Canadian Government Freezing Hockey Canada Funding- (2018 Canada World Jr Team Alleged Sexual Assault)

[Johnny Canucker]

There really is nothing you won’t take the other side of to argue online.

What’s the other side? You either want to be self serving or don’t read well. I just said in 3 posts I’m disgusted by the guys that did this. I don’t think they should play another pro game ever again. It’s disgusting. What else do you want?

I get it’s cool to be “woke” but this is beyond terrible. Literally just read my last 3-4 posts.

Insane the lengths people will go to , to be more woke than the next

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

Hilarious.....just a wee over the top methinks!

Uh

What’s the other side? You either want to be self serving or don’t read well. I just said in 3 posts I’m disgusted by the guys that did this. I don’t think they should play another pro game ever again. It’s disgusting. What else do you want?

I get it’s cool to be “woke” but this is beyond terrible. Literally just read my last 3-4 posts.

Insane the lengths people will go to , to be more woke than the next

I’m not playing your bullshit game

 

[Quinton Byfield]

The "nothing is proven" and "how do we know it was not consensual" people will be nowhere to be found when this goes far enough.

Instead, they're too busy being mad that people care about this case. As if because they don't care, they don't understand why others do. Instead of doing any sort of self-analysis and personal growth, they accuse people of having "moral superiority". I can't even begin to understand the mental gymnastics, the erroneous world view to reach that conclusion.

 

[Schooner Guy]

You cut a (modest) check and 'expect' to walk away from the issue with non-disclosure statements set in place - saves money in the long run.

It's disgusting, immoral and an affront to God; but it is an established part of our society. Unfortunately man is made to live in the hell he creates. Like a nightmare. Namaste

Right. But they're not cutting that cheque and bypassing insurance (which Hockey Canada pays millions per year into for liability protection) if the complainant doesn't have a solid case. Otherwise they'd be cutting cheques left, right and centre.

 

[Cloned]

For sure it should be. A girl (or guy) says “you know what …. Stop. I don’t wanna do this anymore” I expect my kid, anyones kid to immediately stop and listen to their partner. 100%.

Unfortunately I’ve read many times today that withdrawn consent can literally be the next day as well. To me that’s nuts.

Where are you reading that it can be withdrawn well after the act?

Regardless, any claim still has to be investigated and proven. It’s not like someone can just regret it, claim withdrawn consent a week later, and expect that a police investigation will actually uphold their claim.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

Well a gangbang never happened before.

My old boss used to have a saying whenever you were thinking of making a questionable decision

Picture yourself on the witness stand and the judge looks at you and says "and at what point Mr. Joker did you realize what you were doing was wrong".

If the answer isn't at no point don't do it

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

The Bible recommends rapists be stoned to death.

These boys got off lightly.

The Bible says a lot of things. Look deep enough into the abyss and you will only find yourself looking back at you. Learn to be more honest with yourself and the world will become a more honest place.

 

[RoadWarrior]

Survival is survival.

I'm a moderately strong guy and mature enough to have confidence. But if I'm isolated in a room with 7-9 athletes in their prime and ready to f*** me up, I'd be willing to be recorded and say I'm Napoleon Bonaparte or Lady Gaga, if this allows me to get away or put an end to the nightmare I'm living. I would say anything, and so would anyone who is intimidated. Including this girl.



This isn't evidence of consent at all. This will never hold in court because she is still in the room, in danger when this is filmed. This was just a PR stunt by lawyers who are trying to intimidate this girl by swaying a few people like you who don't know any better.

The video if recorded in the players presence means absolutely nothing. In fact it would raise more questions than answers. Namely why would such a video be recorded in the first place? Most consensual acts don’t come with legal disclaimers unless it’s adult film.

I’m not saying that it isn’t authentic but unless her story stayed the same it means nothing.

 

[JackieDaytona]

If she was drunk and co-erced which seeing Hockey Canada investigated and settled instead of fighting the allegations in court is probably true, she was never in a place to give consent in a moral or legal sense. The players had a responsibility to not engage her sexually while she was intoxicated and failed. If they had waited until she was sober and did not co-erce or intimidate her at all there would be proper consent and thus no wrongdoing.

We don’t know about that. You are speculating here about consent, coercion and intimidation. The video described earlier in this thread paints a different picture. Regret and remorse rather than a lack of consent. I get the sense that all involved, including the woman, made mistakes and have regrets about the incident. Maybe this is a case of assault and rape but it certainly seems much more grey than. Initial police investigation didn’t think it was rape. I guess when we have more information we’ll be able to get a better sense of what actually happened.

HC may have paid not because they felt there was guilt on the part of players, but rather because they didn’t want to deal with PR fallout resulting (even if they believed players were innocent of any crime), and because it’s easier to pay a settlement than pay legal fees over a long protracted case.

It should be noted that this(more so in the US) practice of settling even when being sure of innocence is extremely common, especially for successful businesses and people. Settlements paid should not be consider an indirect admission of guilt, but rather could be viewed as an adversity to engaging with predatory litigious folks, many of whom are opportunistic and unethical. The rampant speculation, virtue signaling, and racing to the gallows in this thread is over the top. Comparing this event and these people to Brock Turner, who literally carried an unconscious woman into the alley and brutally raped and assaulted her, is absurd and sensationalist.

 

[Korpse]

Rick westhead on Twitter today quoted somebody (maybe a doctor?) and it was saying something like that.

This Tweet?



It's not saying what you are suggesting.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Seven players in Hockey Canada investigation have refused to comment or been unavailable to be reached

Alex Formenton
Max Comtois
Tyler Steenburgen
Drake Batherson
Michael McLeod
Boris Katchouk
Brett Howden

That’s updated now with sam Steele agent recently coming out saying Steele wasn’t part of the misconduct. So it’s getting narrowed down but now that it’s under 8…. Is someone lying ?

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

The Bible says a lot of things. Look deep enough into the abyss and you will only find yourself looking back at you. Learn to be more honest with yourself and the world will become a more honest place.

I've read better shit from fortune cookies.

The bolded is a Nietzsche quote, Nietzsche, who hated Christianity, so i find it amusing you imply you're quoting Scripture.

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

Right. But they're not cutting that cheque and bypassing insurance (which Hockey Canada pays millions per year into for liability protection) if the complainant doesn't have a solid case. Otherwise they'd be cutting cheques left, right and centre.

You think this was the only incident where they payed out? Lmao.

I said it before and it was mocked ruthlessly. If you really, really want to get to the root of the issue and change the sport 'for the better' the sport will no longer exist. The product is the players.

 

[JoeSakic13]

The Bible says a lot of things. Look deep enough into the abyss and you will only find yourself looking back at you. Learn to be more honest with yourself and the world will become a more honest place.

I mean I probably would have brought up that weird part where a guy tried to convince men to rape his daughters instead of angels.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Seven players in Hockey Canada investigation have refused to comment or been unavailable to be reached

Alex Formenton
Max Comtois
Tyler Steenburgen
Drake Batherson
Michael McLeod
Boris Katchouk
Brett Howden

That’s updated now with sam Steele agent recently coming out saying Steele wasn’t part of the misconduct. So it’s getting narrowed down but now that it’s under 8…. Is someone lying ?

1. There is nothing saying all 8 were part of the junior team. The 8 were all CHL players.
2. Hart, Bean, and Dube also gave vague responses.

 

[Korpse]

So it’s getting narrowed down but now that it’s under 8…. Is someone lying ?

There's a number of carefully worded statements that don't outright deny involvement. This is a reminder that Robert Thomas would have been on that list 12 hours ago. Stop trying to narrow it down, allow the process to play out.

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

I've read better shit from fortune cookies.

The bolded is a Nietzsche quote, Nietzsche, who hated Christianity, so i find it amusing you imply you're quoting Scripture.

You fail to see the forest for the trees. Whether you agree with someone/something or not (hate/love) you sould learn to realize that it's all information that runs through a single point in space and time aka "I" or "you" (from my perspective.)

Stop worrying about matters of the ego. Attachment is the root of suffering. Learn to let go

 

[Jeune Poulet]

Settlements paid should not be consider an indirect admission of guilt, but rather could be viewed as an adversity to engaging with predatory litigious folks, many of whom are opportunistic and unethical.

Thanks Jackie for showing us the way! Our gang-banging youth is in grave danger because of evil predatory, litigious girls!

If seven guys can't sneak up in a room and have their way with a stranger without her having a say in it, where are we going as a society?

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

I mean I probably would have brought up that weird part where a guy tried to convince men to rape his daughters instead of angels.

I've read a lot about Brian Sakic but this one in new to me. Go on..

 

[The Marquis]

If seven guys can't sneak up in a room and have their way with a stranger without her having a say in it, where are we going as a society?

Boy am I ever glad to have made choices in my life where this wasn't an issue for me.

Truly mind blowing stuff how this happens. 1 dude goes and has sex with consent with a gal and it turns into 7 of his friends also having sex with her and none of them were like "bruh... maybe this isn't a good idea"

 

[trick9]

Seven players in Hockey Canada investigation have refused to comment or been unavailable to be reached

Alex Formenton
Max Comtois
Tyler Steenburgen
Drake Batherson
Michael McLeod
Boris Katchouk
Brett Howden

That’s updated now with sam Steele agent recently coming out saying Steele wasn’t part of the misconduct. So it’s getting narrowed down but now that it’s under 8…. Is someone lying ?

There are some who have came out with a statement but that doesn't really mean they can't be involved.

“Dillon did not engage in any wrongdoing, and he co-operated fully with the independent London Police Service investigation in 2018, through which all players were then cleared of any wrongdoing,” wrote Dubé’s agent, Dave Cowan.''

Is Dube cleared after this statement?

 

[Johnny Canucker]

There's a number of carefully worded statements that don't outright deny involvement. This is a reminder that Robert Thomas would have been on that list 12 hours ago. Stop trying to narrow it down, allow the process to play out.

Well here’s the issue. This is a chat room…. So it’s sole purpose is to …. Chat about stuff. If we all just sat quiet , there wouldn’t be much use for this site.

 

[The Marquis]

There are some who have came out with a statement but that doesn't really mean they can't be involved.

“Dillon did not engage in any wrongdoing, and he co-operated fully with the independent London Police Service investigation in 2018, through which all players were then cleared of any wrongdoing,” wrote Dubé’s agent, Dave Cowan.''

Is Dube cleared after this statement?

Well, that depends on your opinion of the 2018 investigation by the London police.

 

[Cloned]

There are some who have came out with a statement but that doesn't really mean they can't be involved.

“Dillon did not engage in any wrongdoing, and he co-operated fully with the independent London Police Service investigation in 2018, through which all players were then cleared of any wrongdoing,” wrote Dubé’s agent, Dave Cowan.''

Is Dube cleared after this statement?

Honestly, that statement makes it sound like he was involved. If he wasn’t involved at all, then his agent didn’t word it very well.

 

[A1LeafNation]

There are some who have came out with a statement but that doesn't really mean they can't be involved.

“Dillon did not engage in any wrongdoing, and he co-operated fully with the independent London Police Service investigation in 2018, through which all players were then cleared of any wrongdoing,” wrote Dubé’s agent, Dave Cowan.''

Is Dube cleared after this statement?

I don't think that's sufficient. Cleared of wrongdoing is why they opened this case back up. It actually makes him look more guilty not less.