Canadian Government Freezing Hockey Canada Funding- (2018 Canada World Jr Team Alleged Sexual Assault)

[4thline]

For the record, the settlement between HC and the complainant doesn't shield in any way the perpetrators from police investigation and, eventually, criminal proceedings.

And I'm guessing similarly the Henein Hutchison report would not be protected by attorney/client privilege.

 

[MXD]

And I'm guessing similarly the Henein Hutchison report would not be protected by attorney/client privilege.

HC can waive the privilege in any case and they should probably be strong armed in doing so.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Dallas's only link to that WJC team (Colton Point) was not tendered a QO, so they won't see any blowback - I don't think they will, anyway.

I find it interesting that 6 players from that team weren't tendered an RFA offer, including some players that were kind of head scratchers (don't cost anything, not in line for a big arb award, types of guys that 9 out of 10 times would be qualified).

Did teams just internally say to themselves, who do we have from that team and pre-emptively try to get rid of anyone from it. Do they know something? Are their rumors floating around in NHL circles about who was involved.

 

[Silky Johnson]

Yup. Not only do people at Hockey Canada know the names of these rapists but they have most probably been in contact with them, their agents and their legal representatives, who were probably directly involved in negociating the settlement and have no doubt given "generous donations" to hockey canada.

Well that's just slanderous.

 

[Spirits]

The woman has not provided that information and even Hockey Canada says they have no knowledge who the 8 are.

Or if it even happened in the first place as she tells it?

 

[Silky Johnson]

Hockey Canada did the right thing when they INVOLVED THE POLICE. The police decided not make an arrest. That's on them.

Victim (alledged) decided to seek compensation in a civil agreement.

Under Canadian law the Crown has the decision on if charges are laid. The NDA for the players or the aledged victim would not stand in criminal court. If there was a criminal case to be made then they would/should have done so. If they didn't for bad reasons that is on the Crown and not HC.

Hockey Canada paid out the plaintif in a potentially ugly civil case with very likely no admission of guilt by anyone. Then all parties agreed to to an NDA.

It's not Hockey Canada's role to judge the player guilt or not. Their actions are completely ethical from everything I have read so far.

Criminal cases mostly are handled by the provincial governments with the federal government in charge of the criminal code, oversight and misconduct. Interesting that they are the ones grandstanding now...

Edit. Fixed the statement regarding federal jurisdiction.

 

[MXD]

Hockey Canada did the right thing when they INVOLVED THE POLICE. The police decided not make an arrest. That's on them.

Victim (alledged) decided to seek compensation in a civil agreement.

Under Canadian law the Crown has the decision on if charges are laid. The NDA for the players or the aledged victim would not stand in criminal court. If there was a criminal case to be made then they would/should have done so. If they didn't for bad reasons that is on the Crown and not HC.

Hockey Canada paid out the plaintif in a potentially ugly civil case with very likely no admission of guilt by anyone. Then all parties agreed to to an NDA.

It's not Hockey Canada's role to judge the player guilt or not. Their actions are completely ethical from everything I have read so far.

Criminal cases are handled by the federal government. Interesting that they are the ones grandstanding now...

The police obviously didn't have enough info after the investigation to proceed, since the victim didn't collaborate. The victim could decide to collaborate tomorrow morning if she wants.

Also, most criminal cases are not handled by the federal government, and that one was almost certainly not. (That's the TLDR version)

 

[Voight]

Will these guys get cancelled if found guilty?


My question is, not if but WHEN the names of the 8 alleged assailants get named and if they are found guilty, how big will the punishment be.

Suspension from NHL? Contract void?

Can Criminal charges still be laid or is there a statute of limitation and does the settlement prevent any charges from being laid?

There has been a MASSIVE outcry from the public regarding this situation and Government is now involved by taking away funding as well as Sponsorships have pulled their affiliation with Hockey Canada.

So you can be sure the HAMMER is about to come down on these 8 players.

There are some big name players too on this list that fits the criteria of 2018 CHL Player/WJC Team Canada Members:

Robert Thomas
Jordan Kyrou
Drake Batherson
Dillon Dube
Jake Bean
Cal Foote
Carter Hart
Maxime Comtois
Alex Formenton
Sam Steele
Brett Howden
Michael Mcleod
Tyler Steenbergen
Taylor Raddysh
Boris Katchouk
Jonah Gadjovich
Cale Clague

That might be pushing it.

Not even sure the NHL would have the authority to suspend if this happened before the players were even in the league.

 

[TeddyBare]

some big name players

 

[MXD]

That might be pushing it.

Not even sure the NHL would have the authority to suspend if this happened before the players were even in the league.

I'm pretty sure the league can suspend whichever player it wants to suspend and usually doesn't use that power because it wouldn't look good.

But now it probably would.

 

[Cas]

That might be pushing it.

Not even sure the NHL would have the authority to suspend if this happened before the players were even in the league.

Of course the NHL has the authority. They ultimately determine the eligibility of everyone who hopes to play in their league.

 

[Silky Johnson]

The police obviously didn't have enough info after the investigation to proceed, since the victim didn't collaborate. The victim could decide to collaborate tomorrow morning if she wants.

Also, most criminal cases are not handled by the federal government, and that one was almost certainly not. (That's the TLDR version)

My mistake. Criminal code in Canada is federal. Most criminal prosecutions are Provincial, but the federal government is responsible for oversight and misconduct.

 

[hockey20000]

would just be ottawa luck finally have good off season and drake and alex are involved among the 8 players.. and we be forced to release em from contracts -.-

 

[Silky Johnson]

The police obviously didn't have enough info after the investigation to proceed, since the victim didn't collaborate. The victim could decide to collaborate tomorrow morning if she wants.

Also, most criminal cases are not handled by the federal government, and that one was almost certainly not. (That's the TLDR version)

That is your (likely) assumption regarding why they didn't make an arrest. The situation is tricky to judge without details.

My point is that the authorities were involved at the right time. We really don't and shouldn't know much else.

There is no statue of limitations in Canada so if the alledged victim wanted to she could name names with the crown/police anytime she wants.

 

[MXD]

That is your (likely) assumption regarding why they didn't make an arrest.

It's also super obvious, considering the alleged act is an 8-on-1 affair. If the 8 are unknown and the 1 doesn't collaborate, bam, no evidence unless they were videotaped by the very instutition in which they were staying.

 

[Idionym]

would just be ottawa luck finally have good off season and drake and alex are involved among the 8 players.. and we be forced to release em from contracts -.-

Really focusing on the important things.

 

[Voight]

I'm pretty sure the league can suspend whichever player it wants to suspend and usually doesn't use that power because it wouldn't look good.

But now it probably would.

Of course the NHL has the authority. They ultimately determine the eligibility of everyone who hopes to play in their league.

I suppose so, just seems like the NHLPA would fit it on the grounds that the players weren't contracted/playing for NHL clubs at the time.

As for the investigation, wonder if they were dumb enough to take pictures or text eachother about it afterwards. Cause then its hook line & sinker.

 

[Buck Naked]

The police obviously didn't have enough info after the investigation to proceed, since the victim didn't collaborate. The victim could decide to collaborate tomorrow morning if she wants.

Also, most criminal cases are not handled by the federal government, and that one was almost certainly not. (That's the TLDR version)

 

[99ovr]

Do people actually think if for example high-end players like Cale Makar or Drake Batherson were deemed to be involved they would be blacklisted from hockey.

 

[ClasslessGuy]

I find it funny when TC say no public money went to pay for the settlement... so they use sponsors money instead?

 

[MXD]

Do people actually think if for example high-end players like Cale Makar or Drake Batherson were deemed to be involved they would be blacklisted from hockey.

Well, Makar has a rock-solid alibi as far as I know.

I don't think the league would have any other choice but to suspend any player that has been arrested and/or charged following the investigation.

 

[Pink Mist]

Do people actually think if for example high-end players like Cale Makar or Drake Batherson were deemed to be involved they would be blacklisted from hockey.

If they were found to be involved being blacklisted from hockey may be the least of their worries as criminal proceedings could possibly follow

 

[Uncle Rotter]

So they are using the same law firm as the one they used in 2018 to investigate this incident again? The same law firm that has build their name and reputation on defending sexual predators like Ghomeshi, Frost, and Regan.
How impartial will the investigation be again.
How is doing the same thing as before going to change the results?

Maybe they should ask the politicians which law firms they use in these circumstances.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Hope they all rot in a jail cell (nothing will happen)

 

[MXD]

Maybe they should ask the politicians which law firms they use in these circumstances.

Well, that's neither here or there, but Patrick Brown is using the same as we speak.