that only proves who went into the room not what was done, you can question the people who went in and they instantly lawyer up and say nothing. So what would you do next? You will never get a conviction with what you can get without the victim being willing to take the stand.

It was literally half-assed. They didn't finish it.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Tough read posted this morning in The Athletic.

One night in London: Allegations of sexual assault and a reckoning for Hockey Canada

The Parliament of Canada is scrutinizing what the organization did and didn't do upon learning of the allegations.

theathletic.com

 

[Craigo85]

I have never, ever read anything... any statement that the police believes this girl consented. And I believe I have read them all. That's a pretty heinous accusation you are throwing there.

A lot of posts in this thread, particularly in the last 24 hours, illstrate why it's so difficult for victims to come forward when they know they'll be sullied and blamed for what happened to them.

99% of the population may say they are anti-rape, but a lot of the indifference and insensitive victim-blaming we are seeing in this thread suggest that the percentage of people who are careful about not perpetuating rape culture is a lot lower than that.

I haven't been reading this thread as much recently, but without counting the actual posters (not # of posts as some victim blamers posted a lot) my feeling from this thread has been:

~75% calling the players rapists
~5% victim blaming
~20% saying let the process play out or pointing out you shouldn't be calling the players rapists because there is 0 evidence she was raped (just her testimony) while there is some evidence that she wasn't (the videos + texts) + she didn't want to participate in any police or other investigations.

 

[Comely]

Then don't pay the settlement.

Maybe she said she would cooperate with the police if they didnt or maybe it was just cheaper then the court costs, I dont know and havent read any of the details on why it was paid.

It was literally half-assed. They didn't finish it.

What was left to do? I gave you an example of how quickly this investigation grinds to a halt with out the victim's cooperation and your response is 'do more'

 

[Transplanted Caper]

What was left to do? I gave you an example of how quickly this investigation grinds to a halt with out the victim's cooperation and your response is 'do more'

Compel the players to talk?
Investigate who was drinking underage at the banquet?
Find out the HC officials who knew what happened at the banquet and if they knew what players went where after?
Find out a timeline of who found out what after the fact and what they did about it?

HC sat in front of the Committee and said the report was so incomplete that it came to NO conclusions. NONE.

That's half-assed. On purpose.

 

[Comely]

Compel the players to talk?
Investigate who was drinking underage at the banquet?
Find out the HC officials who knew what happened at the banquet and if they knew what players went where after?
Find out a timeline of who found out what after the fact and what they did about it?

HC sat in front of the Committee and said the report was so incomplete that it came to NO conclusions. NONE.

That's half-assed. On purpose.

you cant compel the players to talk, regardless they all say she consented. Its not like you can hold them till they break or anything.

They most likely did speak to the HC officials who probably knew nothing beyond hersay, its not like they were in the room watching.

I mean there is no nefarious plot by the police here to protect these kids, there is no physical evidence you will not get a conviction regardless of the amount of time and effort you put in without the victim. How much tax payer money do you want to spend on a case that has a 0% chance of getting any sort of charges to stick?

 

[Craigo85]

A couple things for people from the Athletic article:

1) it doesn't sound like Hockey Canada sat on this news very long
2) They addressed this as much as they could in 2018: called police& tried to investigate. Their investigation may have been half-assed (by not threatening being blacklisted from future HC events), but the victim didn't participate, so how would they learn who did it?
3) the victim never pursued anything until April 2022, so HC didn't sweep this under the rug for 4 years

At some point that morning, while they were on the course, the then-stepfather of the young woman who said she was sexually assaulted called a Hockey Canada human resources employee, according to Parliamentary testimony by Hockey Canada CEO Tom Renney.

Renney and president Scott Smith were likely in the air already, flying back to Calgary. Once they were on the ground, they learned of the alleged assaults, according to their testimony.

Within a few hours, at approximately 4 p.m. in London, Smith and Renney reviewed the information with Hockey Canada’s senior vice president of risk management and insurance, who then contacted someone from Henein Hutchison, a law firm, as well as a representative from Hockey Canada’s insurance company.

A couple of hours later, at around 6 p.m., a representative from Hockey Canada contacted the London Police, according to Smith’s Parliamentary testimony.

The events of June 2018 would have gone unknown to the general public if the young woman involved in the alleged sexual assaults hadn’t filed a civil suit with the Ontario Superior Court of Justice on April 22, 2022.

 

[wetcoast]

To say there was a binary choice says nothing about their motives. You're putting words into peoples mouths.

That's what the poster does and if you don't agree with them 100% then you will be labeled.

The telling thing is that people are making assumptions then coming to conclusions without any evidence or even contrary to the evidence that it known.

This is what a mob mentality internet court of opinion witch hunt is like and what purpose it serves is beyond me.

How about people let the process and facts work out instead of pretending that they know what happened and what is fully happening as none of us do.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Tough read posted this morning in The Athletic.

One night in London: Allegations of sexual assault and a reckoning for Hockey Canada

The Parliament of Canada is scrutinizing what the organization did and didn't do upon learning of the allegations.

theathletic.com

Dang, I just let my Athletic sub lapse. Might be worth resubbing for a month.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

That's what the poster does and if you don't agree with them 100% then you will be labeled.

The telling thing is that people are making assumptions then coming to conclusions without any evidence or even contrary to the evidence that it known.

This is what a mob mentality internet court of opinion witch hunt is like and what purpose it serves is beyond me.

How about people let the process and facts work out instead of pretending that they know what happened and what is fully happening as none of us do.

Complete misrepresentation. There is no witch hunt. Persecution complex is strong in some.

 

[wetcoast]

Pretty obvious based on the statements who was in the room. Things are really circling up and heating up around the guilty. Their reputations are likely soiled forever but if they can avoid legal trouble it's likely their hockey careers can go forward.

The guilty?

What are they guilty of?

Bad or deviant behavior?

Or criminal guilt?

Some big conclusions here or maybe you don't have all the facts or if you do perhaps you might share them?

Their reputations probably will be soiled regardless of the actual facts of the matter that's something most can agree upon.

 

[wetcoast]

Complete misrepresentation. There is no witch hunt. Persecution complex is strong in some.

You obviously haven't read this thread and the countdown on the WJH teams players making statements and the situation where it's CHL players and perhaps not all 8 where from the team?

Something obviously happened in that room but we don't know to put it in a clumsy manner if it was a disagreement about a gang bang or a rape or something in between.

Yet multiple people in this thread have called them rapists and have a loose connection with the actual facts that we don know.

If that's not a witch hunt what is it exactly?

 

[57special]

The guilty?

What are they guilty of?

Bad or deviant behavior?

Or criminal guilt?

Some big conclusions here or maybe you don't have all the facts or if you do perhaps you might share them?

Their reputations probably will be soiled regardless of the actual facts of the matter that's something most can agree upon.

Of course their reputations will be soiled. Actions have consequences. You seem to be more worried about the reputation of the 8 players who gang banged a woman, than the woman who was assaulted.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

The guilty?

What are they guilty of?

Bad or deviant behavior?

Or criminal guilt?

Some big conclusions here or maybe you don't have all the facts or if you do perhaps you might share them?

Their reputations probably will be soiled regardless of the actual facts of the matter that's something most can agree upon.

No one's reputations have been soiled yet. I've seen zero articles about specific players and punishment. We're all waiting to see how this unravels. Save your outrage. Some of us are just choosing to believe the victim, this doesn't mean we're assuming the role of judge and jury.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

You obviously haven't read this thread and the countdown on the WJH teams players making statements and the situation where it's CHL players and perhaps not all 8 where from the team?

Something obviously happened in that room but we don't know to put it in a clumsy manner if it was a disagreement about a gang bang or a rape or something in between.

Yet multiple people in this thread have called them rapists and have a loose connection with the actual facts that we don know.

If that's not a witch hunt what is it exactly?

When a woman says she was fed drinks all night, carried to a bedroom, then surrounded by 8 men who took turns sexually assaulting her, I choose to believe her. You seem to have chosen to believe the players, including ones who have not made a statement yet (strange?). If her story is corroborated, then yes, she was raped, even if she didn't say no.

And if no one corraborates that she was unable to consent or intimidated, I still question the ethics of what happened in that room, even if it can't be proven from a criminal standpoint. The fact that there was a settlement and an apology from Hockey Canada is not a great start for those with your belief.

You are taking our belief in the victim's statements (and the settlement+apology) and conflating it with us saying they should be tarred and feathered and thrown in jail with no due process....you are creating a stance for us so you can be outraged, and it simply doesn't reflect reality.