Canadian Government Freezing Hockey Canada Funding- (2018 Canada World Jr Team Alleged Sexual Assault)

[Spearmint Rhino]

4 am of the 19th to 11 am on the 20th is 31 hours. Does the fact that he says "after sunday" not tip anyone off that it wasnt the same morning? Otherwise he would've said after last night.

Good point and even more of a reason to not believe he grew a conscience 31 hrs later to check in on her. Word had gotten to him through some channel. Even the texts look like they were coached

 

[4thline]

So next time they should sign a contract beforehand? Might not be enough though because they could have made her sign it.

You're joking, but you're actually right. Take the sex out of the situation, apply the same parameters, drunk and vulnerable in a hotel room with 8 much larger people and there's a very very good chance that any contract signed between those videos would be voided by a judge on balance of probabilities that it was signed under duress/ she was not capable.

Hence why they settled so damn fast. They'd lose a civil case. But... the bar for criminal court being that much higher it would be hard to convict.

 

[NotProkofievian]

My comments about consent were about the videos that were released.

They’ll use the text exchange to absolutely discredit her by painting her as untruthful and deceptive. They’ll point out that she recanted her claims to law enforcement.

They will also paint her as promiscuous as you said.

Her lawyer can refute it by saying she was pressured and gaslit by the player.

Bottom line is that it’s going to get ugly.

That wouldn't really be discrediting her, just her account of the events in question, which could be a legitimate defence. That's very different from something like character assassination.

I agree this is going to get ugly, these things tend to.

 

[Alicat]

That wouldn't really be discrediting her, just her account of the events in question, which could be a legitimate defence. That's very different from something like character assassination.

I agree this is going to get ugly, these things tend to.

It depends on how ruthless the defense teams want to be but I wouldn’t put it past at least one of them to go after her character full stop.

What I want to know is how did the guys learn about videotaping after an encounter to establish consent?

 

[catnip]

Those text messages don't really read to me like they were written by a junior hockey player who's completely unexpectedly been accused of something horrible he didn't do. The tone is a bit too measured, though the typos are a nice touch. A cynic could suggest maybe this wasn't their first rodeo.

 

[NotProkofievian]

It depends on how ruthless the defense teams want to be but I wouldn’t put it past at least one of them to go after her character full stop.

What I want to know is how did the guys learn about videotaping after an encounter to establish consent?

Unfortunately, it's become a thing. I read an Yle article about it (finnish public broadcaster) where they were discussing where the trend came from and whether it would even be an admissible defence. It's concerning that that's where we seem to be headed.

 

[tmlmatus]

I feel bad for the girl cause she obviously didn't want this to get much more attention beyond settling out of court.

I understand why Hockey Canada has to do this; just really sucks for her all around.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

It depends on how ruthless the defense teams want to be but I wouldn’t put it past at least one of them to go after her character full stop.

What I want to know is how did the guys learn about videotaping after an encounter to establish consent?

Likely from an agent/lawyer retained by said agent. They would likely put them through a whole cover your ass seminar before getting drafted. It is part of the whole turning players into robots in front of a camera thing.

 

[BMOK33]

My comments about consent were about the videos that were released.

They’ll use the text exchange to absolutely discredit her by painting her as untruthful and deceptive. They’ll point out that she recanted her claims to law enforcement.

They will also paint her as promiscuous as you said.

Her lawyer can refute it by saying she was pressured and gaslit by the player.

Bottom line is that it’s going to get ugly.

I don’t expect any real discipline comes from this for anyone because it’s going to be simply too hard to piece everything together so to me this is just a crusade that will be a dead end

 

[Reality Czech]

The men who do this kind of shit can rot in hell if what we think happened, happened.

And what if what you think happened didn't actually happen? The fact that some people are so obsessed with this case is a bit disturbing. There is a legal process for a reason and I don't think a bunch of amateur "sleuths" on a hockey forum are gonna crack the case by themselves.

Yeah, we all wanna know what happened and if wrongdoing is proven then the involved parties should be punished. But all of this speculation, trying to cross names off a list based on limited statements and displays of moral superiority is quite disturbing as well. How about everyone chill out and let the process play out?

 

[Zippity]

Did Kanes accuser receive any money?

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

I don’t expect any real discipline comes from this for anyone because it’s going to be simply too hard to piece everything together so to me this is just a crusade that will be a dead end

I disagree. I’m guessing many of these players are going to face discipline of some kind… a suspension by the NHL at minimum, having their contracts voided at maximum.

This is now just too big a story for it to be swept under the rug.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

Those text messages don't really read to me like they were written by a junior hockey player who's completely unexpectedly been accused of something horrible he didn't do. The tone is a bit too measured, though the typos are a nice touch. A cynic could suggest maybe this wasn't their first rodeo.

Makes sure not to apologize. Check
Makes sure to add in “tell the truth”. Check
Makes sure not to question her when she says she was drunk despite having her on video saying she was sober. Check

 

[Masked]

According the the source these texts were from the morning after the encounter took place and it was her mom that had called the police. No one outside of the family, except for the police, knew at the time. Highly unlikely he was tipped off.

It wasn't the morning after. It was over 24 hours later that he first texted her.

Assen na yo!

 

[Zippity]

More players step forward in Hockey Canada sex assault investigation

Coyotes defenceman Connor Timmins is the 14th player from Canada’s 2018 world junior team of 22 to comment publicly. Some have proclaimed innocence. Most have promised co-operation.

www.thestar.com

From lawyer Scott K. Fenton, speaking for Clague, Bean and Hart: “None of the players you reference engaged in any wrongdoing, all of the players co-operated fully with the independent London Police Service investigation in 2018, and all players were then cleared of any wrongdoing.”

A separate query from Global News got a similar response from Fenton. That one included free-agent goalie Colton Point, Jordan Kyrou of the Blues and Taylor Raddysh of the Blackhawks, who like Clague, Bean and Hart are represented by the Wasserman Group.

 

[1specter]

Sam Steel's agent made a statement as well. The wording is interesting though, not quite outright denial like Makar or Thomas.

 

[Evergreen]

More players step forward in Hockey Canada sex assault investigation

Coyotes defenceman Connor Timmins is the 14th player from Canada’s 2018 world junior team of 22 to comment publicly. Some have proclaimed innocence. Most have promised co-operation.

www.thestar.com

From lawyer Scott K. Fenton, speaking for Clague, Bean and Hart: “None of the players you reference engaged in any wrongdoing, all of the players co-operated fully with the independent London Police Service investigation in 2018, and all players were then cleared of any wrongdoing.”

A separate query from Global News got a similar response from Fenton. That one included free-agent goalie Colton Point, Jordan Kyrou of the Blues and Taylor Raddysh of the Blackhawks, who like Clague, Bean and Hart are represented by the Wasserman Group.

Did the police investigation actually clear any of these people of wrongdoing as is being claimed? Or merely determine that without the victim’s cooperation they didn’t have enough info to file charges against anyone?

 

[trick9]

More players step forward in Hockey Canada sex assault investigation

Coyotes defenceman Connor Timmins is the 14th player from Canada’s 2018 world junior team of 22 to comment publicly. Some have proclaimed innocence. Most have promised co-operation.

www.thestar.com

From lawyer Scott K. Fenton, speaking for Clague, Bean and Hart: “None of the players you reference engaged in any wrongdoing, all of the players co-operated fully with the independent London Police Service investigation in 2018, and all players were then cleared of any wrongdoing.”

A separate query from Global News got a similar response from Fenton. That one included free-agent goalie Colton Point, Jordan Kyrou of the Blues and Taylor Raddysh of the Blackhawks, who like Clague, Bean and Hart are represented by the Wasserman Group.

They don't actually deny that they were present.

 

[Zippity]

Did the police investigation actually clear any of these people of wrongdoing as is being claimed? Or merely determine that without the victim’s cooperation they didn’t have enough info to file charges against anyone?

Psi from the players and $$$ to no longer cooperate?

 

[Dr Pepper]

Sam Steel's agent made a statement as well. The wording is interesting though, not quite outright denial like Makar or Thomas.

Ok so he was most definitely in the room then, based on the vague wording used there.

I wonder who else was present for the assault and didn't say anything.

 

[Zippity]

Any comments from the Hawks organization having 2 more players under investigation?

 

[AlaBlueShirt]

All the people saying “I have a daughter and ….”

What if you have a son? You have a son who’s a great respectful kid. He does everything right and is a gentleman and has sex with a willing , sober , consensual partner and the next morning she “withdraws consent” (as it can be withdrawn after the fact). She sues your son, charges him criminally , he does jail time , has a record , loses his job, his friends, his scholarship etc. and is labeled as a rapist.


Withdrawn consent after the fact is f***ing scary. Parents of good sons / daughters should be very worried now.

Yeah but your point isn’t valid at all when your son was with 7 of his friends, am I right?

 

[Bevans]

Did the police investigation actually clear any of these people of wrongdoing as is being claimed? Or merely determine that without the victim’s cooperation they didn’t have enough info to file charges against anyone?

Police investigations are conducted to assess the prospects of obtaining a guilty verdict, not to prove people innocent.

The two options in court are guilty or not guilty.

 

[WillTheThrill]

Walls seem to be closing in on the eight. Only a matter of time before the hockey world knows their names.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Yeah but your point isn’t valid at all when your son was with 7 of his friends, am I right?

Why isn't it valid?