Canadian Government Freezing Hockey Canada Funding- (2018 Canada World Jr Team Alleged Sexual Assault)

[ACLEVERNAME]

"You will make a statement"
"You will deny any and all involvement"
"You will label this a henious and despicable act.
Even in stating your innocence you will bow to the non-existant mask of authority.

Do what "we" say and you will continue to be allowed to enjoy your privalages.

This has gone so much farther than bringing 8 perverts to justice - now all about bringing the innocent to kneel. It's both hilarious and devastating to watch in real time. People have no clue what's really going on.

 

[BayStBullies]

I pray for the women in the lives of some of the users in this thread

I'm sure there are none

 

[bert]

Except you didn’t do that, and instead immediately sided with the accused over accuser. Good try though.

Nope.I didn't do that. I said I want to see an actual court trial and testimony from the parties involved. With professionals that have trained for this type of situation and earned the right to do it. Then I'll make my decision on who is guilty of what and who is not. I've said over and over what has been alleged is despicable. If guilty should be shown no mercy. It's in this thread.

But keep on hiding behind that keyboard and thumping your chest. If insinuating other people have the morality of rapists because they don't agree with you and your shattered self esteem and that helps you sleep at night. I'll be your punching bag.

 

[The Joker]

Consent should be obtained before, not after. I’m in health care, if I give someone a pneumothorax by accident and then record them after going “you were good with that right?”…that’s not consent

They made one before and after?

Edit: During and after.

 

[PostBradMalone]

I mean. Isn't that what they were supposed to do? Asking for consent? They were and even recorded it. She clearly stated that she agreed to it? I don't understand why this is considered rape then?

If consent isn't enough anymore, what is?

If you have to make your sexual partner hastily record a video at 4 AM conveying their consent like they are an Al Qaeda kidnap victim, you are probably doing something very wrong and should reconsider your life choices.

 

[PostBradMalone]

Nope.I didn't do that. I said I want to see an actual court trial and testimony from the parties involved.

Except no, you said they were “falsely accused”. Try again.

With professionals that have trained for this type of situation and earned the right to do it. Then I'll make my decision on who is guilty of what and who is not.

Apparently the professionals in this case saw enough in the victim’s story to pay out a not-insignificant sum that required liquidating assets. What do you think about that?

But keep on hiding behind that keyboard and thumping your chest. If insinuating other people have the morality of rapists because they don't agree with you and your shattered self esteem helps you sleep at night I'll be your punching bag.

If you want to grandstand on behalf of several individuals accused of rape, I don’t really know how you expect to be perceived.

 

[Maplebeasts]

I mean. Isn't that what they were supposed to do? Asking for consent? They were and even recorded it. She clearly stated that she agreed to it? I don't understand why this is considered rape then?

If consent isn't enough anymore, what is?

The girl says she was drunk. That immediately means no valid consent could be given even before diving any deeper. Also it is alleged she was crying and wanted to leave the room and was co-erced otherwise. It's likely the players knew what they were doing could get them into trouble and filmed the video to try and cover their asses. If you're the girl and afraid like she was, you are obviously going to do whatever you think is going to get you out of that room safely. If they were so sure that proper consent was given, there would have been no need for the video to be made and HC would have gone to court.

 

[pcruz]

I mean. Isn't that what they were supposed to do? Asking for consent? They were and even recorded it. She clearly stated that she agreed to it? I don't understand why this is considered rape then?

If consent isn't enough anymore, what is?

Depending on her mental capacity at the time, she may not have been able to give consent.

I've been in such a situation before with my now spouse. I thought she was wasted and took her home. She was adamant she was fine, we had a fight.

The next day she didn't remember any of it.

We need to do a better job educating everyone on what is the line never to cross.
And also teach everyone that the instant they are not comfortable, to speak up right away. Give them the tools to do so with confidence and without shame.
Same with dealing with it later, in the event that there is regret or the feeling of coercion, to act quickly and decisively.

Sadly, it doesn't appear that this case had that kind of guidance from the adults in the room.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

It’s so creepy seeing people fighting so hard for the rights of horny teenagers to prey on underage girls

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

They made one before and after?

Edit: During and after.

During is a bit late. This screams to me that they knew this wasn’t quite right and were trying to cover their asses. If you are legitimately looking for consent you’re doing that and clearing it with your partner before 7 guys show up out of the blue. That’s just my opinion of course.

 

[PostBradMalone]

It’s so creepy seeing people fighting so hard for the rights of horny teenagers to prey on underage girls

You know the kinds of people who would do that, right? I’ll give you eight guesses and the first seven don’t count.

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

It’s so creepy seeing people fighting so hard for the rights of horny teenagers to prey on underage girls

I need you to explain this because lmao.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

You know the kinds of people who would do that, right?

None that I care for

 

[Jeune Poulet]

I haven't done anything of the sort. Everyone can read the posts. You're a pathetic human being to suggest I said she was lying. I never once said that you coward. If youre going to make accusations like that quote it and bold it. Calling me a creep as well... You're doing exactly what you've been doing this entire thread stating something as fact without proof. The moral high ground you need to stand on to make yourself feel adequate is truly unbecoming. I have said over and over again the person or people who have allegedly committed these acts need to be punished. I don't however think someone like you who is doing this for self serving purposes should be the one to determine the outcome.

I touched a nerve, didn't I?

You keep on insisting that I have self-serving purpose... what is it? Ya think I'm going to run for office so I've launched a PR campaign with my ridiculous and ironic username? Or I'm going to get donations? Like, what's my angle here?

And if I have an angle, what's your angle? That one is a lot more interesting, I think.

There are professionals that do this for a living.

And back when society at large insisted on "trusting the professionals", nothing was getting done and we had rapists like Polanski roaming free and getting standing ovations.

Things are changing now. There are professionals, yes. But there's also the acknowledgement that many of us, as citizens, find that we can't just rely on a broken system.

Curiously, ever since we've started doing that, things have gotten better and many of the professionals are changing their ways. Several countries are now working on projects to reform/upgrade the system as it pertains to sexual crimes. And this is certainly in part to public outrage by what you would call assholes with a desire to feel morally superior" like the many posters who are speaking up here.

This will be a better world for women and children. Including those in your life.

You're welcome.

 

[The Joker]

Sorry but consent is consent. If you don't agree to it you should say no. She agreed to it and stated so in two videos, one after the incident.

It's certainly gross but this right now is the only real evidence we have and by that, this can't be considered rape. So at least until there is further evidence you should stay away from calling these guys rapists.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

I need you to explain this because lmao.

I don’t care

 

[duul]

Yeah because it makes total sense for players to film them getting consent and showing obvious consciousness of guilt by texting her to make sure she didn't go to the cops if nothing shady happened. This kind of take makes me terrified of ever having a daughter.

It's the same as when girls meet a famous person and sign an NDA. Only the junior hockey version.

 

[pcruz]

It’s so creepy seeing people fighting so hard for the rights of horny teenagers to prey on underage girls

Prey...


Hmm.

Sounds like you have judged the anonymous players' whole lives without a shred of evidence or even knowledge of identity.

Also, if the girl was underage, this would have been a major criminal case.
Was she underage?

 

[Schooner Guy]

Until someone is convicted, all we have are alleged accusations that didn't even merit the victim or her lawyers going to court in order to have the truth come out - or at least names.

Do you really think Hockey Canada paid the female a huge hush settlement and tried to hide this just because they were feeling the Christmas spirit generosity in May?

If this is legitimate, anyone reading this who still considers the players to be evil rapists needs to be blocked from posting.

As with EVERY SINGLE case of this I've personally seen growing up, it always comes down to a parent finding out their daughter got banged out by the hockey team and they're trying to save face by calling the police and convincing their daughter to not shame their entire lineage.

EVERY SINGLE female should be afraid to be anywhere alone with you.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

Prey...


Hmm.

Sounds like you have judged the anonymous players' whole lives without a shred of evidence or even knowledge of identity.

Also, if the girl was underage, this would have been a major criminal case.
Was she underage?

Blah blah blah blah blah

 

[PostBradMalone]

Sorry but consent is consent.

I’m going to stop you right here: no. Go read a book or something.

 

[duul]

Do you really think Hockey Canada paid the female a huge hush settlement and tried to hide this just because they were feeling the Christmas spirit generosity in May?


EVERY SINGLE female should be afraid to be anywhere alone with you.

I will let them know.

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

I don’t care

Remember that girl/boy you had a crush on in highschool? (They were underaged)

 

[snowkiddin]

During is a bit late. This screams to me that they knew this wasn’t quite right and were trying to cover their asses. If you are legitimately looking for consent you’re doing that and clearing it with your partner before 7 guys show up out of the blue. That’s just my opinion of course.

Yeah, generally I’m trying to not comment on this very much until we have more facts present but for me I can’t take the video any other way than how you describe here. Has anyone heard of someone making a video saying they consented after consensual sex?

 

[Maplebeasts]

Sorry but consent is consent. If you don't agree to it you should say no. She agreed to it and stated so in two videos, one after the incident.

It's certainly gross but this right now is the only real evidence we have and by that, this can't be considered rape. So at least until there is further evidence you should stay away from calling these guys rapists.

It's common knowledge in Canada that consent can not be given when intoxicated. Period. The film showing her consenting is completely irrelevant.